Re: [Openstack-i18n] Transifex
Hello Daisy, Thank you so much for your kind explanation. I agree that all of translation data are successfully moved to Zanata, and I have no objection to remove current Transifex not to be confused for OpenStack translation contributor candidates. I just worried that some guys might want to see previous Transifex history: who contributed to OpenStack translations later, since, the author of translation results from Transifex to Zanata is "OpenStack Infra", not actual translators, as far as I know. However, I also think that it is very difficult to keep all the history to public. For my OpenStack translation stuff, I do not need Transifex any more. So if other translators also do not need to see to track previous translators in Transifex, then there is no more additional reason to remove Transifex except querying statistics. And one more idea: although some previous translators are not regarded as ATC, I think it would be much better to mention their Transifex ID (at least) to acknowledge their previous contribution or credit on somewhere, such as OpenStack wiki. Let's discuss on today IRC meeting :) With many thanks, /Ian Ying Chun Guo wrote on 12/17/2015 2:39 PM:
Ian Y,
I will not use the official i18n repo to store those materials. I plan to store it in a personal repo in github, just to keep the history.
We have moved all data into Zanata while we migrated to Zanata in September. 4 months passed, we didn't get any complains about any missing data. We could be sure that all data have been moved to the new tool. So it's not that necessary to back up.
The only reason to support to not delete OpenStack from Transifex is that: it's easy to query the contribution data in any certain period through the web UI of Transifex. If we remove OpenStack from Transifex, we will lost the ability to query. I could export the contribution data for a certain period, for example, the last 3 years, from Transifex, and store the export data somewhere. But I will lost the ability to query any periods, for example, the data from 2015.4-2015.10 will not be able to get.
So we could discuss whether we need this ability in the meeting today. If we don't need, Transifex is no use for us. We could delete it safely.
Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)
"Ian Y. Choi" <ianyrchoi@gmail.com> wrote on 2015/12/17 12:21:34:
From: "Ian Y. Choi" <ianyrchoi@gmail.com> To: Ying Chun Guo/China/IBM@IBMCN, Andreas Jaeger <aj@suse.com> Cc: Robert Simai <robert.simai@suse.com>, openstack-i18n@lists.openstack.org Date: 2015/12/17 12:22 Subject: Re: [Openstack-i18n] Transifex
Hello Andreas,
I am copying & pasting from Andreas's comment to this thread:
+++ "Sorry, let me clarify this again: * ATC is one year (voting rights for i18n) * Free passes for OpenStack conference is 6 months
For ATC, you could take a one time snapshot as well now - going back to 1st of April, instead of saving it for later,"
=> Thank you so much for your nice clarification on ATC status and summit free passes.
We would vote this issue (removing on Transifex site) on today's IRC meeting, and yes. We need contribution statistics data from Transifex, and I agree that we can query and save Transifex statistics data (from April 1 2015 to now) and later we would merge this data with Zanata statistics data on next April.
And I am not sure exactly, but we might use openstack/i18n repo to store Transfex related data into a specific branch, not a master branch.
With many thanks,
/Ian
Ying Chun Guo wrote on 12/17/2015 1:21 AM: If we don't need the contribution data in Transifex, I think we could remove it.
As to the back up, it's a personal habit. I just want to keep it as the history. I will use a repo in github to store the documents, including an Excel file with the contribution statistic data.
Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)
-----Andreas Jaeger <aj@suse.com> wrote: -----
To: "Ian Y. Choi" <ianyrchoi@gmail.com>, Robert Simai <robert.simai@suse.com> From: Andreas Jaeger <aj@suse.com> Date: 12/16/2015 09:59PM Cc: openstack-i18n@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [Openstack-i18n] Transifex
On 2015-12-16 14:34, Ian Y. Choi wrote:
Hello Robert,
As far as I remember, on the last i18n irc meeting (Dec 03 2015 +6 UTC), we discussed this issue.
During the meeting, meeting attendees found that querying to Transifex statistics data is needed to check ATC status for the next OpenStack release, Mitaka.
ATC status is handed out only for people active in the current release, so for the next summit in Austin, only for people that were active in Mitaka time frame. And since we used Zanata for all of Mitaka,
On 2015-12-16 14:45, Andreas Jaeger wrote: there's
no need to query transifex IMO.
