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Re: [Openstack-i18n] Criteria of Horizon language list for Mitakarelease
by Akihiro Motoki 22 Mar '16

22 Mar '16

2016-03-22 18:00 GMT+09:00 Ying Chun Guo <guoyingc(a)cn.ibm.com>: > Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com> wrote on 03/22/2016 02:27:21 AM: > >> From: Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com> >> To: "openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org" > <Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org> >> Date: 03/22/2016 02:29 AM >> Subject: [Openstack-i18n] Criteria of Horizon language list for Mitaka > release >> >> Hi i18n team, >> >> As Horizon liaison, I would like to ask you all about the criteria of >> Horizon language list for Mitaka release. >> >> The same topic was discussed several releases ago and the consensus at >> that time were: >> * remove all translations with less than 90% progress >> * update the language list accordingly. >> >> Translations were imported manually at that time and the situation may >> be changed now. >> I don't have an opinion and will just follow the i18n project decision. >> If no response or well-defined criteria, I will just keep the current >> language list [1]. > > Thank you for taking care of that, Akihiro. > I don't see any requests to change the language list. > >> >> The following is just information: >> We have four PO files (django/djangojs for horizon and > openstack_dashboard). >> The current translation import policy for each PO file is documentedhere > [2]. >> Each PO file is imported once the translation percentage becomes over > 75% >> and it will be removed when the translation percentage becomes less than > 20%. >> What is our criteria? > > My opinion is to follow the previous guidelines. Do you mean we should remove <90% translations and update the lang list accordingly? I made a quick survey. The result is not so happy, but I will just follow the team decision. We have four PO files per language for horizon. My understanding is 90% means 90% translations for all these PO files. Unfortunately, as of today, only four languages satisfy this criteria (90%): de, fr, ja, ko If we change the criteria to 66%, we will have three more languages: pt-br, ru, zh-cn. It is too sad statistics. openstack_dashboard/djangojs is the bottleneck of the progress. On the other hand, the current language list contains 15 translated languages: cs, de, en-gb, en-au, es, fr, it, ja, ko, pl, pt-br, ru, tr, zh-cn, zh-tw. Akihiro > > >> >> In future releases, I think we should automate this as a part of >> translation import jobs. >> I will reduce the work of horizon liaison. >> > > I agree. > > >> Akihiro >> >> [1] https://github.com/openstack/horizon/blob/master/ >> openstack_dashboard/settings.py#L198-L215 >> [2] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Translations/ >> Infrastructure#Translation_percentage_changes >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openstack-i18n mailing list >> Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org >> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-i18n >> > >

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Re: [Openstack-i18n] why is designate-dashboard excluded from the prioritized translation list?
by Akihiro Motoki 22 Mar '16

