Re: [Openstack-i18n] translating python clients

21 Sep 2015


      On 9/18/2015 10:54 AM, Akihiro Motoki wrote:
...
I have no comment on Liberty translation priority atm.
I think a couple of different topics are discussed at the same here.
* CLI translation priority
* Server side project translation priority
* (potential) usage of server side project translations in Horizon
We need to have more contact with project teams in the next cycle
more deeply to decide translation priorties before starting translations.
In the past releases, i18n team tended to start discussions after starting
translations and it is too late for the game in most cases.
Regarding client projects, I know openstackclient is our future and
the keystone team encourage to use openstackclient for Keystone v3 API.
However, regarding other projects like nova or neutron,
the progress of openstackclient integration is not well enojgh
and a new feature is implemented in each client.
Thus we need to consider the priority in the next cycle.
I agree with this.  We are nowhere near, as far as I can tell anyway, of 
deprecating python-novaclient.  The reason we pushed the changes to 
translate the project is because people are pushing changes into 
python-novaclient to mark strings for translation, but there was never 
any infrastructure in place to do those translations (the project wasn't 
even configured with babel until a couple of weeks ago).

So the feeling was, why not translate it?  It's easy to setup.  I agree 
that python-openstackclient is higher priority for the CLI, but 
python-novaclient is not going away anytime soon, especially now that we 
have microversion support in it for the compute API, which I don't think 
python-openstackclient has.
...
For other topics, I will comment on them later if necessary.
Akihiro
2015-09-18 22:33 GMT+09:00 Ying Chun Guo <guoyingc@cn.ibm.com
<mailto:guoyingc@cn.ibm.com>>:
very important information.
    I don't think translators would like to translate already
    deprecated or in the future deprecated clients.
    I might not be able to include openstack client in the Liberty
    translation plan.
    But I would put it high priority after Liberty translation.
    And next release, I will add openstack client to in the translation
    plan.
Best regards
    Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)
Andreas Jaeger <aj@suse.com <mailto:aj@suse.com>> wrote on
    09/18/2015 04:51:32 PM:
> From: Andreas Jaeger <aj@suse.com <mailto:aj@suse.com>>
     > To: Ying Chun Guo/China/IBM@IBMCN
     > Cc: "openstack-i18n@lists.openstack.org
    <mailto:openstack-i18n@lists.openstack.org>"
    <openstack-i18n@lists.openstack.org
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     > Date: 09/18/2015 04:52 PM
     > Subject: Re: [Openstack-i18n] translating python clients
     >
     > On 09/18/2015 10:35 AM, Ying Chun Guo wrote:
     > > Andreas,
     > >
     > > Forgive me if I ask funny question.
     >
     > There are no funny questions, please ask!
     >
     > > I see there is python-openstackclient in Zanata server.
     > > What is it for ?
     >
     > python-openstackclient is the "unnifed OpenStack client" that will
     > replace the per-project clients like python-keystoneclient (command
     > keystone).
     >
     > See http://docs.openstack.org/developer/python-openstackclient/
     >
     > > What is the relationship between python-openstackclient and
    other python
     > > clients ( e.g python-keystoneclient,
     > > python-heatclient, and python-novaclient) ?
     >
     > The goal of python-openstackclient is to replace these.
    keystoneclient
     > is already deprecated in favor of openstackclient.
     >
     > So, priority wise: openstackclient has higher priority than the
    others.
     > The question for me is whether we want to translate these already
     > deprecated or in the future deprecated clients at all.
     >
     > Btw. I also think that the python-openstackclient has a higher
    priority
     > than nova - but lower than horizon. Both horizon and the client
    address
     > the end user while nova addresses the adminstrator,
     >
     > Andreas
     >
     > > Best regards
     > > Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)
     > >
     > >
     > > Andreas Jaeger <aj@suse.com <mailto:aj@suse.com>> wrote on
    09/18/2015 01:45:37 AM:
     > >
     > >  > From: Andreas Jaeger <aj@suse.com <mailto:aj@suse.com>>
     > >  > To: "openstack-i18n@lists.openstack.org
    <mailto:openstack-i18n@lists.openstack.org>"
     > > <openstack-i18n@lists.openstack.org
    <mailto:openstack-i18n@lists.openstack.org>>
     > >  > Date: 09/18/2015 01:47 AM
     > >  > Subject: [Openstack-i18n] translating python clients
     > >  >
     > >  > We now have setup python-keystoneclient for translation and
    there're
     > >  > requests for python-heatclient and python-novaclient
     > >  > (https://review.openstack.org/224832heatand
     > >  > https://review.openstack.org/224222nova)
     > >  >
     > >  > Does it really make sense to translate these? Especially
    with the
     > >  > openstack client getting translated already?
     > >  >
     > >  > My proposal would be to concentrate on the openstack client
    and tell the
     > >  > teams to not mark the clients for translation.
     > >  >
     > >  > What do you think?
     > >  >
     > >  > Please see also
     > >  >
     > > http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/
> 073698.html
     > >  >
     > >  > Andreas
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