Open Stack

On Sep 22, 2014, at 3:11 PM, Tim Bell <Tim.Bell at cern.ch> wrote:

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> On 22 Sep 2014, at 20:53, Doug Hellmann <doug at doughellmann.com> wrote:
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>> On Sep 19, 2014, at 6:29 AM, Thierry Carrez <thierry at openstack.org> wrote:
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>>> Monty Taylor wrote:
>>>> I've recently been thinking a lot about Sean's Layers stuff. So I wrote
>>>> a blog post which Jim Blair and Devananda were kind enough to help me edit.
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>>>> http://inaugust.com/post/108
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>>> Hey Monty,
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>>> As you can imagine, I read that post with great attention. I generally
>>> like the concept of a tightly integrated, limited-by-design layer #1
>>> (I'd personally call it "Ring 0") and a large collection of "OpenStack"
>>> things gravitating around it. That would at least solve the attraction
>>> of the integrated release, suppress the need for incubation, foster
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>> I’m not sure I see this change reducing the number of incubated projects unless we no longer incubate and graduate projects at all. Would everything just live on stackforge and have a quality designation instead of an “officialness” designation? Or would we have both? ATC status seems to imply we need some sort of officialness designation, as you mention below.
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> The quality designation is really important for the operator community who are trying to work out what we can give to our end users.
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> Offering early helps to establish the real-life experience and give good feedback on the designs.  However, the operator then risks leaving their users orphaned if the project does not get a sustainable following or significant disruption if the APIs change.
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> The packaging teams are key here as well. When do Ubuntu and Red Hat work out the chain of pre-reqs etc. to produce installable packages, packstack/juju tool support ?
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> We do need to have some way to show that an layer #2 package is ready for prime time production and associated criteria (packages available, docs available, >1 company communities, models for HA and scale, …)


Right. I’m trying to understand if we are talking about doing that *instead* of our existing incubation/graduation process, or in addition to that process as a new thing. I like the idea of adding a quality designation. I’m not sure replacing our existing process with that designation is a good idea.

Doug

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