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On 11/16/2013 12:42 PM, Sean Dague wrote:
> On 11/15/2013 01:13 PM, Mark McLoughlin wrote:
>> On Fri, 2013-11-15 at 12:47 -0500, Anita Kuno wrote:
>>> On 11/15/2013 12:34 PM, Russell Bryant wrote:
>>>> On 11/15/2013 12:16 PM, Kyle Mestery (kmestery) wrote:
>>>>> On Nov 15, 2013, at 11:04 AM, Dan Smith <dms at danplanet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Thanks for weighing in, I do hope to keep the conversation going.
>>>>>> Add my name to the list of people that won't be considering the trip as
>>>>>> a result.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Are people really saying that if they show up for this Tempest sprint
>>>>> with a logo shirt they would actually take it off and wear a white shirt
>>>>> provided by someone, or that this will prevent them from going at all?
>>>>> I can't even believe we're having this conversation on the list, frankly.
>>>> I'm saying that I find it so ridiculous, that I wouldn't consider going
>>>> at all.
>>>>
>>>> I find the suggestion that I would be given a different shit to wear so
>>>> offensive, that I have to waste time having this conversation to condemn
>>>> it publicly.  I have a lot of pride in OpenStack, and don't want anyone
>>>> to think that everyone finds this sort of requirement acceptable in our
>>>> community.
>>> I respect this about you, Russell and it is one of the many reasons I am
>>> so glad to work with you.
>>>
>>> Had this level of pride in OpenStack been prevalent during the Neutron
>>> design summit sessions, it wouldn't even have occured to me to mention it.
>>>
>>> I hope to attract people with this level of pride in OpenStack to the
>>> code sprint and my thought was that eliminating logos would support that
>>> goal.
>>>
>>> What would you suggest to attract and foster this level of pride in
>>> OpenStack in the code sprint attendees?
>>>
>>> I will also note, that while you clearly stated the Neutron is being
>>> considered for deprecation - t-shirts prevail as an issue on this
>>> thread. I consider that rather interesting to observe.
>> I think you're expressing a similar sentiment to e.g. "there should be
>> more Neutron developers who work on core Neutron rather than just their
>> drivers". I'm cool with that, and totally agree.
>>
>> Choosing to pick on people's choice of clothing is just a bizarre way of
>> expressing that concern, though.
>>
>> Bear in mind how often I talk about this being a community of
>> individuals, we should all wear our "project hats", that our affiliation
>> should be secondary to our commitment to our project, ...
>>
>> Dictating what people can wear to an OpenStack event is not my idea of
>> what OpenStack is all about. It's not my idea of the "mutual respect"
>> you talk about.
> 100% agree with Mark. I think the spirit of working together on the
> whole can be set as a tone without rules and policies around people's
> clothing. This is about inclusiveness.
>
> I'd like the clothing restriction bits retracted from this as well,
> because I don't think it's really relevant to the discussion, the
> sprint, or how we function as a community.
>
> 	-Sean
It happened yesterday: 
http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-November/019403.html

I'm really heartened by the content in the discussion so far. Thanks to 
all who are adding value.

Anita.
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