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A bit late reply.

As one of translators, I can say wrong strings are worse.
"String Freeze" is a soft freeze and it just declares we don't make big change
mainly due to feature additions. It does not necessarily prevent fixes
including string changes.

In Horizon case, after starting translations not a small number of
bugs on *strings* itself are found
and several number of strings fixes are on-going, and as far as I
remember in Horizon reviews,
over 100 strings was added from FFE blueprints and over 50 strings
have been fixed or changes
from bug fixes. It is same as what happened in the past releases.
What I would like to mention is that most of such changes are done in
early RC1 phase.

Note that a small number of string changes of error messages would not
be a problem
if the context of strings are clear (from translators perspective).

Thanks,
Akihiro


On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 11:36 PM, Thierry Carrez <thierry at openstack.org> wrote:
> In that precise case, given how early it is in the freeze, I think
> giving a quick heads-up to the -i18n team/list should be enough :) Also
> /adding/ a string is not as disruptive to their work as modifying a
> potentially-already-translated one.
>
> Joe Cropper wrote:
>> +1 to what Jay said.
>>
>> I’m not sure whether the string freeze applies to bugs, but the defect
>> that Matt mentioned (for which I authored the fix) adds a string, albeit
>> to fix a bug.  Hoping it’s more desirable to have an untranslated
>> correct message than a translated incorrect message.  :-)
>>
>> - Joe
>> On Sep 5, 2014, at 3:41 PM, Jay Bryant <jsbryant at electronicjungle.net
>> <mailto:jsbryant at electronicjungle.net>> wrote:
>>
>>> Matt,
>>>
>>> I don't think that is the right solution.
>>>
>>> If the string changes I think the only problem is it won't be
>>> translated if it is thrown.   That is better than breaking the coding
>>> standard imho.
>>>
>>> Jay
>>>
>>> On Sep 5, 2014 3:30 PM, "Matt Riedemann" <mriedem at linux.vnet.ibm.com
>>> <mailto:mriedem at linux.vnet.ibm.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     On 9/5/2014 5:10 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote:
>>>
>>>         Hi everyone,
>>>
>>>         We just hit feature freeze[1], so please do not approve
>>>         changes that add
>>>         features or new configuration options unless those have been
>>>         granted a
>>>         feature freeze exception.
>>>
>>>         This is also string freeze[2], so you should avoid changing
>>>         translatable
>>>         strings. If you have to modify a translatable string, you
>>>         should give a
>>>         heads-up to the I18N team.
>>>
>>>         Finally, this is also DepFreeze[3], so you should avoid adding new
>>>         dependencies (bumping oslo or openstack client libraries is OK
>>>         until
>>>         RC1). If you have a new dependency to add, raise a thread on
>>>         openstack-dev about it.
>>>
>>>         The juno-3 development milestone was tagged, it contains more
>>>         than 135
>>>         features and 760 bugfixes added since the juno-2 milestone 6
>>>         weeks ago
>>>         (not even counting the Oslo libraries in the mix). You can
>>>         find the full
>>>         list of new features and fixed bugs, as well as tarball
>>>         downloads, at:
>>>
>>>         https://launchpad.net/__keystone/juno/juno-3
>>>         <https://launchpad.net/keystone/juno/juno-3>
>>>         https://launchpad.net/glance/__juno/juno-3
>>>         <https://launchpad.net/glance/juno/juno-3>
>>>         https://launchpad.net/nova/__juno/juno-3
>>>         <https://launchpad.net/nova/juno/juno-3>
>>>         https://launchpad.net/horizon/__juno/juno-3
>>>         <https://launchpad.net/horizon/juno/juno-3>
>>>         https://launchpad.net/neutron/__juno/juno-3
>>>         <https://launchpad.net/neutron/juno/juno-3>
>>>         https://launchpad.net/cinder/__juno/juno-3
>>>         <https://launchpad.net/cinder/juno/juno-3>
>>>         https://launchpad.net/__ceilometer/juno/juno-3
>>>         <https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/juno/juno-3>
>>>         https://launchpad.net/heat/__juno/juno-3
>>>         <https://launchpad.net/heat/juno/juno-3>
>>>         https://launchpad.net/trove/__juno/juno-3
>>>         <https://launchpad.net/trove/juno/juno-3>
>>>         https://launchpad.net/sahara/__juno/juno-3
>>>         <https://launchpad.net/sahara/juno/juno-3>
>>>
>>>         Many thanks to all the PTLs and release management liaisons
>>>         who made us
>>>         reach this important milestone in the Juno development cycle.
>>>         Thanks in
>>>         particular to John Garbutt, who keeps on doing an amazing job
>>>         at the
>>>         impossible task of keeping the Nova ship straight in troubled
>>>         waters
>>>         while we head toward the Juno release port.
>>>
>>>         Regards,
>>>
>>>         [1] https://wiki.openstack.org/__wiki/FeatureFreeze
>>>         <https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/FeatureFreeze>
>>>         [2] https://wiki.openstack.org/__wiki/StringFreeze
>>>         <https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StringFreeze>
>>>         [3] https://wiki.openstack.org/__wiki/DepFreeze
>>>         <https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/DepFreeze>
>>>
>>>
>>>     I should probably know this, but at least I'm asking first. :)
>>>
>>>     Here is an example of a new translatable user-facing error message
>>>     [1].
>>>
>>>     From the StringFreeze wiki, I'm not sure if this is small or large.
>>>
>>>     Would a compromise to get this in be to drop the _() so it's just
>>>     a string and not a message?
>>>
>>>     Maybe I should just shut-up and email the openstack-i18n mailing
>>>     list [2].
>>>
>>>     [1] https://review.openstack.org/#__/c/118535/
>>>     <https://review.openstack.org/#/c/118535/>
>>>     [2]
>>>     http://lists.openstack.org/__cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/__openstack-i18n
>>>     <http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-i18n>
>>>
>>>     --
>>>
>>>     Thanks,
>>>
>>>     Matt Riedemann
>>>
>>>
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