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Forgot to provide the email addresses of Paul and Simon in my last mail:

Paul.Lipton at ca.com
smoser at de.ibm.com

Regards,
Thomas

> From: Thomas Spatzier/Germany/IBM at IBMDE
> To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List \(not for usage questions\)"
> <openstack-dev at lists.openstack.org>
> Date: 05/03/2014 10:21
> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] Incubation Request: Murano
>
> Georgy Okrokvertskhov <gokrokvertskhov at mirantis.com> wrote on 05/03/2014
> 00:32:08:
>
> > From: Georgy Okrokvertskhov <gokrokvertskhov at mirantis.com>
> > To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)"
> > <openstack-dev at lists.openstack.org>
> > Date: 05/03/2014 00:34
> > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] Incubation Request: Murano
> >
> > Hi Thomas, Zane,
> >
> > Thank you for bringing TOSCA to the discussion. I think this is
> > important topic as it will help to find better alignment or even
> > future merge of Murano DSL and Heat templates. Murano DSL uses YAML
> > representation too, so we can easily merge use constructions from
> > Heat and probably any other YAML based TOSCA formats.
> >
> > I will be glad to join TOSCA TC. Is there any formal process for that?
>
> The first part is that your company must be a member of OASIS. If that is
> the case, I think you can simply go to the TC page [1] and click a button
> to join the TC. If your company is not yet a member, you could get in
touch
> with the TC chairs Paul Lipton and Simon Moser and ask for the best next
> steps. We recently had people from GigaSpaces join the TC, and since they
> are also doing very TOSCA aligned implementation in Cloudify, their input
> will probably help a lot to advance TOSCA.
>
> >
> > I also would like to use this opportunity and start conversation
> > with Heat team about Heat roadmap and feature set. As Thomas
> > mentioned in his previous e-mail TOSCA topology story is quite
> > covered by HOT. At the same time there are entities like Plans which
> > are covered by Murano. We had discussion about bringing workflows to
> > Heat engine before HK summit and it looks like that Heat team has no
> > plans to bring workflows into Heat. That is actually why we
> > mentioned Orchestration program as a potential place for Murano DSL
> > as Heat+Murano together will cover everything which is defined by
TOSCA.
>
> I remember the discussions about whether to bring workflows into Heat or
> not. My personal opinion is that workflows are probably out of the scope
of
> Heat (i.e. everything but the derived orchestration flows the Heat engine
> implements). So there could well be a layer on-top of Heat that lets Heat
> deal with all topology-related declarative business and adds
workflow-based
> orchestration around it. TOSCA could be a way to describe the respective
> overarching models and then hand the different processing tasks to the
> right engine to deal with it.
>
> >
> > I think TOSCA initiative can be a great place to collaborate. I
> > think it will be possible then to use Simplified TOSCA format for
> > Application descriptions as TOSCA is intended to provide such
> descriptions.
> >
> > Is there a team who are driving TOSCA implementation in OpenStack
> > community? I feel that such team is necessary.
>
> We started to implement a TOSCA YAML to HOT converter and our team member
> Sahdev (IRC spzala) has recently submitted code for a new stackforge
> project [2]. This is very initial, but could be a point to collaborate.
>
> [1] https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=tosca
> [2] https://github.com/stackforge/heat-translator
>
> Regards,
> Thomas
>
> >
> > Thanks
> > Georgy
> >
>
> > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Thomas Spatzier
> <thomas.spatzier at de.ibm.com
> > > wrote:
> > Excerpt from Zane Bitter's message on 04/03/2014 23:16:21:
> > > From: Zane Bitter <zbitter at redhat.com>
> > > To: openstack-dev at lists.openstack.org
> > > Date: 04/03/2014 23:20
> > > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] Incubation Request: Murano
> > >
> > > On 04/03/14 00:04, Georgy Okrokvertskhov wrote:
> > > >
> > > It so happens that the OASIS's TOSCA technical committee are working
as
> > > we speak on a "TOSCA Simple Profile" that will hopefully make things
> > > easier to use and includes a YAML representation (the latter is great
> > > IMHO, but the key to being able to do it is the former). Work is
still
> > > at a relatively early stage and in my experience they are very much
> open
> > > to input from implementers.
>
> > Nice, I was probably also writing a mail with this information at about
> the
> > same time :-)
> > And yes, we are very much interested in feedback from implementers and
> open
> > to suggestions. If we can find gaps and fill them with good proposals,
> now
> > is the right time.
> >
> > >
> > > I would strongly encourage you to get involved in this effort (by
> > > joining the TOSCA TC), and also to architect Murano in such a way
that
> > > it can accept input in multiple formats (this is something we are
> making
> > > good progress toward in Heat). Ideally the DSL format for Murano+Heat
> > > should be a trivial translation away from the relevant parts of the
> YAML
> > > representation of TOSCA Simple Profile.
>
> > Right, having a straight-forward translation would be really desirable.
> The
> > way to get there can actually be two-fold: (1) any feedback we get from
> the
> > Murano folks on the TOSCA simple profile and YAML can help us to make
> TOSCA
> > capable of addressing the right use cases, and (2) on the other hand
make
> > sure the implementation goes in a direction that is in line with what
> TOSCA
> > YAML will look like.
> >
> > >
> > > cheers,
> > > Zane.
> > >
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