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Hi Chuck

On 11/01/2013 15:59, Chuck Thier wrote:
> The Tenant_ID is in the URL
> (https://{SWIFT_IP}/v1/AUTH_{TENANT_ID}/{CONTAINER}/{OBJECT})
>
> I think we have beaten this part to death a bit now, as we seem to all
> agree that we can continue this pattern with the V3 API.  The one
> concern that I still have is how the ACLs will work, and weather or
> not that will need to change.
>
> I'm also curious how the Keystone V3 API will work alongside V2 apis.

My opinion (only, I dont speak for anyone else) is as follows:

1. A v2 API system has no problems as it is working OK today
2. A v3 API system only, with domains added, should work OK tomorrow 
otherwise the v3 API has problems
3. So the main point as you say is how do v2 and v3 systems interwork. I 
suggest there is an intercept module, say in the Keystone pipeline, that 
knows it is operating in a v2/v3 environment, and when it receives a v2 
request already containing a tenant_ID it knows it will comprise 
domain:project and it can unpack it, and give the separate elements to 
the rest of the V3 code for processing as in a v3 system. When the 
intercept module receives a v2 request that needs a tenant ID returning 
to it, it will encode up the domain and project as a tenant ID, and 
return this to the v2 client. The v2 client will be blissfully unaware 
that what it thinks is a tenant ID is actually a combination of domain 
and project.

regards

david



>
> --
> Chuck
>
> On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 4:16 AM, David Chadwick <d.w.chadwick at kent.ac.uk> wrote:
>> You have to ask, where does the Swift client get the tenant_Id from? Isnt it
>> Keystone? So if Keystone returns project_ID:tenant_Id to swift as the
>> project_id string, then Swift can continue to use this as if nothing has
>> changed. Its just a string whose content has no meaning to Swift, but whose
>> content does have meaning to Keystone. The Swift policy simply needs to
>> change the value of the tenant_id in its policy to the new value and it
>> should work the same
>>
>> regards
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>> On 09/01/2013 20:21, heckj wrote:
>>>
>>> Given that domains are a segmentation of projects/tenants, then I wouldn't
>>> expect to want to change it from a project_id representation to anything
>>> else.
>>>
>>> -joe
>>>
>>> On Jan 9, 2013, at 12:13 PM, Chuck Thier <cthier at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Things are always easy, until you start thinking about backwards
>>>> compatibility.  The storage urls for swift with keystone are currently
>>>> keyed off of the tenant_id (soon to be project_id), so you end up with
>>>> an endpoint url that looks something like
>>>> http://{SWIFT_IP}/v1/AUTH_{TENANT_ID}  if you change that by adding
>>>> the domain, then you break any current users in your system, and you
>>>> can't use v2 and v3 auth contracts simultaneously.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Chuck
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 1:37 PM, David Chadwick <d.w.chadwick at kent.ac.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I would have thought that the solution is conceptually rather
>>>>> straightforward. If domains can have their own project names and
>>>>> usernames,
>>>>> then you prefix the names with the domain ID or domain name to make them
>>>>> globally unique again.
>>>>>
>>>>> regards
>>>>>
>>>>> David
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 09/01/2013 19:14, Yee, Guang wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes. Swift ACLs <tenant_id>:<user_name>, <tenant_id>:<user_name>, and
>>>>>> *:<user_name> will be impacted if project (formely tenant) name and
>>>>>> user
>>>>>> name are no longer globally unique. We'll need to figure out a
>>>>>> migration
>>>>>> path before relaxing that constraint.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Guang
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Chuck Thier [mailto:cthier at gmail.com]
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 10:48 AM
>>>>>> To: OpenStack Development Mailing List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [swift] [keystone] Keystone v3 API domains
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> Swift
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Se responses inline:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 4:01 AM, Henry Nash <henryn at linux.vnet.ibm.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So there are a couple of issues intertwined in this thread:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1) Uniqueness of identifiers in Swift given the keystone Identity v3
>>>>>>> api.
>>>>>>> This is the issue of whether Swift uses tenant names (now called
>>>>>>> project
>>>>>>> names) at all to uniquely identify any objects - if it did, then it
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> need to also consider storing a domain name or id.  From the
>>>>>>> discussion,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> sounds like tenant/project ID is used instead, which (from a
>>>>>>> uniqueness
>>>>>>> point of view) is fine.  A separate issue exists needs to be discussed
>>>>>>> around swift ACLs and whether username potentially becoming unique
>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>> within a domain will have an impact.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For AuthN, you are correct, in that it only relies on tenant/project
>>>>>> ID.  So, nothing has to be changed from that perspective.  AuthZ is a
>>>>>> little more tricky. For ACLs with keystone, they are set as
>>>>>> TENANT:USER in any of the following patterns:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *:user_name - that user from any tenant has access
>>>>>> tenant_id:user_name - that user from that tenant id has access
>>>>>> tenant_name:user_name - that user from that tenant name has access
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If project_name will not be unique in v3, then the
>>>>>> tenant_name:user_name format may have to be deprecated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would be interested to hear from providers that are using keystone
>>>>>> with swift and hear which of the above use cases they are using.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2) Given that keystone identity v3 domains are likely to be usually
>>>>>>> used
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> represent an enterprise (or "account holder" in common cloud
>>>>>>> terminology)
>>>>>>> and contain the collection of projects owned by that enterprise, is it
>>>>>>> important for Swift to have that domain knowledge?  Will there be
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> operations
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> either within swift (or more likely layered on top of swift) that need
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> information?  E.g. How would someone layer a billing engine on top of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> swift
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> that could collate all the swift containers that were part of one
>>>>>>> domain?
>>>>>>> Obviously that engine could call keystone with each project_id in turn
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> find the domain_id.....but  that sounds pretty inefficient.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As is, containers can already be collated for a given tenant/project
>>>>>> id.  The containers for a domain is then an aggregate of the project
>>>>>> ids  associated to that domain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think the default should be that domains are not mapped in swift.  I
>>>>>> believe that this will also be required to facilitate backwards
>>>>>> compatibility, which brings up another interesting question -- Is
>>>>>> there an expectation that people will be able to run keystone auth
>>>>>> v2.0 and v3.0 side by side?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Chuck
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