[openstack-dev] [Nova] support for multiple active scheduler policies/drivers

Day, Phil philip.day at hp.com
Wed Jul 24 09:39:16 UTC 2013

Hi Alex,

I'm inclined to agree with others that I'm not sure you need the complexity that this BP brings to the system.    If you want to provide a user with a choice about how much overcommit they will be exposed to then doing that in flavours and the aggregate_instance_extra_spec filter seems the more natural way to do this, since presumably you'd want to charge differently for those and the flavour list is normally what is linked to the pricing model.  

I also like the approach taken by the recent changes to the ram filter where the scheduling characteristics are defined as properties of the aggregate rather than separate stanzas in the configuration file.

An alternative, and the use case I'm most interested in at the moment, is where we want the user to be able to define the scheduling policies on a specific set of hosts allocated to them (in this case they pay for the host, so if they want to oversubscribe on memory/cpu/disk then they should be able to).  The basic framework for this is described in this BP https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/whole-host-allocation and the corresponding wiki page (https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/WholeHostAllocation.    I've also recently posted code for the basic framework built as a wrapper around aggregates (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/38156/, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/38158/ ) which you might want to take a look at.
Its not clear to me if what your proposing addresses an additional gap between this and the combination of the aggregate_extra_spec filter + revised filters to get their configurations from aggregates) ?


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Russell Bryant [mailto:rbryant at redhat.com]
> Sent: 23 July 2013 22:32
> To: openstack-dev at lists.openstack.org
> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] support for multiple active scheduler
> policies/drivers
> On 07/23/2013 04:24 PM, Alex Glikson wrote:
> > Russell Bryant <rbryant at redhat.com> wrote on 23/07/2013 07:19:48 PM:
> >
> >> I understand the use case, but can't it just be achieved with 2
> >> flavors and without this new aggreagte-policy mapping?
> >>
> >> flavor 1 with extra specs to say aggregate A and policy Y flavor 2
> >> with extra specs to say aggregate B and policy Z
> >
> > I agree that this approach is simpler to implement. One of the
> > differences is the level of enforcement that instances within an
> > aggregate are managed under the same policy. For example, nothing
> > would prevent the admin to define 2 flavors with conflicting policies
> > that can be applied to the same aggregate. Another aspect of the same
> > problem is the case when admin wants to apply 2 different policies in
> > 2 aggregates with same capabilities/properties. A natural way to
> > distinguish between the two would be to add an artificial property
> > that would be different between the two -- but then just specifying
> > the policy would make most sense.
> I'm not sure I understand this.  I don't see anything here that couldn't be
> accomplished with flavor extra specs.  Is that what you're saying?
> Or are you saying there are cases that can not be set up using that approach?
> >> > Well, I can think of few use-cases when the selection approach
> >> > might be different. For example, it could be based on tenant
> >> > properties (derived from some kind of SLA associated with the
> >> > tenant, determining the over-commit levels), or image properties
> >> > (e.g., I want to determine placement of Windows instances taking
> >> > into account Windows licensing considerations), etc
> >>
> >> Well, you can define tenant specific flavors that could have
> >> different policy configurations.
> >
> > Would it possible to express something like 'I want CPU over-commit of
> > 2.0 for tenants with SLA=GOLD, and 4.0 for tenants with SLA=SILVER'?
> Sure.  Define policies for sla=gold and sla=silver, and the flavors for each
> tenant would refer to those policies.
> >> I think I'd rather hold off on the extra complexity until there is a
> >> concrete implementation of something that requires and justifies it.
> >
> > The extra complexity is actually not that huge.. we reuse the existing
> > mechanism of generic filters.
> I just want to see something that actually requires it before it goes in.  I take
> exposing a pluggable interface very seriously.  I don't want to expose more
> random plug points than necessary.
> > Regarding both suggestions -- I think the value of this blueprint will
> > be somewhat limited if we keep just the simplest version. But if
> > people think that it makes a lot of sense to do it in small increments
> > -- we can probably split the patch into smaller pieces.
> I'm certainly not trying to diminish value, but I am looking for specific cases
> that can not be accomplished with a simpler solution.
> --
> Russell Bryant
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