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I strongly agree that we should try to keep templates as flexible as
possible by allowing some values to be omitted and provided at a later
time.  But, in this case, we are talking about cluster templates without
any node groups being specified.  I think that at a minimum a cluster
template would contain node groups but could omit the node group counts
which could be provided at launch time.  This makes a lot of sense.  But,
in my opinion, without at least specifying the set of node groups in a
cluster template, configuration really wouldn't make sense and therefore
the template would not be of much/any value.


On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Alexander Ignatov
<aignatov at mirantis.com>wrote:

> Hi, Andrew
>
> Agreed with your opinion. Initially Savanna’s templates approach is the
> option 1 you are talking about.
> This was designed at the start of Savanna 0.2 release cycle. It was also
> documented here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Savanna/Templates .
> Maybe some points are outdated but the idea is the same as the option 1:
> user can create cluster template and don’t need to specify all fields, for
> example ’node_groups’ field. And these fields, both required and optional,
> can be overwritten in the cluster object even if it contains
> ‘cluster_template_id’.
>
> I see you raised this question because of patch
> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56060/. I think it’s just a bug in the
> validation level not in api.
>
> I also agree that we should change UI part accordingly, at least add an
> ability for users to override fields set in cluster and node group
> templates during the cluster creation.
>
> Regards,
> Alexander Ignatov
>
>
>
> On 12 Nov 2013, at 23:20, Andrey Lazarev <alazarev at mirantis.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I want to raise the question "What template is". Answer to this question
> could influence UI, validation and user experience significantly. I see two
> possible answers:
> 1. Template is a simplification for object creation. It allows to keep
> common params in one place and not specify them each time.
> 2. Template is a full description of object. User should be able to create
> object from template without specifying any params.
>
> As I see the current approach is the option 1, but UI is done mostly for
> option 2. This leads to situations when user creates incomplete template
> (backend allows it because of option 1), but can't use it later (UI doesn't
> allow to work with incomplete templates).
>
> Let's define common vision on how will we treat templates and document
> this somehow.
>
> My opinion is that we should proceed with the option 1 and change
> UI accordingly.
>
> Thanks,
> Andrew
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