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On Oct 3, 2014, at 9:25 AM, Anne Gentle <anne at openstack.org> wrote:

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> On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 8:07 AM, Doug Hellmann <doug at doughellmann.com> wrote:
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> On Oct 3, 2014, at 12:46 AM, Joe Gordon <joe.gordon0 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Devananda van der Veen <devananda.vdv at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Doug Hellmann <doug at doughellmann.com> wrote:
>> > As promised at this week’s TC meeting, I have applied the various blog posts and mailing list threads related to changing our governance model to a series of patches against the openstack/governance repository [1].
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>> > I have tried to include all of the inputs, as well as my own opinions, and look at how each proposal needs to be reflected in our current policies so we do not drop commitments we want to retain along with the processes we are shedding [2].
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>> > I am sure we need more discussion, so I have staged the changes as a series rather than one big patch. Please consider the patches together when commenting. There are many related changes, and some incremental steps won’t make sense without the changes that come after (hey, just like code!).
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>> > Doug
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>> > [1] https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/governance+branch:master+topic:big-tent,n,z
>> > [2] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/big-tent-notes
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>> I've summed up a lot of my current thinking on this etherpad as well
>> (I should really blog, but hey ...)
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>> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/in-pursuit-of-a-new-taxonomy
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>> After seeing Jay's idea of making a yaml file modeling things and talking to devananda about this I went ahead and tried to graph the relationships out.
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>> repo: https://github.com/jogo/graphing-openstack
>> preliminary YAML file: https://github.com/jogo/graphing-openstack/blob/master/openstack.yaml
>> sample graph: http://i.imgur.com/LwlkE73.png
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>> It turns out its really hard to figure out what the relationships are without digging deep into the code for each project, so I am sure I got a few things wrong (along with missing a lot of projects).
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> The relationships are very important for setting up an optimal gate structure. I’m less convinced they are important for setting up the governance structure, and I do not think we want a specific gate configuration embedded in the governance structure at all. That’s why I’ve tried to describe general relationships (“optional inter-project dependences” vs. “strict co-dependent project groups” [1]) up until the very last patch in the series [2], which redefines the integrated release in terms of those other relationships and a base set of projects.
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> I'm reading and reading and reading and my thoughts keep returning to, "we're optimizing only for dev." :)

Yes, that’s a gap in what has been proposed. There is some discussion about addressing cross-project teams more fully on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125789/ and I agree we need to be more explicit about our intent, both in saying which cross-project teams are official and what that means to the other teams.

Doug

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> I need to either get over that or decide what parts need tweaking for docs and support optimization. I'll get going on reviews -- thanks a bunch for all this compilation and for the good blog writing. Much appreciated.
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> Anne
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> Doug
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> [1] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125785/2/reference/project-testing-policies.rst
> [2] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125789/
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>> -Deva
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