22 Mar '16

Thanks for your quick support! 2016-03-22 19:36 GMT+09:00 Ying Chun Guo <guoyingc(a)cn.ibm.com>: > Thank you, Kato. > stable-mitaka for designate-dashboard is created. The translation plan in > the front page is updated. Dashboard group is updated too. > > Best regards > Ying Chun Guo (Daisy) > > > "Kato, Tomoyuki" <kato.tomoyuki(a)jp.fujitsu.com> wrote on 03/22/2016 > 06:23:52 PM: > >> From: "Kato, Tomoyuki" <kato.tomoyuki(a)jp.fujitsu.com> >> To: Ying Chun Guo/China/IBM@IBMCN, Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com> >> Cc: "openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org" > <Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org> >> Date: 03/22/2016 06:25 PM >> Subject: RE: [Openstack-i18n] why is designate-dashboard excluded >> from the prioritized translation list? >> >> > hmm. >> > I don't know neither. >> > Maybe nobody proposed to add designate-dashboard in I18n mailing list. >> > And I don't think I see its liaison when I proposed plugin projects in > Feb >> > 29. >> > For whatever reasons, the reality is that we missed it in the plan. >> > >> > There are two possible solutions. >> > #1 we add it back to the plan. It has only 1 file with 68 words, > really a >> > very small workload. >> >> my +1 for #1 >> >> KATO Tomoyuki >> >> > #2 we told designate team that we missed it and we will include it in > next >> > release. >> > >> > I prefer the first one. >> > If you agree, I can make stable-mitaka version and we can ask Andreas > to >> > add the corresponding job. >> > >> > Best regards >> > Ying Chun Guo (Daisy) >> > >> > >> > Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com> wrote on 03/22/2016 02:59:53 AM: >> > >> > > From: Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com> >> > > To: "openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org" >> > <Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org> >> > > Date: 03/22/2016 03:02 AM >> > > Subject: [Openstack-i18n] why is designate-dashboard excluded from >> > > the prioritized translation list? >> > > >> > > Does anyone describe why designate-dashboard is not listed in the >> > > prioritized list? >> > > I see designate has assigned a cross project liaison for i18n at > least >> > Mar 4 >> > > (according to the wiki history) and the project seem to be taking > care >> > > of translations well. >> > > >> > > I have no answer for >> > > >> > > http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/090022.html >> > > ? >> > > Can we describe a reasonable reason for them? >> > > Daisy, could you follow up the mailing thread? >> > > >> > > stable-mitaka is not setup for designate-dashboard. >> > > As far as I know, they have setup translation support in the early >> > stage. >> > > >> > > If I remember correctly, we include murano-dashboard and magnum-ui >> > > because they responded in the -dev list. I am not sure we checked > the >> > > wiki at that time, >> > > and the nomination period is enough. >> > > >> > > Akihiro >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Openstack-i18n mailing list >> > > Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org >> > > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-i18n >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Openstack-i18n mailing list >> > Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org >> > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-i18n >> > >

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Re: [Openstack-i18n] Setting up stable-mitaka in Zanata
by Andreas Jaeger 22 Mar '16

22 Mar '16

I just added trove-dashboard for mitaka, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj(a){suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

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why is designate-dashboard excluded from the prioritized translation list?
by Akihiro Motoki 22 Mar '16

22 Mar '16

Does anyone describe why designate-dashboard is not listed in the prioritized list? I see designate has assigned a cross project liaison for i18n at least Mar 4 (according to the wiki history) and the project seem to be taking care of translations well. I have no answer for http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/090022.html ? Can we describe a reasonable reason for them? Daisy, could you follow up the mailing thread? stable-mitaka is not setup for designate-dashboard. As far as I know, they have setup translation support in the early stage. If I remember correctly, we include murano-dashboard and magnum-ui because they responded in the -dev list. I am not sure we checked the wiki at that time, and the nomination period is enough. Akihiro

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Re: [Openstack-i18n] why is designate-dashboard excluded from the prioritized translation list?
by Akihiro Motoki 22 Mar '16

