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I'm a bit confused as to the role of Themes today. If they emerge as a result of Project plans, then it seems like documentation, not trying to provide input to set priorities/directions for Projects.

Doug: Can you clarify this for me?

My interest is to provide input to Project planning, and agree with Thierry,a discussion these ahead of the design summit activities would be valuable to this end.

Thanks
Carol

-----Original Message-----
From: Thierry Carrez [mailto:thierry at openstack.org] 
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 4:52 AM
To: openstack-dev at lists.openstack.org
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [all] summarizing the cross-project summit session on Mitaka themes

Doug Hellmann wrote:
> One thing I forgot to mention in my original email was the discussion 
> about when we would have this themes conversation for the N cycle.
> I had originally hoped we would discuss the themes online before the 
> summit, and that those would inform decisions about summit sessions. 
> Several other folks in the room made the point that we were unlikely 
> to come up with a theme so surprising that we would add or drop a 
> summit session from any existing planning, so having the discussion in 
> person at the summit to add background to the other sessions for the 
> week was more constructive.

So I was stuck in Design Summit 101 during this session and couldn't attend. Saying that discussing common themes before summit planning is unlikely to change design summit session contents strikes me as odd.
That's equivalent to saying that the right themes are picked anyway.
That may be the case for some projects, but certainly not the case for all projects, otherwise we wouldn't be having that discussion to begin with...

Personally I think we need to have the cycle themes discussion before the design summit so that it can really influence what gets discussed there and ends up in real action items. Adding background at the last minute to already-decided session topics is just not enough to trigger real progress in those key areas.

Why can't we have that discussion on the ML in the second half of the cycle, between the midcycle sprints and the summit planning ?

--
Thierry Carrez (ttx)

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