Katamo is wrong with ATC status for one year, this has changed,
See https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/45531/atc-pass-for-the-openstac k-summit/ with information for Tokyo summit (1st of April was cut-off-date),
Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj@{suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
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And one more idea: although some previous translators are not regarded as ATC, I think it would be much better to mention their Transifex ID (at least) to acknowledge their previous contribution or credit on somewhere, such as OpenStack wiki.
Agree with this point, it would be very useful if there's history of the statistics with their Transifex ID attached. @Daisy, does openstack keep the history of statistics everytime its compiled? --------------------------------------------- Alex Eng Globalisation Tools Engineering DID: +61 3514 8262 <callto:+61+3514+8262> Mobile: +614 2335 3457 <callto:+614+2335+3457> Red Hat, Asia-Pacific Pty Ltd Level 1, 193 North Quay Brisbane 4000 Office: +61 7 3514 8100 <callto:+61+7+3514+8100> Fax: +61 7 3514 8199 <callto:+61+7+3514+8199> Website: www.redhat.com On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ian Y. Choi <ianyrchoi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Daisy,
Thank you so much for your kind explanation.
I agree that all of translation data are successfully moved to Zanata, and I have no objection to remove current Transifex not to be confused for OpenStack translation contributor candidates.
I just worried that some guys might want to see previous Transifex history: who contributed to OpenStack translations later, since, the author of translation results from Transifex to Zanata is "OpenStack Infra", not actual translators, as far as I know. However, I also think that it is very difficult to keep all the history to public.
For my OpenStack translation stuff, I do not need Transifex any more. So if other translators also do not need to see to track previous translators in Transifex, then there is no more additional reason to remove Transifex except querying statistics.
And one more idea: although some previous translators are not regarded as ATC, I think it would be much better to mention their Transifex ID (at least) to acknowledge their previous contribution or credit on somewhere, such as OpenStack wiki.
Let's discuss on today IRC meeting :)
With many thanks,
/Ian
Ying Chun Guo wrote on 12/17/2015 2:39 PM:
Ian Y,
I will not use the official i18n repo to store those materials. I plan to store it in a personal repo in github, just to keep the history.
We have moved all data into Zanata while we migrated to Zanata in September. 4 months passed, we didn't get any complains about any missing data. We could be sure that all data have been moved to the new tool. So it's not that necessary to back up.
The only reason to support to not delete OpenStack from Transifex is that: it's easy to query the contribution data in any certain period through the web UI of Transifex. If we remove OpenStack from Transifex, we will lost the ability to query. I could export the contribution data for a certain period, for example, the last 3 years, from Transifex, and store the export data somewhere. But I will lost the ability to query any periods, for example, the data from 2015.4-2015.10 will not be able to get.
So we could discuss whether we need this ability in the meeting today. If we don't need, Transifex is no use for us. We could delete it safely.
Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)
"Ian Y. Choi" <ianyrchoi@gmail.com> wrote on 2015/12/17 12:21:34:
From: "Ian Y. Choi" <ianyrchoi@gmail.com> To: Ying Chun Guo/China/IBM@IBMCN, Andreas Jaeger <aj@suse.com> Cc: Robert Simai <robert.simai@suse.com>, openstack-i18n@lists.openstack.org Date: 2015/12/17 12:22 Subject: Re: [Openstack-i18n] Transifex
Hello Andreas,
I am copying & pasting from Andreas's comment to this thread:
+++ "Sorry, let me clarify this again: * ATC is one year (voting rights for i18n) * Free passes for OpenStack conference is 6 months
For ATC, you could take a one time snapshot as well now - going back to 1st of April, instead of saving it for later,"
=> Thank you so much for your nice clarification on ATC status and summit free passes.
We would vote this issue (removing on Transifex site) on today's IRC meeting, and yes. We need contribution statistics data from Transifex, and I agree that we can query and save Transifex statistics data (from April 1 2015 to now) and later we would merge this data with Zanata statistics data on next April.
And I am not sure exactly, but we might use openstack/i18n repo to store Transfex related data into a specific branch, not a master branch.
With many thanks,
/Ian
Ying Chun Guo wrote on 12/17/2015 1:21 AM: If we don't need the contribution data in Transifex, I think we could remove it.
As to the back up, it's a personal habit. I just want to keep it as the history. I will use a repo in github to store the documents, including an Excel file with the contribution statistic data.
Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)
-----Andreas Jaeger <aj@suse.com> wrote: -----
To: "Ian Y. Choi" <ianyrchoi@gmail.com>, Robert Simai <robert.simai@suse.com> From: Andreas Jaeger <aj@suse.com> Date: 12/16/2015 09:59PM Cc: openstack-i18n@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [Openstack-i18n] Transifex
On 2015-12-16 14:34, Ian Y. Choi wrote:
Hello Robert,
As far as I remember, on the last i18n irc meeting (Dec 03 2015 +6 UTC), we discussed this issue.
During the meeting, meeting attendees found that querying to Transifex statistics data is needed to check ATC status for the next OpenStack release, Mitaka.
ATC status is handed out only for people active in the current release, so for the next summit in Austin, only for people that were active in Mitaka time frame. And since we used Zanata for all of Mitaka,
On 2015-12-16 14:45, Andreas Jaeger wrote: there's
no need to query transifex IMO.
Katamo is wrong with ATC status for one year, this has changed,
See https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/45531/atc-pass-for-the-openstac k-summit/ with information for Tokyo summit (1st of April was cut-off-date),
Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj@{suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
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From: Alex Eng <aeng@redhat.com> To: "Ian Y. Choi" <ianyrchoi@gmail.com> Cc: Ying Chun Guo/China/IBM@IBMCN, Andreas Jaeger <aj@suse.com>, Openstack-i18n Openstack-i18n <openstack-i18n@lists.openstack.org> Date: 2015/12/18 05:26 Subject: Re: [Openstack-i18n] Transifex
And one more idea: although some previous translators are not regarded as ATC, I think it would be much better to mention their Transifex ID (at least) to acknowledge their previous contribution or credit on somewhere, such as OpenStack wiki.
Agree with this point, it would be very useful if there's history of the statistics with their Transifex ID attached. @Daisy, does openstack keep the history of statistics everytime its compiled?
---------------------------------------------
Alex Eng Globalisation Tools Engineering DID: +61 3514 8262 Mobile: +614 2335 3457
Red Hat, Asia-Pacific Pty Ltd Level 1, 193 North Quay Brisbane 4000 Office: +61 7 3514 8100 Fax: +61 7 3514 8199 Website: www.redhat.com
On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Ian Y. Choi <ianyrchoi@gmail.com> wrote: Hello Daisy,
Thank you so much for your kind explanation.
I agree that all of translation data are successfully moved to Zanata, and I have no objection to remove current Transifex not to be confused for OpenStack translation contributor candidates.
I just worried that some guys might want to see previous Transifex history: who contributed to OpenStack translations later, since, the author of translation results from Transifex to Zanata is "OpenStack Infra", not actual translators, as far as I know. However, I also think that it is very difficult to keep all the history to public.
For my OpenStack translation stuff, I do not need Transifex any more. So if other translators also do not need to see to track previous translators in Transifex, then there is no more additional reason to remove Transifex except querying statistics.
And one more idea: although some previous translators are not regarded as ATC, I think it would be much better to mention their Transifex ID (at least) to acknowledge their previous contribution or credit on somewhere, such as OpenStack wiki.
Let's discuss on today IRC meeting :)
With many thanks,
/Ian
Ying Chun Guo wrote on 12/17/2015 2:39 PM:
Ian Y,
I will not use the official i18n repo to store those materials. I plan to store it in a personal repo in github, just to keep the history.
We have moved all data into Zanata while we migrated to Zanata in September. 4 months passed, we didn't get any complains about any missing data. We could be sure that all data have been moved to the new tool. So it's not that necessary to back up.
The only reason to support to not delete OpenStack from Transifex is
In the header of a translation file, there is a list of translators names. For example, in the header of http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/horizon/tree/horizon/locale/zh_CN/LC... we could see: # Translators: # Alfred <alfredhuang211@qq.com>, 2015 # johnwoo_lee <lijiangsheng1@gmail.com>, 2015 # Tom Fifield <tom@openstack.org>, 2015 # Xiao Xi LIU <liuxx@cn.ibm.com>, 2014 # Ying Chun Guo <daisy.ycguo@gmail.com>, 2015 # 刘俊朋 <liujunpeng@inspur.com>, 2015 # 颜海峰 <yanheven@gmail.com>, 2015 # Daisy <guoyingc@cn.ibm.com>, 2015. #zanata # OpenStack Infra <zanata@openstack.org>, 2015. #zanata # Yu Zhiuguo <yuzg@cn.fujitsu.com>, 2015. #zanata # yan haifeng <yanheven@qq.com>, 2015. #zanata # zhangjingwen <zhangjingwen@cn.fujitsu.com>, 2015. #zanata pot files in OpenStack repo will not keep the history of statistics everytime. Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy) Alex Eng <aeng@redhat.com> wrote on 2015/12/18 05:25:42: that:
it's easy to query the contribution data in any certain period through the web UI of Transifex. If we remove OpenStack from Transifex, we will lost the ability to query. I could export the contribution data for a certain period, for example, the last 3 years, from Transifex, and store the export data somewhere. But I will lost the ability to query any periods, for example, the data from 2015.4-2015.10 will not be able to get.