22 Mar '16

Hi Daisy, Thanks for your reply to my rude mail forwarding _o_ > #1 we add it back to the plan. It has only 1 file with 68 words, really a > very small workload. My vote is #1. The following is just to record my memory. I think it was just a bad timing. We can improve the process in the future releases. * designate-dashboard is a candidate of the list, but we didn't see i18n liaison when the team meeting was held on Mar 3. This is the only reason. * In the mail to ask i18n liaison, we just asked to input his/her name to CPL wiki page if you are interested in i18n liaison, but we checked mail response only. * We decided the priority list just three days after the mail of i18n liaison request. Most teams are driven by weekly basis (IRC meeting or something), so three days is too short. Akihiro 2016-03-22 19:16 GMT+09:00 Ying Chun Guo <guoyingc(a)cn.ibm.com>: > hmm. > I don't know neither. > Maybe nobody proposed to add designate-dashboard in I18n mailing list. > And I don't think I see its liaison when I proposed plugin projects in Feb > 29. > For whatever reasons, the reality is that we missed it in the plan. > > There are two possible solutions. > #1 we add it back to the plan. It has only 1 file with 68 words, really a > very small workload. > #2 we told designate team that we missed it and we will include it in next > release. > > I prefer the first one. > If you agree, I can make stable-mitaka version and we can ask Andreas to > add the corresponding job. > > Best regards > Ying Chun Guo (Daisy) > > > Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com> wrote on 03/22/2016 02:59:53 AM: > >> From: Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com> >> To: "openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org" > <Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org> >> Date: 03/22/2016 03:02 AM >> Subject: [Openstack-i18n] why is designate-dashboard excluded from >> the prioritized translation list? >> >> Does anyone describe why designate-dashboard is not listed in the >> prioritized list? >> I see designate has assigned a cross project liaison for i18n at least > Mar 4 >> (according to the wiki history) and the project seem to be taking care >> of translations well. >> >> I have no answer for >> > http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/090022.html >> ? >> Can we describe a reasonable reason for them? >> Daisy, could you follow up the mailing thread? >> >> stable-mitaka is not setup for designate-dashboard. >> As far as I know, they have setup translation support in the early > stage. >> >> If I remember correctly, we include murano-dashboard and magnum-ui >> because they responded in the -dev list. I am not sure we checked the >> wiki at that time, >> and the nomination period is enough. >> >> Akihiro >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openstack-i18n mailing list >> Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org >> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-i18n >> > >

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Re: [Openstack-i18n] Will translation cleanup happen for Mitaka?
by Akihiro Motoki 22 Mar '16

22 Mar '16

Hi Daisy, 2016-03-22 19:01 GMT+09:00 Ying Chun Guo <guoyingc(a)cn.ibm.com>: > Hi, Akihiro > > I see [1] says the clean up patch will remove translations less than 66% ( > infra jobs will only delete translation files less than 20% ). > I remember [1] was an agreement made I18n team before. I was not aware of this agreement. Thanks. > I don't have strong opinion whether to clean up translations or not. > I respect any decisions made by you and Horizon team. I am really surprised. I have never been involved in the decision of translation cleanup. I don't know any decision around this by the Horizon team. Horizon team are always following the I18n team decision about i18n related topic. > If you are going to propose a clean up patch, I will suggest to follow the > same criteria in [1]. It is not a decision of Horizon team, so I am not going to do this. This is the reason I asked this. Thanks, Akihiro > > Best regards > Ying Chun Guo (Daisy) > > [1] > https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Translations/Infrastructure#Release_handling > > > > Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com> wrote on 03/22/2016 01:11:08 AM: > >> From: Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com> >> To: "openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org" > <Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org> >> Date: 03/22/2016 01:13 AM >> Subject: [Openstack-i18n] Will translation cleanup happen for Mitaka? >> >> Hi, >> >> I saw translation cleanup which removed PO files of less translated >> language before Liberty release. >> Will the same thing happen for Mitaka release? >> Is anyone from the i18n project aware of it? >> >> I cannot find good information on this. >> The only information is [1] but it looks a proposal. >> I am not sure where it is discussed and who is the contact. >> >> I am writing another mail as Horizon liaison which asks how to update >> horizon language list >> before the release. If some cleanup happens for Mitaka, I hope the >> language list update happens >> at the same time or follow the same criteria. >> >> [1] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Translations/ >> Infrastructure#Release_handling >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openstack-i18n mailing list >> Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org >> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-i18n >> > >

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Will translation cleanup happen for Mitaka?
by Akihiro Motoki 22 Mar '16

22 Mar '16

Hi, I saw translation cleanup which removed PO files of less translated language before Liberty release. Will the same thing happen for Mitaka release? Is anyone from the i18n project aware of it? I cannot find good information on this. The only information is [1] but it looks a proposal. I am not sure where it is discussed and who is the contact. I am writing another mail as Horizon liaison which asks how to update horizon language list before the release. If some cleanup happens for Mitaka, I hope the language list update happens at the same time or follow the same criteria. [1] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Translations/Infrastructure#Release_handling

