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Fwd: [openstack-dev] [all][i18n] Rework of translation setup
by Andreas Jaeger 28 Jan '16

28 Jan '16

FYI, I'll copy resources around for python-* and oslo.* projects, Andreas -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: [openstack-dev] [all][i18n] Rework of translation setup Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 13:13:50 +0100 From: Andreas Jaeger <aj(a)microfocus.com> Reply-To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) <openstack-dev(a)lists.openstack.org> Organization: SUSE Linux GmbH, Nuernberg, GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton , HRB 21284 (AG Nuernberg) To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) <openstack-dev(a)lists.openstack.org> Projects that want to setup translations for their repositories run into a few common problems and we're addressing these now to make the setup for everybody easier. The problems they run into came from limitations of the current infra scripts, so we rework the infra scripts. We want to have a simple and consistent setup for translations - with a sensible consistency. Right now it’s consistent for python projects but not sensible in some cases. See here for the full spec: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/translation_se… We're working basically on two major changes: a) The same setup for django projects. b) Locate files for python projects in a better place. b) only affects olso.* and python-*client projects: We need to update setup.cfg, your i18n file and move the files from $reponame/locale/$reponame.pot to $modulename/locale/modulename.pot - so placing it in your source directory and not besides it. While we move files around, we also stopped syncing of translations for olso* and python-client projects. So, please review these changes quickly and merge them. For a) we will review each django project and send patches for them as well. Also, we make our scripts more robust - and will document this properly. If you have any questions, please reach out to us. We hope that this will make translation setup for projects easier, Akihiro Motoki & Andreas Jaeger -- Andreas Jaeger aj(a){suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 __________________________________________________________________________ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: OpenStack-dev-request@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev -- Andreas Jaeger aj(a){suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

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Re: [Openstack-i18n] IRC meeting today
by Jeremy Stanley 23 Jan '16

23 Jan '16

On 2016-01-22 14:17:23 +0800 (+0800), Ying Chun Guo wrote: [...] > Zanata has API to query translators activities. [...] Oh, that's excellent news! Maybe the update I heard we were still needing was so that we could let non-administrators query that? > Adding them to "extra ATCs" is a way. > Are there any other options to grant them the election rights ? At the moment you'll need to continue updating the extra-atcs list. The tool which queries our contributors in Gerrit could be extended to also query Zanata, but I haven't even seen the API documentation for that yet so I can't gauge how long it would take me to integrate into what I have. Longer term, of course we want this data source automatically integrated with our contributor listing tools. For the curious, https://review.openstack.org/263971 is the current state of development on the new framework I'm using for determining electoral rolls and qualifiers for contributor summit codes. -- Jeremy Stanley

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IRC meeting today
by Ying Chun Guo 22 Jan '16

22 Jan '16

Hello, team We will have our regular meeting today, at 1300UTC in #openstack-meeting. I'm going to cover following topics: * Discussion: Glossary management process * Discussion: IBM contributions * Status update: Installation guide translation * Status update: Translation check website * Status update: Stackalytics feature Feel free to propose other topics if you like. Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)

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What's Up, Doc? 22 January 2016
by Lana Brindley 22 Jan '16

