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On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 2:32 PM, ZhiQiang Fan <aji.zqfan at gmail.com> wrote:

> @Stefano Maffulli
>
> Yes, the main point is the conflict of reserved all, and abandon some
> (actually most).
>
> According to the order the last will take effect IIUC Monty Taylor's
> explaination.
>
> I'm thinking that we should remove the "all rights reserved" words if
> we're using Apache license.
> Misleading is not a good thing, especially when it is for legal issue.
>

While misleading at first glance, lets just better document the question in
one place (the wiki?) instead of investing time in changing this everywhere
in every repository.


>
> On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 6:53 AM, Stefano Maffulli <stefano at openstack.org>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 2015-01-17 at 16:07 -0500, Monty Taylor wrote:
>> > It's actually a set of words that is no longer necessary as of the year
>> > 2000. It's not communicating anything about a granted license, which is
>> > what the Apache License does - it's actually just asserting that the
>> > original copyright holder asserts that they have not waived any of their
>> > rights as a copyright holder. However, the Berne convention grants this
>> > automatically without a positive assertion.
>>
>> I think ZhiQiang Fan's question is about the sentence "all rights
>> reserved" followed by the implicit "some rights not reserved" granted by
>> the Apache license, rather than the meaning of 'all rights reserved'
>> alone. You're right that such sentence by itself is meaningless but in
>> the context of the Apache license I think it's confusing at best,
>> probably wrong.
>>
>> I don't remember seeing this case discussed on legal-discuss and I'm
>> quite sure that the right way to apply the Apache license to source code
>> is *not* by saying "(C) `date +%Y` Foo Corp, All Rights Reserved"
>> followed by Apache license (see appendix on
>> http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0)
>>
>> Maybe a passage on legal-discuss would be better?
>>
>> /stef
>>
>>
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