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Vladimir,

What Andrew is saying is we should copy some specific keys to some
specific roles, and it's easy to do even now, just create several role
specific
tasks and copy required keys.
Deployment engineer who knows which keys are required for which roles
can do that.

What you are saying is we should have some way to restrict task from
getting information it wants, it is separate huge topic, because it requires
to create polices which plugin developer should describe to get access to
the data, as it's done for iOS/Android, also it's not so easy to do
sandboxing
when task can execute any shell command on any node.

Thanks,

On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Vladimir Kuklin <vkuklin at mirantis.com>
wrote:

> Andrew
>
> +1 to it - I provided these concerns to guys that we should not ship data
> to tasks that do not need it. It will make us able to increase security for
> pluggable architecture
>
> On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 9:57 PM, Andrew Woodward <xarses at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Cool, You guys read my mind o.O
>>
>> RE: the review. We need to avoid copying the secrets to nodes that don't
>> require them. I think it might be too soon to be able to make granular
>> tasks based for this, but we need to move that way.
>>
>> Also, how are the astute tasks read into the environment? Same as with
>> the others?
>>
>>> fuel rel --sync-deployment-tasks
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 7:32 AM, Evgeniy L <eli at mirantis.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Andrew,
>>>
>>> It looks like what you've described is already done for ssh keys [1].
>>>
>>> [1] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149543/
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 6:12 PM, Vladimir Kuklin <vkuklin at mirantis.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> +1 to Andrew
>>>>
>>>> This is actually what we want to do with SSL keys.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 3:26 AM, Andrew Woodward <xarses at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We need to be highly security conscious here doing this in an insecure
>>>>> manner is a HUGE risk so rsync over ssh from the master node is usually (or
>>>>> scp) OK but rsync protocol from the node in the cluster will not be BAD (it
>>>>> leaves the certs exposed on an weak service.)
>>>>>
>>>>> I could see this being implemented as some additional task type that
>>>>> can instead be run on the fuel master nodes instead of a target node. This
>>>>> could also be useful for plugin writers that may need to access some
>>>>> external API as part of their task graph. We'd need some way to make the
>>>>> generate task run once for the env, vs the push certs which runs for each
>>>>> role that has a cert requirement.
>>>>>
>>>>> we'd end up with some like
>>>>> generate_certs:
>>>>>   runs_from: master_once
>>>>>   provider: <whatever>
>>>>> push_certs:
>>>>>   runs_from: master
>>>>>   provider: bash
>>>>>   role: [*]
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Vladimir Kuklin <vkuklin at mirantis.com
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Evgeniy,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am not suggesting to go to Nailgun DB directly. There obviously
>>>>>> should be some layer between a serializier and DB.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 9:07 PM, Evgeniy L <eli at mirantis.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vladimir,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >> 1) Nailgun DB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just a small note, we should not provide access to the database,
>>>>>>> this approach
>>>>>>> has serious issues, what we can do is to provide this information
>>>>>>> for example
>>>>>>> via REST API.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What you are saying is already implemented in any deployment tool
>>>>>>> for example
>>>>>>> lets take a look at Ansible [1].
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What you can do there is to create a task which stores the result of
>>>>>>> executed
>>>>>>> shell command in some variable.
>>>>>>> And you can reuse it in any other task. I think we should use this
>>>>>>> approach.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>> http://docs.ansible.com/playbooks_variables.html#registered-variables
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 2:47 PM, Vladimir Kuklin <
>>>>>>> vkuklin at mirantis.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Evgeniy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is not about layers - it is about how we get data. And we need
>>>>>>>> to separate data sources from the way we manipulate it. Thus, sources may
>>>>>>>> be: 1) Nailgun DB 2) Users inventory system 3) Opendata like, list of
>>>>>>>> Google DNS Servers. Then all this data is aggregated and transformed
>>>>>>>> somehow. After that it is shipped to the deployment layer. That's how I see
>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 2:18 PM, Evgeniy L <eli at mirantis.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Vladimir,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's no clear how it's going to help. You can generate keys with
>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>> tasks and then upload them with another task, why do we need
>>>>>>>>> another layer/entity here?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Vladimir Kuklin <
>>>>>>>>> vkuklin at mirantis.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dmitry, Evgeniy
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This is exactly what I was talking about when I mentioned
>>>>>>>>>> serializers for tasks - taking data from 3rd party sources if user wants.
>>>>>>>>>> In this case user will be able to generate some data somewhere and fetch it
>>>>>>>>>> using this code that we import.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 12:08 AM, Dmitriy Shulyak <
>>>>>>>>>> dshulyak at mirantis.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you guys for quick response.
>>>>>>>>>>> Than, if there is no better option we will follow with second
>>>>>>>>>>> approach.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 7:08 PM, Evgeniy L <eli at mirantis.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Dmitry,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure if we should user approach when task executor reads
>>>>>>>>>>>> some data from the file system, ideally Nailgun should push
>>>>>>>>>>>> all of the required data to Astute.
>>>>>>>>>>>> But it can be tricky to implement, so I vote for 2nd approach.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 7:08 PM, Aleksandr Didenko <
>>>>>>>>>>>> adidenko at mirantis.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3rd option is about using rsyncd that we run under xinetd on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> primary controller. And yes, the main concern here is security.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 6:04 PM, Stanislaw Bogatkin <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sbogatkin at mirantis.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm vote for second option, cause if we will want to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement some unified hierarchy (like Fuel as CA for keys on controllers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for different env's) then it will fit better than other options. If we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement 3rd option then we will reinvent the wheel with SSL in future.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bare rsync as storage for private keys sounds pretty uncomfortable for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 6:44 PM, Dmitriy Shulyak <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dshulyak at mirantis.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I want to discuss the way we are working with generated keys
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for nova/ceph/mongo and something else.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right now we are generating keys on master itself, and then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> distributing them by mcollective
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transport to all nodes. As you may know we are in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process of making this process described as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> task.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is a couple of options:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Expose keys in rsync server on master, in folder
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /etc/fuel/keys, and then copy them with rsync task (but it feels not very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> secure)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Copy keys from /etc/fuel/keys on master, to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /var/lib/astute on target nodes. It will require additional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hook in astute, smth like copy_file, which will copy data
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from file on master and put it on the node.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also there is 3rd option to generate keys right on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> primary-controller and then distribute them on all other nodes, and i guess
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it will be responsibility of controller to store current keys that are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> valid for cluster. Alex please provide more details about 3rd approach.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe there is more options?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Yours Faithfully,
>>>>>>>>>> Vladimir Kuklin,
>>>>>>>>>> Fuel Library Tech Lead,
>>>>>>>>>> Mirantis, Inc.
>>>>>>>>>> +7 (495) 640-49-04
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>>>>>>>> Vladimir Kuklin,
>>>>>>>> Fuel Library Tech Lead,
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>>>>>> Vladimir Kuklin,
>>>>>> Fuel Library Tech Lead,
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