[openstack-dev] Climate Incubation Application
joe.gordon0 at gmail.com
Mon Mar 3 17:04:07 UTC 2014
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 6:27 AM, Anne Gentle <anne at openstack.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 8:20 AM, Joe Gordon <joe.gordon0 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 4:42 AM, Sylvain Bauza <sylvain.bauza at bull.net>
>> > Hi Joe,
>> > Thanks for your reply, I'll try to further explain.
>> > Le 03/03/2014 05:33, Joe Gordon a écrit :
>> >> On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Dina Belova <dbelova at mirantis.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>> Hello, folks!
>> >>> I'd like to request Climate project review for incubation. Here is
>> >>> official
>> >>> incubation application:
>> >>> https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Climate/Incubation
>> >> I'm unclear on what Climate is trying to solve. I read the 'Detailed
>> >> Description' from the link above, and it states Climate is trying to
>> >> solve two uses cases (and the more generalized cases of those).
>> >> 1) Compute host reservation (when user with admin privileges can
>> >> reserve hardware resources that are dedicated to the sole use of a
>> >> tenant)
>> >> 2) Virtual machine (instance) reservation (when user may ask
>> >> reservation service to provide him working VM not necessary now, but
>> >> also in the future)
>> > Climate is born from the idea of dedicating compute resources to a
>> > single
>> > tenant or user for a certain amount of time, which was not yet
>> > implemented
>> > in Nova: how as an user, can I ask Nova for one compute host with
>> > certain
>> > specs to be exclusively allocated to my needs, starting in 2 days and
>> > being
>> > freed in 5 days ?
>> > Albeit the exclusive resource lock can be managed on the Nova side,
>> > there is
>> > currently no possibilities to ensure resource planner.
>> > Of course, and that's why we think Climate can also stand by its own
>> > Program, resource reservation can be seen on a more general way : what
>> > about
>> > reserving an Heat stack with its volume and network nested resources ?
>> >> You want to support being able to reserve an instance in the future.
>> >> As a cloud operator how do I take advantage of that information? As a
>> >> cloud consumer, what is the benefit? Today OpenStack supports both
>> >> uses cases, except it can't request an Instance for the future.
>> > Again, that's not only reserving an instance, but rather a complex mix
>> > of
>> > resources. At the moment, we do provide way to reserve virtual instances
>> > by
>> > shelving/unshelving them at the lease start, but we also give
>> > possibility to
>> > provide dedicated compute hosts. Considering it, the logic of resource
>> > allocation and scheduling (take the word as resource planner, in order
>> > not
>> > to confuse with Nova's scheduler concerns) and capacity planning is too
>> > big
>> > to fail under the Compute's umbrella, as it has been agreed within the
>> > Summit talks and periodical threads.
>> Capacity planning not falling under Compute's umbrella is news to me,
>> are you referring to Gantt and scheduling in general? Perhaps I don't
>> fully understand the full extent of what 'capacity planning' actually
>> > From the user standpoint, there are multiple ways to integrate with
>> > Climate
>> > in order to get Capacity Planning capabilities. As you perhaps noticed,
>> > the
>> > workflow for reserving resources is different from one plugin to
>> > another.
>> > Either we say the user has to explicitly request for dedicated resources
>> > (using Climate CLI, see dedicate compute hosts allocation), or we
>> > implicitly
>> > integrate resource allocation from the Nova API (see virtual instance
>> > API
>> > hook).
>> I don't see how Climate reserves resources is relevant to the user.
>> > We truly accept our current implementation as a first prototype, where
>> > scheduling decisions can be improved (possibly thanks to some tight
>> > integration with a future external Scheduler aaS, hello Gantt), where
>> > also
>> > resource isolation and preemption must also be integrated with
>> > subprojects
>> > (we're currently seeing how to provision Cinder volumes and Neutron
>> > routers
>> > and nets), but anyway we still think there is a (IMHO big) room for
>> > resource
>> > and capacity management on its own project.
>> > Hoping it's clearer now,
>> Unfortunately that doesn't clarify things for me.
>> From the user's point of view what is the benefit from making a
>> reservation in the future? Versus what Nova supports today, asking for
>> an instance in the present.
>> Same thing from the operator's perspective, what is the benefit of
>> taking reservations for the future?
>> This whole model is unclear to me because as far as I can tell no
>> other clouds out there support this model, so I have nothing to
>> compare it to.
> Hi Joe,
> I think it's meant to save consumers money by pricing instances based on
> today's prices.
The reserved concept in Amazon, is very different then the one
proposed here. The amazon concept doesn't support saying I will need
an instance in 3 days, this is trying to support that use case.
Furthermore I am not sure how the climate proposal would allow a
cloud provider to offer a cheaper offering.
>> > -Sylvain
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