Open Stack

On Aug 13, 2014, at 4:42 PM, Russell Bryant <rbryant at redhat.com> wrote:

> On 08/13/2014 02:44 PM, Russell Bryant wrote:
>> On 08/13/2014 02:33 PM, Dan Smith wrote:
>>> On 8/13/14 11:20 AM, Mike Bayer wrote:
>>>> On Aug 13, 2014, at 1:44 PM, Russell Bryant <rbryant at redhat.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I disagree.  IMO, *expecting* people to travel, potentially across
>>>>> the globe, 4 times a year is an unreasonable expectation, and
>>>>> quite uncharacteristic of open source projects.  If we can't figure
>>>>> out a way to have the most important conversations in a way that is
>>>>> inclusive of everyone, we're failing with our processes.
>>>>> 
>>>>> By all means, if a subset wants to meet up and make progress on
>>>>> some things, I think that's fine.  I don't think anyone think it's
>>>>> not useful.
>>> 
>>> Well, it doesn't seem at all excessive to me, given the rate and volume
>>> at which we do things around here. That said, if a significant number of
>>> cores think it's not doable, then I guess that's a data point.
>>> 
>>> From what you said above, it sounds like you're okay with the meetings
>>> but not the requirement for cores. I said "expect" above -- is that a
>>> reasonable thing? Expect them to be present, unless they have a reason
>>> not to be there? Reasons could be personal or preference, but hopefully
>>> not "I never come to midcycles because $reason."
>>> 
>>>> It’s difficult to compare OpenStack to other open source projects, in
>>>> that it is on such a more massive and high velocity scale than almost
>>>> any others (perhaps the Linux kernel is similar). 
>>> 
>>> Yeah, I have a hard time justifying anything by comparing us to other
>>> projects. I've been involved with plenty and don't think any of them are
>>> useful data points for what we should or should not do here in terms of
>>> anything related to velocity :)
>> 
>> I think we also need to be careful with not continuing to increase
>> expectations because of velocity.  Burnout is a real problem.
>> 
> 
> Let me try to say it another way.  You seemed to say that it wasn't much
> to ask given the rate at which things happen in OpenStack.  I would
> argue that given the rate, we should not try to ask more of individuals
> (like this proposal) and risk burnout.  Instead, we should be doing our
> best to be more open an inclusive to give the project the best chance to
> grow, as that's the best way to get more done.
> 
> I think an increased travel expectation is a raised bar that will hinder
> team growth, not help it.
> 
> -- 
> Russell Bryant


+1, well said.

Doug