22 Jan '16

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Hi everyone, We seem to be more or less back into the swing of things here in docs land this week, with our meeting schedule back up and running, and now our very first full-length newsletter for 2016! We only have two and a half months until Mitaka goes out, but we're in great shape so far, with 345 bugs dealt with, and all the planned RST conversions complete. Most of the discussion this week has been around API documentation and Fairy Slipper, Docs Tools and some site theme changes, and a little back and forth on meeting times. == Progress towards Mitaka == 75 days to go! 345 bugs closed so far for this release. RST Conversions * All RST conversions are now complete! Well done to all the contributors and reviewers who made this happen so quickly this time around. We are now, with only a couple of exceptions, completely converted. Great job :) Reorganisations * Arch Guide ** https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/archguide-mitaka-r… ** Contact the Ops Guide Speciality team: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/OpsGuide * User Guides ** https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/user-guides-reorga… ** Contact the User Guide Speciality team: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/User_Guides DocImpact * After some discussion on the dev list, we're adjusting our approach to this problem. Watch this space. == Speciality Teams == '''HA Guide - Bogdan Dobrelya''' Meeting moved http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2016-January/008209.html. Kenneth finished his Galera patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263075/, there were also several patches from different contributors, so things are improving. '''Installation Guide - Christian Berendt''' AODH instructions near completion, EU/US meeting moved (Every two weeks (on even weeks) on Tuesday at 1600 UTC), APAC meeting will be dropped the next weeks if if not more participants join. '''Networking Guide - Edgar Magana''' No update this week. '''Security Guide - Nathaniel Dillon''' No update this week. '''User Guides - Joseph Robinson''' One patch combining Images and Instances content merged, and a patch on Shared File Systems is now available for review. User Guide team meetings are set to begin next Thursday, with guidelines for combining admin and cloud admin files a topic for discussion. '''Ops and Arch Guides - Shilla Saebi''' No update this week. '''API Docs - Anne Gentle''' Anne imported and triaged over 60 GitHub Issues into Launchpad bugs. Anne working on build jobs for making API docs with fairy-slipper: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269809. Anne emailed over 25 individuals about the plans for API docs and answered follow-up questions. Karen worked on validated Swagger: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266527/. Need to release fairy-slipper this week or next. '''Config Ref - Gauvain Pocentek''' No update this week. '''Training labs - Roger Luethi''' Liberty is making good progress, trying to get Liberty patches working. Early beginnings of Fedora support switched to CentOS. Copy-on-write disks for KVM. Bug fixing and refactoring, as usual. Early work on python port. Plan to host training labs on a web page. '''Training Guides - Matjaz Pancur''' German translation of the Upstream training (http://docs.openstack.org/de/upstream-training/) - this makes 3 full translations (en, de, ko_kr), ja is at 80%. A patch that enables direct bug reporting on the slides (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/259654/) several other patches. '''Hyperviser Tuning Guide - Joe Topjian''' No update this week. == Core Team Changes == The next core team review will occur on 1 February. In the meantime, it's probably a good time to go over what being a core means, and how the review system works. For more detail, see the Contributor Guide: http://docs.openstack.org/contributor-guide/docs-review.html Docs cores have the ability to +2 docs reviews, and they also have the ability to merge reviews. Reviews are merged by cores only once there's been *two* +2 votes, and at least one +1. There are very few exceptions to this rule, for changes that need to go through very quickly to resolve gate breakages or similar, but this rule holds in just about every situation. Cores are assigned based on merit, usually through the core review process that we do every month. During a core review, the PTL gathers statistics on reviews made, and patches created and merged, and uses that to determine who should be added to (or removed from) the core list. That then goes to a vote of the existing core team before being actioned and announced. Core team members also have the ability to nominate (and vote on) exceptional team members, where the statistics might not reflect the amount of effort they have put in. If you ever have any questions about becoming a docs core, or about getting your docs patch merged, you can contact the team on the usual docs mailing list, or ping any of us on IRC. == Doc team meeting == The US team meeting was held last week, you can read the minutes here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/MeetingLogs#2016-01-20 Next meetings: APAC: Wednesday 27 January, 00:30 UTC US: Wednesday 3 February, 14:00 UTC Please go ahead and add any agenda items to the meeting page here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_mee… Note that there is currently discussion about moving the US meeting four hours later to 20:00 UTC. If you have a strong opinion on this matter, make sure you weigh in on the mailing list thread: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2016-January/008206.html - -- Keep on doc'ing! Lana - -- Lana Brindley Technical Writer Rackspace Cloud Builders Australia http://lanabrindley.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJWoafKAAoJELppzVb4+KUyFR8H/1so79V/BvFSAehklcbyDmZG JYkHQwrMUiTREN0y4l2ccegtgYWKeXEd01holKTMxxzR1KAcibi2eBMGjizNbIdt L8Add2BIPB8zwlqR0zrBAVKzecUth4EpvWLBTU4UDuHIHoF6cyOL3RZWKmkEg7/o GD7H/Yt264qFFPmQ8t8Flq5mUE892s2aReDVFkXPmmkNzBtIGDmzu13P6Y5zX4YX xzUSWJmBDTJPaz/0IsG8Sc46R3gs15hV7wtcCPwVtQXVZ18mKkYYz02zKQzpW518 Z8ysKgwHYkRhn+cxgsg10bV8/NePyxvgvHnknTLpbBZOV700kCmSTEmP3V3LUQw= =6VAi -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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[OpenStack-i18n] Install guide finished translated Korean
by SungJin Kang 20 Jan '16

