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On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 22:44 +0000, Joshua Harlow wrote:
> Sure sure, let me not make that assumption (can't speak for them), but
> even libraries on pypi have to deal with API instability.

Yes, they do ... either by my maintaining stability, bumping their major
version number to reflect an incompatible change ... or annoying the
hell out of their users!

> Just more of suggesting, might as well bite the bullet (if objects folks
> feel ok with this) and just learn to deal with the pypi method for dealing
> with API instability (versions, deprecation...). Since code copying around
> is just creating a miniature version of the same 'learning experience'
> except u lose the other parts (versioning, deprecation, ...) which comes
> along with pypi and libraries.

Yes, if the maintainers of the API are prepared to deal with the demands
of API stability, publishing the API as a standalone library would be
far more preferable.

Failing that, oslo-incubator offers a halfway house which sucks, but not
as as much as the alternative - projects copying and pasting each
other's code and evolving their copies independently.

Mark.

> Anyways, just a thought.
> 
> -Josh
> 
> On 12/3/13 2:39 PM, "Mark McLoughlin" <markmc at redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> >On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 22:31 +0000, Joshua Harlow wrote:
> >> Sure, no one has said it. But it seems to be implied, otherwise these
> >> types of discussions wouldn't occur. Right?
> >
> >You're assuming the Nova objects API is at a point where the maintainers
> >of it feel ready to commit to API stability.
> >
> >Mark.
> >
> >> On 12/3/13 2:25 PM, "Mark McLoughlin" <markmc at redhat.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> >On Tue, 2013-12-03 at 22:07 +0000, Joshua Harlow wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Process for process sake imho has been a problem for oslo.
> >> >
> >> >It's been reiterated many times, but again - the only purpose of
> >> >oslo-incubator is as a place to evolve an API until we're ready to make
> >> >a commitment to API stability.
> >> >
> >> >It's often easier to start a new API completely standalone, push it to
> >> >PyPI and plan for API backwards compatibility from the start. No-one
> >>has
> >> >ever said that such APIs need to go through oslo-incubator "for process
> >> >sake".
> >> >
> >> >Mark.
> >> >
> >> >
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