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Le 07/12/2014 23:27, Dan Smith a écrit :
>> The argument boils down to there is a communications cost to adding
>> someone to core, and therefore there is a maximum size before the
>> communications burden becomes to great.
> I'm definitely of the mindset that the core team is something that has a
> maximum effective size. Nova is complicated and always changing; keeping
> everyone on top of current development themes is difficult. Just last
> week, we merged a patch that bumped the version of an RPC API without
> making the manager tolerant of the previous version. That's a theme
> we've had for a while, and yet it was still acked by two cores.
>
> A major complaint I hear a lot is "one core told me to do X and then
> another core told me to do !X". Obviously this will always happen, but I
> do think that the larger and more disconnected the core team becomes,
> the more often this will occur. If all the cores reviewed at the rate of
> the top five and we still had a throughput problem, then evaluating the
> optimal size would be a thing we'd need to do. However, even at the
> current size, we have (IMHO) communication problems, mostly uninvolved
> cores, and patches going in that break versioning rules. Making the team
> arbitrarily larger doesn't seem like a good idea to me.

As a non-core, I can't speak about how cores communicate within the 
team. That said, I can just say it is sometimes very hard to review all 
the codepaths that Nova has, in particular when some new rules are 
coming in (for example, API microversions, online data migrations or 
reducing the tech debt in the Scheduler).

As a consequence, I can understand that some people can do mistakes when 
reviewing a specific change because they are not experts or because they 
missed some important non-written good practice.
That said, I think this situatiion doesn't necessarly mean that it can't 
be improved by simple rules.

For example, the revert policy is a good thing : errors can happen, and 
admitting that it's normal that a revert can happen in the next couple 
of days seems fine by me. Also, why not considering that some cores are 
more experts than others in a single codepath ? I mean, we all know who 
to address if we have some specific questions about a change (like 
impacting virt drivers, objects, or API). So, why a change wouldn't be 
at least +1'd by these expert cores before *approving* it ?

As Nova is growing, I'm not sure if it's good to cap the team. IMHO, 
mistakes are human, that shouldn't be the reason why the team is not 
growing, but rather how we can make sure that disagreements wouldn't be 
a problem.

(Now going back in my cavern)
-Sylvain


>> I will say that I am disappointed that we have cores who don't
>> regularly attend our IRC meetings. That makes the communication much
>> more complicated.
> Agreed. We alternate the meeting times such that this shouldn't be hard,
> IMHO.
>
> --Dan
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