20 Jan '16

Hi, Install guide finished transtated ko_KR and review too. How to add draft site[1]? Thanks Sungjin. ps. not yet common-docs... [1]: http://docs.openstack.org/draft/draft-index.html

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What's Up, Doc? 15 January
by Lana Brindley 15 Jan '16

15 Jan '16

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Hi everyone, Welcome to 2016! A short newsletter this week as I get my feet back under me after my vacation. I hope you all had a wonderful holiday period, and got some well-earned down time. I'm looking forward to working hard with you all over the next few months to get Mitaka out into the wild :) == Progress towards Mitaka == 82 days to go! 324 bugs closed so far for this release. RST Conversions * All RST conversions are now complete! Well done to all the contributors and reviewers who made this happen so quickly this time around. We are now, with only a couple of exceptions, completely converted. Great job :) Reorganisations * Arch Guide ** https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/archguide-mitaka-r… ** Contact the Ops Guide Speciality team: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/OpsGuide * User Guides ** https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/user-guides-reorga… ** Contact the User Guide Speciality team: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/User_Guides DocImpact * After some discussion on the dev list, we're adjusting our approach to this problem. Watch this space. == Speciality Teams == No updates this week, as I'm totally disorganised. Next week for sure! == Core Team Changes == I would like to offer a warm welcome to Atsushi Sakai as our newest core team member. Welcome to the team :) We will resume regular reviews in February 2016. == Doc team meeting == There's been some confusion over the meeting schedule, but as far as I can tell, these are the next meeting dates: Next meetings: US: Wednesday 20 January, 14:00 UTC APAC: Wednesday 27 January, 00:30 UTC Please go ahead and add any agenda items to the meeting page here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_mee… - -- Keep on doc'ing! Lana - -- Lana Brindley Technical Writer Rackspace Cloud Builders Australia http://lanabrindley.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJWmHLwAAoJELppzVb4+KUydocH/30zQwOcQ7kOPSeWIYvGPJ6u /WO2Tv9QkoOZe4O7WulkTRXTsVTlr9lP3esANYf9Vys8E1720Wl3pPNL6YYJ8XCe 1WWIxZpZNiIRB86dfgJn6/oLdhNjAS6W6SvNHNKtecQ5m/6Kv0uRfpVHxw89BRBV +f5QvPnDsydUlKEamQJAyRWzKc6BnpM/AbgS20BL3/luhZpZI3V1Z2bnxbGJCRlD 10uAwY3+z6Oo3SCQI7HVe3TfZQDa6BBYPUK2KSlY5Kr8VjclEgy4tuootRd/4rva WCS4Z61XPvR6DQdLPS6RVCmCrkRtHd1yYeBZt5fP9GBDrXm2CUZipl13grZMXY8= =XuVl -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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FW: [Bug 1534418] [NEW] Wrong Chinese translation in OpenStack Liberty install doc
by Kato, Tomoyuki 15 Jan '16

15 Jan '16

Hi Chinese team, Please take a look at the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1534418 I can't understand what is wrong from the bug report =) > Subject: [Bug 1534418] [NEW] Wrong Chinese translation in OpenStack Liberty install doc > > Public bug reported: > > The original link is http://docs.openstack.org/liberty/install-guide-rdo/environment-ntp-control… > The translation draft link is http://docs.openstack.org/liberty/zh_CN/install-guide-rdo/environment-ntp-c… > > ** Affects: openstack-i18n > Importance: Undecided > Status: New > > ** Attachment added: "01.png" > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1534418/+attachment/4550272/+files/01.png > > -- > > Title: > Wrong Chinese translation in OpenStack Liberty install doc > > Status in openstack i18n: > New > > Bug description: > The original link is http://docs.openstack.org/liberty/install-guide-rdo/environment-ntp-control… > The translation draft link is > http://docs.openstack.org/liberty/zh_CN/install-guide-rdo/environment-ntp-c…

