Open Stack

On 01/23/2013 02:57 PM, Jay Pipes wrote:
> On 01/23/2013 01:49 PM, Sandy Walsh wrote:
>> Agreed. My concern is, this is a somewhat simple application and it
>> seems (to me) that openstack.common immediately makes things complex.
>> I'm sure there is more being used in Oslo than just logging and config
>> that I'm missing.
> 
> In this specific case, I believe the Ceilometer folks are adding, or
> actively working on adding, pieces to Oslo that match the work they did
> on the new Pecan-based WSGI router framework. I think the reason that
> they use Oslo now is because they copied in a whole chunk of Nova code
> to begin the project -- for expedience's sake -- and then after working
> with the Oslo team saw that it would be cleaner to use Oslo and
> contribute fixes back into it. Ceilo contributors, please correct me if
> I am wrong!

Gotcha ... the webserver/template stack would be a good reason to use
common. Didn't know that was in Oslo. Likewise with the general Service
stack.

That said, I guess when you copy the whole stack and then refactor for
commonality you're likely to pull in much more than you really need.

I'd be curious to know how much of Oslo
Glance/Keystone/Cinder/Quantum/etc use now.

> 
>> Permission to speak freely ...
>>
>> Put another way, should every openstack project have to use the common
>> libraries if they can skin the cat in an easier way? Should they have to
>> take on the extra workload of fixing up another project in that effort?
>> Will they be shunned if they don't?
> 
> Shunned? No. Encouraged to align, yes. :) As you know, it's a pet peeve
> of mine to see duplicated code, so I take special note on things such as
> these.

Me too. But at some point the cost outweighs the benefit. Should things
like the webserver, db migrations, rpc, notification and service stuff
just be separate pypi libraries like everything else? Each maintained on
their own and with a potential life outside of OpenStack? Is that the
greater good?

>> I know the right answer is "yes, do it for the betterment of the
>> community." ... but sometimes you just want to get make some progress
>> quickly. (this is just me talking off the cuff here, of course :)
>>
>> Again, and it's just my $0.02, but the whole thing seems like hanging a
>> picture nail with a sledge hammer.
> 
> I totally understand the pressure to get things working and make
> progress, trust me. :) This was merely a gentle nudge to remember that
> there is benefit in code re-use that often trumps short-term gains in
> productivity.

Nudge accepted :) just thinking out loud.

> All said with the deepest respect and reverence for your work, Sandy :)

haha, you're just looking for free Summit beer, aren't you!

> 
> Best,
> -jay
> 
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