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Criteria of Horizon language list for Mitaka release
by Akihiro Motoki 22 Mar '16

22 Mar '16

Hi i18n team, As Horizon liaison, I would like to ask you all about the criteria of Horizon language list for Mitaka release. The same topic was discussed several releases ago and the consensus at that time were: * remove all translations with less than 90% progress * update the language list accordingly. Translations were imported manually at that time and the situation may be changed now. I don't have an opinion and will just follow the i18n project decision. If no response or well-defined criteria, I will just keep the current language list [1]. The following is just information: We have four PO files (django/djangojs for horizon and openstack_dashboard). The current translation import policy for each PO file is documented here [2]. Each PO file is imported once the translation percentage becomes over 75% and it will be removed when the translation percentage becomes less than 20%. What is our criteria? In future releases, I think we should automate this as a part of translation import jobs. I will reduce the work of horizon liaison. Akihiro [1] https://github.com/openstack/horizon/blob/master/openstack_dashboard/settin… [2] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Translations/Infrastructure#Translation_per…

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Translations for release notes in Mitaka? Perhaps NO
by Akihiro Motoki 22 Mar '16

22 Mar '16

The release management team has changed the process of generating releases notes for Mitaka. Release notes are generated from YAML files in individual repos by using reno. My understanding is that we don't have translation support for Mitaka release notes. Is it correct? After checking the meeting minutes, I found Kato has an action item to talk about it with the relmgt team. is there any feedback? Personally I am okay with it. I am always using English release notes :-) I am translating release notes only for reading them carefully and better understanding of the release. Thanks, Akihiro

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Re: [Openstack-i18n] Looking for Translations for Nova Mitaka RC1
by Augustina Ragwitz 21 Mar '16

21 Mar '16

On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 12:34 AM, Ying Chun Guo <guoyingc(a)cn.ibm.com> wrote: > Ragwitz, > > I hope your team can cut RC2 on March 28, leaving a whole week for > translators to complete their work. > Please help to talk to nova team. > Thank you. > > Best regards > Ying Chun Guo (Daisy) > > > "Ragwitz, Augustina" <augustina.ragwitz(a)hpe.com> wrote on 03/18/2016 > 12:12:53 AM: > > > From: "Ragwitz, Augustina" <augustina.ragwitz(a)hpe.com> > > To: Openstack-i18n Openstack-i18n <openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org> > > Date: 03/18/2016 12:14 AM > > Subject: Re: [Openstack-i18n] Looking for Translations for Nova Mitaka > RC1 > > > > > According the agreement about StringFreeze[1], cutting RC1 means > hard > > > freeze and translators can get extra 10 days to complete their > > > translations after hard freeze. So I don't think we can finish the > job > > > next week. The translation work is planned to be finished at > > the early of > > > the week after next. > > > > > > Can you figure out when is the last day to merge nova translations > ? > > > > I will follow up with the Nova team to find out our projected > > timeline for RC2. We have our team meeting today so I'll bring it up > > then. I assumed it would be end of next week based on the date in > > Launchpad for the OpenStack project [1], but this might not be accurate. > > > > [1] https://launchpad.net/openstack/+milestone/mitaka-rc2 > The Nova team will need to cut RC2 this week because we have some critical issues that need to be addressed before translations will be available. We will include whatever translations are available at that time. We will then cut RC3 the following week per your timeline to ensure all translations are included in the final release. If there is going to be any change to this, then I will follow up and let you all know. We recognize the value of the translations your team provides and will make sure they make it into the final release. --- Augustina Ragwitz Sr Systems Software Engineer, HPE Cloud Hewlett Packard Enterprise --- irc: auggy

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