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If we're going to assert it's supported, we're doing an incredible dis-service to writing a spec to not implement that aspect of the spec, as that kind of set up just leads to incompatibilities and confusion when asserting how the spec should be used to provide interoperability.

If we accept this as a spec addition, then we MUST have an implementation that makes it clear how we expect to interoperate with that aspect of the specification, even if it's a configuration option that we don't normally enable. If we don't test and validate it to prove interoperability, then the spec is a worthless digital "piece of paper".

So under that pretext, I welcome suggestions on how to interpret the spec you're proposing to some concrete implementations that can be verified for interoperability, and that are compatible with the existing and/or upcoming implementations for V3 API.

-joe

On Nov 14, 2012, at 1:35 PM, Joe Savak <joe.savak at RACKSPACE.COM> wrote:
> Hi Joe,
> 	If I'm working across multiple tenants, I'd prefer one token that I can securely handle that proves access rights to the tenants I'm working with. Handling multiple tokens increases the complexity of clients needing to provide multi-tenancy access to an authenticated identity. It also adds more calls to keystone. 
> 
> Again, I think that having the keystone reference implementation restrict tokens to 1 tenant is fine. We shouldn't have such arbitrary restrictions in the API contract though. It needs to be extensible and flexible to allow for the all sorts of use cases that are likely to occur.
> 
> Thanks,
> joe
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: heckj [mailto:heckj at mac.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 3:59 PM
> To: Joe Savak
> Cc: OpenStack Development Mailing List; openstack at lists.launchpad.net (openstack at lists.launchpad.net)
> Subject: Re: [Openstack] [openstack-dev] Fwd: [keystone] Tokens representing authorization to projects/tenants in the Keystone V3 API
> 
> Hey Joe:
> 
> Currently a user scoped token doesn't include a service catalog - mostly because I think the service catalog generally requires tenant_id's to interpolate into the values to provide it. That doesn't mean we can't put in/include service catalog endpoints where that value doesn't need to be determined.
> 
> I'm also questioning the value of providing a token scoped to all tenants associated with a user - that seems to have the same value as just using a user token. 
> 
> In fact, even if we allow some arbitrary set of tenants to be scoped into a token along with a user, what on earth should be in the service catalog? Endpoints relevant to every possible tenant?
> 
> This just seems to be a potential explosion of data that is poorly scoped from a security perspective.
> 
> -joe
> 
> On Nov 13, 2012, at 1:42 PM, Joe Savak <joe.savak at RACKSPACE.COM> wrote:
>> Will user-scoped token include the full service catalog? 
>> 
>> Also, I thought the consensus was to allow the API contract to be flexible on how many tenants we can scope the token to. The ref impl can enforce 1 tenant-scoped token. Are we diverging from this?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> joe
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: openstack-bounces+joe.savak=rackspace.com at lists.launchpad.net [mailto:openstack-bounces+joe.savak=rackspace.com at lists.launchpad.net] On Behalf Of heckj
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:34 PM
>> To: OpenStack Development Mailing List
>> Cc: openstack at lists.launchpad.net (openstack at lists.launchpad.net)
>> Subject: Re: [Openstack] [openstack-dev] Fwd: [keystone] Tokens representing authorization to projects/tenants in the Keystone V3 API
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 13, 2012, at 11:01 AM, Jorge Williams <jorge.williams at rackspace.com> wrote:
>>> On Nov 13, 2012, at 11:35 AM, heckj wrote:
>>>> So maintaining a token scoped to just the user, and a mechanism to scope it to a tenant sound like all goodness. We can absolutely keep the API such that it can provide either. 
>>>> 
>>>> Right now, our auth_token middleware implicitly requires a tenant in that scoping to work. If someone wanted to support a token scoped to just a user for the services, they'd need a different middleware there. Keystone as a service *doesn't* use the auth_token middleware, so with the V3 API we can make it provide services appropriately based on a token scoped only to the user.
>>>> 
>>>> All that in place, allow a token to be indeterminate scoped to multiple tenants is fraught with security flaws, and if we continue to provide unscoped tokens, that should obviate the need for token scoped to multiple tenants. 
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure I'm following you there.  I don't see how unscoped tokens obviate the need to scope to multiple tenants, these may be driven by  different concerns. 
>>> 
>>> Again, I think we need to have some flexibility in how we scope tokens. The API should be flexible enough to support different models -- I think that scoping a token to multiple tenants is useful in cases such as delegation -- where a single identity may be issued revokable access to a set of resources in multiple projects.
>> 
>> The consensus from the folks weighing in on this from a security perspective seems to be that it's kosher to restrict tokens further (the least privilege thing). Broadening the scope to multiple tenants or sets of tenants doesn't appear to follow those best practices. If you wanted to accept a less-scoped token than the scoped to single tenant, you can accept and use a user-scoped token, at least by my read.
>> 
>> -joe
>> 
>> 
>> 
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