Open Stack

On 11/02/15 09:37 -0800, Clint Byrum wrote:
>Excerpts from Stefano Maffulli's message of 2015-02-11 06:14:39 -0800:
>> On Wed, 2015-02-11 at 10:55 +0100, Flavio Percoco wrote:
>> > This email is dedicated to the openness of our community/project.
>>
>> It's good to have a reminder every now and then. Thank you Flavio for
>> caring enough to notice bad patterns and for raising a flag.
>>
>> > ## Keep discussions open
>> >
>> > I don't believe there's anything wrong about kicking off some
>> > discussions in private channels about specs/bugs. I don't believe
>> > there's anything wrong in having calls to speed up some discussions.
>> > HOWEVER, I believe it's *completely* wrong to consider those private
>> > discussions sufficient.
>> [...]
>>
>> Well said. Conversations can happen anywhere and any time, but they
>> should stay in open and accessible channels. Consensus needs to be built
>> and decisions need to be shared, agreed upon by the community at large
>> (and mailing lists are the most accessible media we have).
>>
>> That said, it's is very hard to generalize and I'd rather deal/solve
>> specific examples. Sometimes, I'm sure there are episodes when a fast
>> decision was needed and a limited amount of people had to carry the
>> burden of responsibility. Life is hard, software development is hard and
>> general rules sometimes need to be adapted to the reality. Again, too
>> much generalization here for what I'm confortable with.
>>
>> Maybe it's worth repeating that I'm personally (and in my role)
>> available to listen and mediate in cases when communication seems to
>> happen behind closed doors. If you think something unhealthy is
>> happening, talk to me (confidentiality assured).
>>
>> > ## Mailing List vs IRC Channel
>> >
>> > I get it, our mailing list is freaking busy, keeping up with it is
>> > hard and time consuming and that leads to lots of IRC discussions.
>>
>> Not sure I agree with the causality but, the facts are those: traffic on
>> the list and on IRC is very high (although not increasing anymore
>> [1][2]).
>>
>> >  I
>> > don't think there's anything wrong with that but I believe it's wrong
>> > to expect *EVERYONE* to be in the IRC channel when those discussions
>> > happen.
>>
>> Email is hard, I have the feeling that the vast majority of people use
>> bad (they all suck, no joke) email clients. Lots and lots of email is
>> even worse. Most contributors commit very few patches: the investment
>> for them to configure their MUA to filter our traffic is too high.
>>
>> I have added more topics today to the openstack-dev list[3]. Maybe,
>> besides filtering on the receiving end, we may spend some time
>> explaining how to use mailman topics? I'll draft something on Ask, it
>> may help those that have limited interest in OpenStack.
>>
>> What else can we do to make things better?
>>
>
>I am one of those people who has a highly optimized MUA for mailing list
>reading. It is still hard. Even with one keypress to kill threads from
>view forever, and full text index searching, I still find it takes me
>an hour just to filter the "don't want to see" from the "want to see"
>threads each day.
>
>The filtering on the list-server side I think is not known by everybody,
>and it might be a good idea to socialize it even more, and maybe even
>invest in making the UI for it really straight forward for people to
>use.
>
>That said, even if you just choose [all], and [yourproject], some
>[yourproject] tags are pretty busy.

Would it be helpful if we share our email clients configs so that
others can use them? I guess we could have a section for this in the
wiki page.

I'm sure each one of us has his/her own server-side filters so, I
guess we could start with those.

Cheers,
Flavio

-- 
@flaper87
Flavio Percoco
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