So we could discuss whether we need this ability in the meeting today. If we don't need, Transifex is no use for us. We could delete it safely.
Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)
"Ian Y. Choi" <ianyrchoi@gmail.com> wrote on 2015/12/17 12:21:34:
From: "Ian Y. Choi" <ianyrchoi@gmail.com> To: Ying Chun Guo/China/IBM@IBMCN, Andreas Jaeger <aj@suse.com> Cc: Robert Simai <robert.simai@suse.com>, openstack-i18n@lists.openstack.org Date: 2015/12/17 12:22 Subject: Re: [Openstack-i18n] Transifex
Hello Andreas,
I am copying & pasting from Andreas's comment to this thread:
+++ "Sorry, let me clarify this again: * ATC is one year (voting rights for i18n) * Free passes for OpenStack conference is 6 months
For ATC, you could take a one time snapshot as well now - going back to 1st of April, instead of saving it for later,"
=> Thank you so much for your nice clarification on ATC status and summit free passes.
We would vote this issue (removing on Transifex site) on today's IRC meeting, and yes. We need contribution statistics data from Transifex, and I agree that we can query and save Transifex statistics data (from April 1 2015 to now) and later we would merge this data with Zanata statistics data on next April.
And I am not sure exactly, but we might use openstack/i18n repo to store Transfex related data into a specific branch, not a master branch.
With many thanks,
/Ian
Ying Chun Guo wrote on 12/17/2015 1:21 AM: If we don't need the contribution data in Transifex, I think we could remove it.
As to the back up, it's a personal habit. I just want to keep it as the history. I will use a repo in github to store the documents, including an Excel file with the contribution statistic data.
Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)
-----Andreas Jaeger <aj@suse.com> wrote: -----
To: "Ian Y. Choi" <ianyrchoi@gmail.com>, Robert Simai <robert.simai@suse.com> From: Andreas Jaeger <aj@suse.com> Date: 12/16/2015 09:59PM Cc: openstack-i18n@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [Openstack-i18n] Transifex
On 2015-12-16 14:34, Ian Y. Choi wrote:
Hello Robert,
As far as I remember, on the last i18n irc meeting (Dec 03 2015 +6 UTC), we discussed this issue.
During the meeting, meeting attendees found that querying to Transifex statistics data is needed to check ATC status for the next OpenStack release, Mitaka.
ATC status is handed out only for people active in the current release, so for the next summit in Austin, only for people that were active in Mitaka time frame. And since we used Zanata for all of Mitaka,
On 2015-12-16 14:45, Andreas Jaeger wrote: there's
no need to query transifex IMO.
Katamo is wrong with ATC status for one year, this has changed,
See https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/45531/atc-pass-for-the-openstac k-summit/ with information for Tokyo summit (1st of April was cut-off-date),
Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj@{suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
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Hello Daisy, Could you please tell us what are the next irc meetings schedules for december and january, I can't see them in the wiki... B.R., JF Taltavull French i18n team.
On 12/22/2015 05:06 PM, JF Taltavull wrote:
Hello Daisy,
Could you please tell us what are the next irc meetings schedules for december and january, I can't see them in the wiki... http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-i18n
There's an ical at: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#I18N_Team_Meeting Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj@{suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
Hi, JF The meeting date and time could be found here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/I18nTeamMeeting The agenda will be published one day before the meeting time usually. Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy) JF Taltavull <jftalta@gmail.com> wrote on 2015/12/23 00:06:27:
From: JF Taltavull <jftalta@gmail.com> To: Ying Chun Guo/China/IBM@IBMCN Cc: Openstack-i18n Openstack-i18n <openstack-i18n@lists.openstack.org> Date: 2015/12/23 00:07 Subject: Next IRC meetings schedules
Hello Daisy,
Could you please tell us what are the next irc meetings schedules for december and january, I can't see them in the wiki...
B.R., JF Taltavull
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