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I think the simple answer is "yes". We (keystone) should emit notifications. And yes other projects should listen. 

The only thing really in discussion should be:

1: soft delete or hard delete? Does the service mark it as orphaned, or just delete (leave this to nova, cinder, etc to discuss)

2: how to cleanup when an event is missed (e.g rabbit bus goes out to lunch). 

--Morgan 

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> On Feb 2, 2015, at 10:16, Matthew Treinish <mtreinish at kortar.org> wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, Feb 02, 2015 at 11:46:53AM -0600, Matt Riedemann wrote:
>> This came up in the operators mailing list back in June [1] but given the
>> subject probably didn't get much attention.
>> 
>> Basically there is a really old bug [2] from Grizzly that is still a problem
>> and affects multiple projects.  A tenant can be deleted in Keystone even
>> though other resources in other projects are under that project, and those
>> resources aren't cleaned up.
> 
> I agree this probably can be a major pain point for users. We've had to work around it
> in tempest by creating things like:
> 
> http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/tempest/tree/tempest/cmd/cleanup_service.py
> and
> http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/tempest/tree/tempest/cmd/cleanup.py
> 
> to ensure we aren't dangling resources after a run. But, this doesn't work in
> all cases either. (like with tenant isolation enabled)
> 
> I also know there is a stackforge project that is attempting something similar
> here:
> 
> http://git.openstack.org/cgit/stackforge/ospurge/
> 
> It would be much nicer if the burden for doing this was taken off users and this
> was just handled cleanly under the covers.
> 
>> 
>> Keystone implemented event notifications back in Havana [3] but the other
>> projects aren't listening on them to know when a project has been deleted
>> and act accordingly.
>> 
>> The bug has several people saying "we should talk about this at the summit"
>> for several summits, but I can't find any discussion or summit sessions
>> related back to the bug.
>> 
>> Given this is an operations and cross-project issue, I'd like to bring it up
>> again for the Vancouver summit if there is still interest (which I'm
>> assuming there is from operators).
> 
> I'd definitely support having a cross-project session on this.
> 
>> 
>> There is a blueprint specifically for the tenant deletion case but it's
>> targeted at only Horizon [4].
>> 
>> Is anyone still working on this? Is there sufficient interest in a
>> cross-project session at the L summit?
>> 
>> Thinking out loud, even if nova doesn't listen to events from keystone, we
>> could at least have a periodic task that looks for instances where the
>> tenant no longer exists in keystone and then take some action (log a
>> warning, shutdown/archive/, reap, etc).
>> 
>> There is also a spec for L to transfer instance ownership [5] which could
>> maybe come into play, but I wouldn't depend on it.
>> 
>> [1] http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2014-June/004559.html
>> [2] https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/967832
>> [3] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/notifications
>> [4] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/tenant-deletion
>> [5] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105367/
> 
> -Matt Treinish
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