Open Stack

On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Doug Hellmann <doug at doughellmann.com> wrote:
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> On Sep 22, 2014, at 5:10 PM, Devananda van der Veen <devananda.vdv at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> One of the primary effects of integration, as far as the release
>> process is concerned, is being allowed to co-gate with other
>> integrated projects, and having those projects accept your changes
>> (integrate back with the other project). That shouldn't be a TC
>
> The point of integration is to add the projects to the integrated *release*, not just the gate, because the release is the thing we have said is OpenStack. Integration was about our overall project identity and governance. The testing was a requirement to be accepted, not a goal.

We have plenty of things which are clearly part of OpenStack, and yet
which are not part of the Integrated Release. Oslo. Devstack. Zuul...
As far as I can tell, the only time when "integrated release" equals
"the thing we say is OpenStack" is when we're talking about the
trademark.

> Integration was about our overall project identity and governance. The testing was a requirement to be accepted, not a goal.

Project identity and governance are presently addressed by the
creation of "Programs" and a fully-elected TC.  Integration is not
addressing these things at all, as far as I can tell, though I agree
that it was initially intended to.

> If there is no incubation process, and only a fixed list of projects will be in that new layer 1 group, then do contributors to the other projects have ATC status and vote for the TC? What is the basis for the TC accepting any responsibility for the project, and for the project agreeing to the TC’s leadership?

I think a good basis for this is simply whether the developers of the
project are part of our community, doing things in the way that we do
things, and want this to happen. Voting and ATC status is already
decoupled [0] from the integrated gate and the integrated release --
it's based on the accepted list of Programs [1], which actually has
nothing to do with incubation or integration [2].


-Devananda

[0] http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/governance/tree/reference/charter.rst#n132

[1] http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/governance/tree/reference/programs.yaml

[2] http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/governance/tree/reference/new-programs-requirements.rst