[openstack-dev] How to improve the specs review process (was Re: [Neutron] Group Based Policy and the way forward)
jaypipes at gmail.com
Thu Aug 7 00:28:44 UTC 2014
On 08/06/2014 07:54 PM, Kevin Benton wrote:
> I'm curious, how would having Nova reviewers look at this have helped?
As I mentioned on a previous email, Nova is the pre-eminent consumer of
> On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Jay Pipes <jaypipes at gmail.com
> <mailto:jaypipes at gmail.com>> wrote:
> On 08/06/2014 07:08 PM, CARVER, PAUL wrote:
> On Aug 6, 2014, at 2:01 PM, Mohammad Banikazemi <mb at us.ibm.com
> <mailto:mb at us.ibm.com><mailto:mb at us.__ibm.com
> <mailto:mb at us.ibm.com>>>
> Yes, indeed.
> I do not want to be over dramatic but the discussion on the
> original "Group
> Based Policy and the way forward" thread is nothing short of
> After months and months of discussions, three presentations
> at the past three
> summits, a design session at the last summit, and (most
> relevant to this
> thread) the approval of the spec, why are we talking about
> the merits of the
> work now?
> I understand if people think this is not a good idea or this
> is not a good
> time. What I do not understand is why these concerns were
> not raised clearly
> and openly earlier.
> I have to agree here. I'm not sure whether my organization needs
> GBP or not.
> It's certainly not our top priority for Neutron given a variety
> of other more
> important functional gaps. However, I saw their demo at the
> summit and it was
> clear that a lot of work had gone into it even before Icehouse.
> From the demo
> it was clearly a useful enhancement to Neutron even if it wasn't
> at the top
> of my priority list.
> For people to be asking to justify the "why" this far into the
> Juno cycle
> when the spec was approved and the code was demoed at the summit
> brings the OpenStack process into question. It's one thing to
> technical merits of contributions but it's totally different to
> pull the rug
> out from under a group of contributors at the last minute after
> such a long
> period of development, discussion, and demo.
> Seeing this sort of last minute rejection of a contribution
> after so much
> time has been invested in it could very easily have a chilling
> effect on
> I don't disagree with you, Paul.
> I blame myself for not paying the attention I should have to this
> earlier in the process.
> FWIW, I had a good conversation with Sumit and Kevin on
> #openstack-neutron this afternoon about this particular topic. We
> agree on some things; disagree on others.
> Bottom line, I go back to what I said in a previous email: the Nova
> and Neutron development teams need to do a much better job in being
> directly involved in each other's spec discussions and design
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