Akihiro Motoki <amotoki@gmail.com> wrote on 2015/11/11 12:45:50:
> From: Akihiro Motoki <amotoki@gmail.com>
> To: "Ian Y. Choi" <ianyrchoi@gmail.com>
> Cc: Ying Chun Guo/China/IBM@IBMCN, Openstack-i18n <openstack-
> i18n@lists.openstack.org>
> Date: 2015/11/11 12:46
> Subject: Re: [Openstack-i18n] I18n wiki page is translatable
>
> Hi Daisy, Ian,
>
> Thanks for the detail explanations, Ian.
>
> I am not necessarily opposing the current direction,
> but I would like to raise an issue of the process issue around this change.
> As you see in I18nTeam wiki page, not a small number of language teams
> has their own contents (Japanese team is one of them; 9 language teams).
>
> I believe more clear guidance should be provided.
> Such disruptive change
I noticed some wiki pages are not editable now.
Anyway, we need to fix this error firstly before we move on.
I have asked Tom Field to disable the translation of I18nTeam.
Hope everything runs well.
>
> I have the following four questions:
>
> * l18nTeam/team/xxxx is a new place for a language-specific contents?
> * How can each language team migrate their content if they want?
> Can we rename existing pages? (I could not find a way)
> Do we need to recreate a new page?
I plan to (1) disable translation (2) move team pages to team/xxx,
and then (3) enable translation
> * What is the suggested way to create a link to a language specific page from
> the top page (I18nTeam) or translated pages?
> I don't think using direct links is a good idea.
>
> * Who manages the source of translations?
> AFAIK, when the original page I18nTeam is edited, changes will not
> be reflected
> into the translation editor immediately. A translation coordinator
> of the OpenStack wiki
> needs to approve the change MANUALLY. It is not automated at now.
> I think this leads to mismatch between the source version and
> translated version
> unless Translation coordinator of the OpenStack wiki approves frequently.
> (There is nothing translators can do)
I appreciate any passion in translation, and
I don't want to say NO to any translation requests.
I think the infrastructure should support the translation request,
but it's not a mandatory order.
Each language team could make their own decision.
I noticed the changes must be approved after enabling translation.
I think some administrators will take care of those requests.
>
>
> In a longer term, IMO it is better to move all contents to openstack/i18n repo
> and make docuements in i18n repo translated. Wiki page are only used for
> contents more frequently edited.
>
I agree.
> Thanks,
> Akihiro
>
> 2015-11-11 1:55 GMT+09:00 Ian Y. Choi <ianyrchoi@gmail.com>:
> > Hello Akihiro,
> >
> > Actually I suggested a translatable I18nTeam wiki page [1] for Korean during
> > last Tokyo Design Summit.
> > After saying it, I found that there might be a problem in Japanese local
> > team
> > because Japanese language team already used /ja page, as you mentioned and
> > which would make conflict with translation functionality in OpenStack wiki.
> >
> > Let me first say why Korean translation page for I18nTeam is needed and
> > how Korean translation team wants to use two wiki pages separately:
> >
> > 1) https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/I18nTeam/ko
> > : To provide Korean guys with official I18nTeam introduction wiki page
> > : I think "Local Translation Teams" section is needed because this
> > information is
> > beneficial with the knowledge of the various language team activities.
> >
> > 2) https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/I18nTeam/team/ko_KR
> > (I found that Daisy moved from .../ko_KR to .../team/ko_KR. Thank you!)
> > : To introduce Korean translation team with details and our specific
> > translation rules
> > : Providing links for OpenStack I18n official introduction wiki page & its
> > translation
> >
> > I would like to respect I18nTeam official wiki page, and this information is
> > written in English.
> > In my opinion, translating this page would more clearly advertise OpenStack
> > I18n overall activities to more Korean.
> >
> > This requirement and need might be different from various local translation
> > teams, I think,
> > and I also would like to respect the ways Japanese team used more than 1
> > year.
> >
> > So I would like to suggest not to include "<languages />" tag on [1] .
> > As you know, OpenStack Release Note wiki pages such as [2]
> > contain "<languages />" tag and displays different language translated pages
> > on the top part.
> >
> > I think this suggestion would satisfy different needs from various language
> > translation teams.
> > However, if https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/I18nTeam page includes
> > "<languages />" tag,
> > then it would not fit to not only Japanese translation team, but also other
> > teams such as French, Polish and so on.
> > For Korean translation team, our official page contains the translated
> > I18nTeam link so it would be okay.
> >
> > I am not sure, but Daisy might already think so Daisy only moved from
> > .../ko_KR to .../team/ko_KR, and
> > did not include "<languages />" tag on [1] :)
> >
> > This is just my suggestion not to conflict with your team and to accomplish
> > our team requirement,
> > and I would like to listen Daisy's opinion and other language teams'
> > opinions.
> >
> > [1] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/I18nTeam
> > [2] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Liberty
> >
> >
> > With many thanks,
> >
> > /Ian
> >
> >
> > Akihiro Motoki wrote on 11/10/2015 8:48 PM:
> >>
> >> In addition, Japanese team maintains the original contents which
> >> are differ from the English version of I18nTeam page.
> >> Before enabling translation for I18nTeam, I would like to see a solution
> >> for language specific content.
> >>
> >>
> >> 2015-11-10 20:45 GMT+09:00 Akihiro Motoki <amotoki@gmail.com>:
> >>>
> >>> I noticed the existing language team page cannot be edited.
> >>> For example, https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/I18nTeam/ja exists from
> >>> more than one year ago.
> >>> After this change, we can no longer edit the original page.
> >>> What should we do?
> >>>
> >>> In addition, I18nTeam wiki page contains contents which is not
> >>> appropriate for translation,
> >>> for example, "Local Translation Teams" section.
> >>> As a local team coordinator, I don't like to display this section in a
> >>> translated version.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Akihiro
> >>>
> >>> 2015-11-10 18:11 GMT+09:00 Ying Chun Guo <guoyingc@cn.ibm.com>:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> As requested by Korean team, the wiki page of I18nTeam is translatable
> >>>> now.
> >>>> If you want to translate this page into your own language, please go
> >>>> ahead.
> >>>> Thank you.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best regards
> >>>> Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)
> >>>>
> >>>>
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> >
> > --
> > /Ian
>