[openstack-dev] [OSLO] Comments/Questions on Messaging Wiki

Doug Hellmann doug.hellmann at dreamhost.com
Fri Jul 12 23:22:08 UTC 2013

On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 5:40 PM, William Henry <whenry at redhat.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
> I've been reading through the Messaging Wiki and have some comments. Not
> criticisms, just comments and questions.
>  I have found this to be a very useful document. Thanks.
> 1. "There are multiple backend transport drivers which implement the API
> semantics using different messaging systems - e.g. RabbitMQ, Qpid, ZeroMQ.
> While both sides of a connection must use the same transport driver
> configured in the same way, the API avoids exposing details of transports
> so that code written using one transport should work with any other
> transport."
> The good news for AMQP 1.0 users is that technically "boths sides of the
> connection" do not have to use same transport driver. In pre-AMQP 1.0 days
> this was the case. But today interoperability between AMQP 1.0
> implementations has been demonstrated.

In this case I think we mean the Transport driver from within Oslo. So you
could not connect a ZMQ Transport on one end to an AMQP Transport on the
other. It will be an implementation detail of the AMQP Transport class to
decide whether it supports more than one version of AMQP, or if the
different versions are implemented as different Transports.

> 2. I notice under the RPC concepts section that you mention Exchanges as a
> container in which topics are scoped. Is this exchange a pre AMQP 1.0
> artifact or just a general term for oslo.messaging that is loosely based on
> the pre-AMQP 1.0 artifact called an Exchange? i.e. are you assuming that
> messaging implementations have something called an exchange? Or do you mean
> that messaging implementations can scope a topic and in oslo we call that
> scoping an exchange?

The latter.

> 3. Some messaging nomenclature: The way the wiki describes RPC "Invoke
> Method on One of Multiple Servers" is more like a queue than a topic. In
> messaging a queue is something that multiple consumers can attach to and
> one of them gets and services a message/request.  A topic is where 1+
> consumers are "connected" and each receives a the message and each can
> service it as it sees fit.  In pre-AMQP 1.0 terms what this seems to
> describe is a direct exchange. And a direct excahnge can have multiple
> consumers listening to a queue on that exchange.  (Remember that fanout is
> just a generalization of topic in that all consumers get all fanout
> messages - there are no sub-topics etc.)
> In AMQP 1.0 the addressing doesn't care or know about exchanges but it can
> support this queue type behavior on an address or topic type behavior on an
> address.
> I know this isn't about AMQP specifically but therefore this is even more
> important. Topics are pub/sub with multiple consumer/services responding to
> a single message. Queues are next consumer up gets the next message.

> (BTW I've seen this kind of confusion also in early versions of
> MCollective in Puppet.)
> It might be better to change some of the references to "topic" to
> "address". This would solve the problem. i.e. a use case where one of many
> servers listening on an address services a message/request. And later all
> of servers listening on an address service a message/request. Addressing
> also solves the one-to-one as the address is specific to the server (and
> the others don't have to receive and reject the message).

Too many of these terms are overloaded. :-)

I'm not sure of the details of how "topic" and "address" are different in
AMQP 1.0. The word "address" implies to me that the message sender knows
where the message receiver is in some concrete sense. We don't want those
semantics in a lot of our use cases. If the "address" is abstract, then it
sounds like it works much as a topic does. Maybe you can expand on the


> Please feel free to respond and critique my comments/suggestions.
> Best,
> William
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