Re: [Openstack-i18n] Zanata, message to the team
I see no technical reason. I am okay if we have a consensus that we can use various languages on the list to discuss topics specific to languages. Does everybody want this? I don't think it works if message in Frensh, Spanish, Chinese, Russian, Japanese, Korean, Turkish, Arabian and more on a single list. I might be missing something important. OpenStack foundation provides use the mailing list server under openstack.org domain and local communities can use it. Akihiro 2015-09-17 23:40 GMT+09:00 Douglas Fish <drfish@us.ibm.com>:
Can't other languages be used on the mailing list? Is this a technical limitation?
Doug
Akihiro Motoki <amotoki@gmail.com> wrote on 09/17/2015 09:08:26 AM:
From: Akihiro Motoki <amotoki@gmail.com> To: Openstack-i18n Openstack-i18n <openstack-i18n@lists.openstack.org> Date: 09/17/2015 09:09 AM Subject: Re: [Openstack-i18n] Zanata, message to the team
One thing to note is that each language team would like to discuss in its language in most cases.
We don't want to use English in translation discussion :p Thus I think this mailing does not work to address the original question.
In Japanese case, we use a mailing list in the local community, but not all language team has such media and they might had Transifex messaging to communicate each other.
2015-09-17 22:50 GMT+09:00 Andreas Jaeger <aj@suse.com>: On 2015-09-17 15:19, Jeremy Stanley wrote: On 2015-09-17 07:58:39 -0500 (-0500), Douglas Fish wrote: Can't the openstack-i18n mailing list be used for this? In the openstack-dev lists multiple teams use it and we just include [horizon] or [keystone] or similar as appropriate to help sort out messages to interested parties.
The nice thing about this is that it makes the discussion open to others who might take interest periodically.
Not only that, the discussion is also archived and accessible anonymously over the Web. Any group contact mechanism built into Zanata as an afterthought is going to be inferior to proper mailing lists as a general discussion platform.
Challenge is that not every translator is subscribed here AFAIU. How can we encourage usage of this mailing list?
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Regardless language team discussion should be in mailing or not, personally I think a feature in Zanata to allow coordinator to contact team members is useful in some occasion. Same for scenario where project maintainer should be able to contact the team. There's already few request made regarding notification system in Zanata for these kind of event. https://zanata.atlassian.net/browse/ZNTA-526 - Language team join request https://zanata.atlassian.net/browse/ZNTA-531 - Translation milestone Perhaps a new request for this? --------------------------------------------- Alex Eng Globalisation Tools Engineering DID: +61 3514 8262 <callto:+61+3514+8262> Mobile: +614 2335 3457 <callto:+614+2335+3457> Red Hat, Asia-Pacific Pty Ltd Level 1, 193 North Quay Brisbane 4000 Office: +61 7 3514 8100 <callto:+61+7+3514+8100> Fax: +61 7 3514 8199 <callto:+61+7+3514+8199> Website: www.redhat.com On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 12:52 AM, Akihiro Motoki <amotoki@gmail.com> wrote:
I see no technical reason. I am okay if we have a consensus that we can use various languages on the list to discuss topics specific to languages. Does everybody want this? I don't think it works if message in Frensh, Spanish, Chinese, Russian, Japanese, Korean, Turkish, Arabian and more on a single list. I might be missing something important.
OpenStack foundation provides use the mailing list server under openstack.org domain and local communities can use it.
Akihiro
2015-09-17 23:40 GMT+09:00 Douglas Fish <drfish@us.ibm.com>:
Can't other languages be used on the mailing list? Is this a technical limitation?
Doug
Akihiro Motoki <amotoki@gmail.com> wrote on 09/17/2015 09:08:26 AM:
From: Akihiro Motoki <amotoki@gmail.com> To: Openstack-i18n Openstack-i18n <openstack-i18n@lists.openstack.org> Date: 09/17/2015 09:09 AM Subject: Re: [Openstack-i18n] Zanata, message to the team
One thing to note is that each language team would like to discuss in its language in most cases.
We don't want to use English in translation discussion :p Thus I think this mailing does not work to address the original question.
In Japanese case, we use a mailing list in the local community, but not all language team has such media and they might had Transifex messaging to communicate each other.
2015-09-17 22:50 GMT+09:00 Andreas Jaeger <aj@suse.com>: On 2015-09-17 15:19, Jeremy Stanley wrote: On 2015-09-17 07:58:39 -0500 (-0500), Douglas Fish wrote: Can't the openstack-i18n mailing list be used for this? In the openstack-dev lists multiple teams use it and we just include [horizon] or [keystone] or similar as appropriate to help sort out messages to interested parties.
The nice thing about this is that it makes the discussion open to others who might take interest periodically.
Not only that, the discussion is also archived and accessible anonymously over the Web. Any group contact mechanism built into Zanata as an afterthought is going to be inferior to proper mailing lists as a general discussion platform.
Challenge is that not every translator is subscribed here AFAIU. How can we encourage usage of this mailing list?
Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj@{suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
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Hi, On Thu Sep 17 2015 16:52:29 GMT+0200 (CEST) amotoki@gmail.com wrote:
I see no technical reason. I am okay if we have a consensus that we can use various languages on the list to discuss topics specific to languages. Does everybody want this? I don't think it works if message in Frensh, Spanish, Chinese, Russian, Japanese, Korean, Turkish, Arabian and more on a single list. I might be missing something important.
I'm sure it won't work.
OpenStack foundation provides use the mailing list server under openstack.org <http://openstack.org> domain and local communities can use it.
I read this as "go for an own fully featured mailing list per language team if desired". I find that much over engineered and it still means extra efforts to maintain the memberships. -- Regards, Robert
On 2015-09-18 09:35:13 +0200 (+0200), Robert Simai wrote: [...]
I read this as "go for an own fully featured mailing list per language team if desired". I find that much over engineered and it still means extra efforts to maintain the memberships.
Conversely, implementing mailing list software from scratch is nontrivial, and so any embedded discussion mechanism within Zanata will get the pleasure of reinventing bugs solved ages ago in more mature listservs. Perhaps a compromise feature would be some sort of mailing list integration, so that the memberships can be maintained automatically and tied to the teams Zanata knows about but still leverage an existing full-featured free software listserv implementation on the back end. -- Jeremy Stanley
Hi Jeremy, On Fri Sep 18 2015 14:08:27 GMT+0200 (CEST) fungi@yuggoth.org wrote:
On 2015-09-18 09:35:13 +0200 (+0200), Robert Simai wrote: [...]
I read this as "go for an own fully featured mailing list per language team if desired". I find that much over engineered and it still means extra efforts to maintain the memberships.
Conversely, implementing mailing list software from scratch is nontrivial, and so any embedded discussion mechanism within Zanata will get the pleasure of reinventing bugs solved ages ago in more mature listservs. Perhaps a compromise feature would be some sort of
I guess we don't know yet if Zanata alrerady has some feature in the pipeline :-)
mailing list integration, so that the memberships can be maintained automatically and tied to the teams Zanata knows about but still leverage an existing full-featured free software listserv implementation on the back end.
I agree we don't have reinvent the wheel but it should be with least maintenance effort. I think - as you indicate - that requires some (semi-)automatic process to reliably subscribe Zanata users to the respective language lists and probably to unsubscribe if they leave the team. I don't know if that's technically feasible or who can do that. -- Thanks, Robert
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Akihiro Motoki
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Alex Eng
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Jeremy Stanley
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Robert Simai