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On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Alan Kavanagh <alan.kavanagh at ericsson.com>
wrote:

> I share Donald's points here, I believe what would help is to clearly
> describe in the Wiki the process and workflow for the BP approval process
> and build in this process how to deal with discrepancies/disagreements and
> build timeframes for each stage and process of appeal etc.
> The current process would benefit from some fine tuning and helping to
> build safe guards and time limits/deadlines so folks can expect responses
> within a reasonable time and not be left waiting in the cold.
>


This is a resource problem, the nova team simply does not have enough
people doing enough reviews to make this possible.


> My 2cents!
> /Alan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dugger, Donald D [mailto:donald.d.dugger at intel.com]
> Sent: August-28-14 10:43 PM
> To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?
>
> I would contend that that right there is an indication that there's a
> problem with the process.  You submit a BP and then you have no idea of
> what is happening and no way of addressing any issues.  If the priority is
> wrong I can explain why I think the priority should be higher, getting
> stonewalled leaves me with no idea what's wrong and no way to address any
> problems.
>
> I think, in general, almost everyone is more than willing to adjust
> proposals based upon feedback.  Tell me what you think is wrong and I'll
> either explain why the proposal is correct or I'll change it to address the
> concerns.
>
> Trying to deal with silence is really hard and really frustrating.
> Especially given that we're not supposed to spam the mailing it's really
> hard to know what to do.  I don't know the solution but we need to do
> something.  More core team members would help, maybe something like an
> automatic timeout where BPs/patches with no negative scores and no activity
> for a week get flagged for special handling.
>
> I feel we need to change the process somehow.
>
> --
> Don Dugger
> "Censeo Toto nos in Kansa esse decisse." - D. Gale
> Ph: 303/443-3786
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jay Pipes [mailto:jaypipes at gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 1:44 PM
> To: openstack-dev at lists.openstack.org
> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken?
>
> On 08/27/2014 09:04 PM, Dugger, Donald D wrote:
> > I'll try and not whine about my pet project but I do think there is a
> > problem here.  For the Gantt project to split out the scheduler there
> > is a crucial BP that needs to be implemented (
> > https://review.openstack.org/#/c/89893/ ) and, unfortunately, the BP
> > has been rejected and we'll have to try again for Kilo.  My question
> > is did we do something wrong or is the process broken?
> >
> > Note that we originally proposed the BP on 4/23/14, went through 10
> > iterations to the final version on 7/25/14 and the final version got
> > three +1s and a +2 by 8/5.  Unfortunately, even after reaching out to
> > specific people, we didn't get the second +2, hence the rejection.
> >
> > I understand that reviews are a burden and very hard but it seems
> > wrong that a BP with multiple positive reviews and no negative reviews
> > is dropped because of what looks like indifference.
>
> I would posit that this is not actually indifference. The reason that
> there may not have been >1 +2 from a core team member may very well have
> been that the core team members did not feel that the blueprint's priority
> was high enough to put before other work, or that the core team members did
> have the time to comment on the spec (due to them not feeling the blueprint
> had the priority to justify the time to do a full review).
>
> Note that I'm not a core drivers team member.
>
> Best,
> -jay
>
>
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