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Are we counting on having a special meeting of the board to discuss this
next week?

If so, who's making sure it's going to get scheduled?

Mark.

On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 10:57 -0500, Todd Moore wrote:
> Thanks Simon.  Monty would you be able to work with Theiry on a Condorcet
> description?
> 
> Todd M. Moore
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> Director, Interoperability and Partnerships
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> 11501 Burnet Rd. MS 9035H014
> Austin, TX , 78758.  (512) 286-7643 (tie-line 363)
> tmmoore at us.ibm.com
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>   |Simon Anderson <simon at dreamhost.com>                                                                                                    |
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>   |elections-committee at lists.openstack.org,                                                                                                |
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> Thanks Todd and Mark for summarizing the conference call, and everyone on
> the committee for all the work put in to date to look at this important
> issue and come up with good proposals to put before the membership. Having
> just joined the committee, I can see how much thought and work you've all
> put into this.
> 
> I am definitely of the view that we should put a resolution to amend the
> bylaws, and thereby adopt a Single Transferable Vote (STV) voting system
> (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_transferable_vote) or Condorcet
> voting system (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condorcet_method) for the
> next individual member Directors election to be held in January 2014. I
> think there is strong interest from the community to see this put forward
> for a vote, and I think we can move quickly but with clear communication
> and do that over the next 4-5 weeks.
> 
> I am happy to put my hand up to volunteer to prepare and present the STV
> system to the Board. I'll need some input from other committee members
> along the way, but I can commit time to this over this weekend and into
> early next week. Personally, I think that there are good arguments for
> using each of STV or Condorcet, and through this debate we will be able
> balance these arguments and find the right option to present to members.
> Both are "order of preference" voting systems, which is overall what I hear
> from the community is wanted.
> 
> Thanks again, and I'll start working on the STV presentation today.
> 
> 
> Best,
> Simon Anderson
> CEO, DreamHost
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> On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 8:08 AM, Todd Moore <tmmoore at us.ibm.com> wrote:
>   Thanks Mark.  Good summary.
> 
>   It is worth adding that:
> 
>   Jonathan will confer with counsel again around the two options discussed
>   today.
> 
>   There seemed to be sentiment that each system would need an accurate
>   description that could be referenced by a bylaws change.  I need two
>   volunteers to describe the system and pro's and con's for submission to
>   the board for debate.
> 
>   We await further direction out of Jonathan's investigations.
> 
>   Another committee discussion early next week is required, if we are to
>   use the Summit window as was suggested, to bring a revised system to the
>   membership for a vote.  I proposed Wednesday at 1300 UTC again.  If this
>   is acceptable email me please.
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>   Todd M. Moore
> 
>   Director, Interoperability and Partnerships
> 
>   11501 Burnet Rd. MS 9035H014
>   Austin, TX , 78758.  (512) 286-7643 (tie-line 363)
>   tmmoore at us.ibm.com
> 
>   Inactive hide details for Mark McLoughlin ---10/11/2013 09:41:11 AM---Hi
>   Todd, Monty, Simon, Tim, Rob, Troy, Jonathan and I hadMark McLoughlin
>   ---10/11/2013 09:41:11 AM---Hi Todd, Monty, Simon, Tim, Rob, Troy,
>   Jonathan and I had a call today for
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>        From:         Mark McLoughlin <markmc at redhat.com>                   
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>        To:           elections-committee at lists.openstack.org,              
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>        Date:         10/11/2013 09:41 AM                                   
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>        Subject:      [Elections-committee] Oct 11 meeting                  
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>   Hi
> 
>   Todd, Monty, Simon, Tim, Rob, Troy, Jonathan and I had a call today for
>   over an hour
> 
>   I won't attempt to fully summarize the discussion, so fill in anything I
>   missed.
> 
>    - general consensus (AFAICT) that we should move forward with
>      recommending a change to the system
> 
>    - a feeling that the board should recommend a particular system and
>      not put the choice of system up for a vote
> 
>    - STV and some Condorcet variant were still the two contenders
>      discussed
> 
>    - there is a risk that any alternate system to could prove to make
>      the process of obtaining non-profit status more difficult,
>      particularly with Condorcet (it's not used by other orgs, harder to
>      explain, etc.)
> 
>    - another risk is that if someone successfully challenged an
>      election, the board would be invalid and unable to make decisions.
>      In other words, a system that is open to challenge could have very
>      serious consequences
> 
>    - the arguments in favour of STV, then, centred around these risks
>      and that it's a vast improvement in its own right
> 
>    - the arguments in favour of Condorcet largely centred around
>      consistency with the "technical community" elections and that we
>      know how to run these elections
> 
>    - we also had some discussion about timing. Some preference expressed
>      for pushing ahead quickly and having a vote which coincides with
>      the summit in an attempt to get more turnout. Others fear that that
>      strategy could backfire.
> 
>   Mark.
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