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Re: [Openstack-i18n] How do we manage glossary?
by Akihiro Motoki 15 Jan '16

15 Jan '16

2016-01-05 18:00 GMT+09:00 Ying Chun Guo <guoyingc(a)cn.ibm.com>: > Thank you for the patch, Akihiro. > I think it's easier to discuss in email. > So I copied your comments in your patch here. > >> Expected workflow: >> * add an entry to the master glossary: >> - Update glossary/master.yaml and review it on gerrit >> - Once approved, glossary-tool sync will update per-language glossary >> files and propose the update to gerrit (jenkins jos) > > In your design, when the changes to master.yaml is approved, how to trigger > the jenkins job ? using a tag ? > I think we could add one more action in this Jenkins job: automatically send > an email to i18n to notify that the glossary is changed. We can use 'post' pipeline to trigger some jobs when each change is merged. >> * update per-language glossary: >> - Each language team upload a proposed glossary to gerrit. A language team >> members review it and once they have a consensus i18n core reviewer merges >> it into the repository. >> - Once approved, a corresponding glossary PO file is generated and >> uploaded to Zanata. (glossary-tool write-po and jenkins job) > > In your design, translators will not use translation editor in Zanata to > translate glossary. > Translators will propose the glossary translation to gerrit. > I don't know if translators have enough training to commit a patch. > They may understand how to use Zanata more than how to use gerrit. > There is no commands to support uploading glossary to Zanata. > So the action to upload po files have to be executed manually. I think uploading glossary can be done by Jenkins job triggered by 'post' job as well. I agree that translators are familiar with Zanata rather than Gerrit to some extent. However, my question is still how to keep discussion contexts (or history/background). It seems Zanata history is associated with Zanata internal resource ID. I am afraid it can be easily lost and we cannot recover it :-( > How do you think if we change to: > - Update glossary/master.yaml and review it on gerrit. > - Once approved, glossary-tool sync will update per-language glossary files > and propose the update to gerrit (jenkins jos). > - The jenkins job will upload pot file in Zanata. > - The jenkins job will send email to i18n to notify the change. > - Translators log in to Zanata to translate. > - Jenkins job download po files to i18n repository. > - Zanata admin automatic update Zanata glossary. Again, how can we maintain discussion contexts? On the other hand, I might be thinking "context" too much. If we go to the above way you mentioned, I think we need to maintain discussion contexts in other places. If the team suggests to do so, I am okay. Japanese team actually maintains it in OpenStack wiki and it works mostly well except that we need to sync glossary manually, but it might be a small thing compared to keep "context". Keeping "context" will save time to explain why we choose THIS in our current glossary. If we do not have it, we need to explain same things to new contributors again and again, and this will increase the barrier to new contributors. >> * syntax when a review is proposed >>- 'glossary-tool' check verifies if YAML data is valid. It can be a part of >> pep8 target. > > Good to have syntax check. > > BTW, how do you think the advantage of YAML file, comparing with po and pot > files? > Because if we use po and pot files directly, we could put "note" as comments > in pot files. > Do you want "note" also be translated ? The only reason is YAML file is human-friendly and easy to edit by text editors. I don't think it is a good idea to edit PO file directly. The format is not human-friendly and we can easily make mistakes in editing PO files. "note" in a PO file will be overridden if the glossary is downloaded from Zanata. This means we need to manage PO files directly in our git repo. I don't think maintaining PO files is more difficult than maintaining YAML files. Finally, I would like to purge ancient glossary on Zanata as soon as possible. The current glossary harms translation and provides no value. Akihiro > > Regards > Daisy > > > Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com> wrote on 2016/01/05 07:05:51: > >> From: Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com> >> To: Ying Chun Guo/China/IBM@IBMCN >> Cc: "openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org" >> <Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org> >> Date: 2016/01/05 07:07 >> Subject: Re: [Openstack-i18n] How do we manage glossary? > >> >> Hi Daisy and the team, >> >> 2015-12-17 19:35 GMT+09:00 Ying Chun Guo <guoyingc(a)cn.ibm.com>: >> > Hi, Akihiro >> > >> > Please let me know your comments to https://review.openstack.org/258924 >> >> I commented your above review. >> >> I proposed a counter proposal https://review.openstack.org/261767. >> This is just an idea. I am open to the input. >> >> Comments inline below. >> >> > Answers to your question: >> > >> > 1. Context >> > >> > The current solution in my patch could not satisfy this requirement >> > about >> > context. >> > If we want to put context to glossary, we need to develop our own >> > extension >> > of sphinx-build. >> > How do you think the priority to support context ? >> >> IMHO supporting contexts is important to make discussion on glossary >> productive. >> As you can see in Japanese glossary on OpenStack wiki [1], I believe >> that discussion contexts >> are important for further discussions and it also helps new >> contributors understand the background. >> >> In my proposal https://review.openstack.org/261767, >> we maintain all contexts in YAML glossary files. >> >> > 2. Process >> > >> > If people want to change the glossary, e.g. add, update, change the >> > comments, add coments >> > following process is designed. >> > >> > a> the requestor submits a patch to i18n repo >> > b> core team approve the patch >> > c> the auto uploading process is triggered. terminology.pot is uploaded >> > to >> > Zanata for translation >> > d> translators finish translation >> > e> Zanata admin manually patch terminology.pot and its translationpo >> > files, > >> > and upload to Zanata >> >> IMO the glossary needs to be reviewed more carefully compared to >> regular translations. >> In regular translations, all translated strings are imported, but for >> glossary it is better that >> only reviewed strings are imported. Another choice is to use gerrit >> for the glossary review. >> My proposal https://review.openstack.org/261767 implements the latter >> option. >> >> Thought? >> >> Thanks, >> Akihiro >> >> > >> > Best regards >> > Ying Chun Guo (Daisy) >> > >> > >> > Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com> wrote on 2015/12/02 02:29:44: >> > >> >> From: Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com> >> >> To: "openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org" >> >> <Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org> >> >> Date: 2015/12/02 02:32 >> >> Subject: [Openstack-i18n] How do we manage glossary? >> > >> >> >> >> Hi team, >> >> >> >> Recently we added the glossary to the i18n repo [1]. >> >> I wonder how we can manage the glossary and am sending this mail. >> >> The glossary can be referred to in Zanata, so it would be useful. >> >> >> >> Mainly I have two questions. >> >> >> >> The first point is what is the expected process to manage the glossary. >> >> How can we update the glossary? >> >> When is it uploaded to Zanata for translations? >> >> >> >> The second point is how we can have the context. >> >> I think the second point is also important. >> >> Each entry in our glossary has some background, for example >> >> why we reach the current consensus. >> >> This kind of context is important to discuss for further improvements. >> >> >> >> I updated the glossary for Japanese translation last week >> >> and I added various description about backgrounds of the glossary. >> >> I feel it is important to keep the context. >> >> How can we manage the context? >> >> >> >> I don't have a good idea now. >> >> I would like to raise these questions for broader discussion. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Akihiro >> >> >> >> [1] http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/i18n/tree/i18n >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Openstack-i18n mailing list >> >> Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org >> >> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-i18n >> >> >> > >> >

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IBM translations to contribute
by Douglas Fish 13 Jan '16

13 Jan '16

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[all][i18n] Proposed change for consistent setup of translation - up for review
by Andreas Jaeger 12 Jan '16

12 Jan '16

Projects that want to have translations, need to setup their repository in very specific ways which lead to quite a few questions from some of you and also quite different solutions. Let's make this easier - and consistent. I've written a spec that aims to provide a consistent set up for the repositories and ask for your review and comments on it: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/262545/ Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj(a){suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

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