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What's Up, Doc? Holiday Edition
by Lana Brindley 10 Dec '15

10 Dec '15

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Hi everyone, This is my final newsletter for the year, as I'm taking summer vacation over the next few weeks (yay for Southern Hemisphere weather!). Your regularly scheduled programming will resume in mid-January. I would like to take a moment to acknowledge the incredible work of the entire documentation team, especially the core team who have worked all year to keep on top of reviews, the speciality team leads who motivate and inspire their teams each and every day, and every single documentation contributor and reviewer: without you all doing your little bit, we wouldn't have had the success we have had. Thank you also to our crew of support people: from infra and release management, to our subject matter experts and the wonderful people on the TC and at Foundation. Thanks for helping us be the best we can be. I would also like to make special mention of Andreas Jaeger and Anne Gentle, who both continue to hold my hand daily and make sure I don't make too much of a fool of myself in public. Your support and encouragement have been invaluable. While we're on the goodwill wagon: if there's someone (or something!) you would like to call out for a special mention, you can do so using #success in our IRC channel. All successes get logged here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Successes and it's a great way to show your appreciation for your fellow community members. == Progress towards Mitaka == 117 days to go! 150 bugs closed so far for this release. RST Conversions * Arch Guide ** RST conversion is complete! Well done Shilla and team for getting this done so incredibly quickly :) * Config Ref ** Is underway: contact the Config Ref Speciality team: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/ConfigRef * Virtual Machine Image Guide ** Is complete! Well done Tomoyuki-san :) Reorganisations * Arch Guide ** https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/archguide-mitaka-r… ** Doc sprint planned for December 21-22. Contact the Ops Guide speciality team for more info or to get involved. ** Contact the Ops Guide Speciality team: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/OpsGuide * User Guides ** https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/user-guides-reorga… ** Contact the User Guide Speciality team: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/User_Guides DocImpact * Waiting to merge the patch for the new Jenkins job: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251301/ which for now will be against Nova only so we can make sure it's working correctly before we roll it out across the board. Document openstack-doc-tools and reorganise index page * Thanks to Brian and Christian for volunteering to take this on! Horizon UX work * Thanks to the people who offered to help out on this! If you're interested but haven't gotten in touch yet, contact Piet Kruithof of the UX team. There is now a blueprint + spec in draft: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/ui-content-guideli… and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252668/ == Speciality Teams == '''HA Guide - Bogdan Dobrelya''' The change to shift IRC meeting was not accepted. Going to create a new poll this time with correct options suggested by Tony Breeds. No more updates. '''Installation Guide - Christian Berendt''' We require Debian Install Guide testers. Please contact Christian if you're interested. '''Networking Guide - Edgar Magana''' The networking guide had its first official IRC meeting: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/NetworkingGuideMeetings We are restructuring a little bit the wikis for better engagement with new contributors; Versioning spec for networking guide has been merged: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253283/ Working of the remaining actions items from the meeting: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_guide/2015/networking_gu… We have proposed a time and date for an IRC meeting covering APAC time zone: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254999/ '''Security Guide - Nathaniel Dillon''' Planning for a bug sprint and general triage/cleanup. '''User Guides - Joseph Robinson''' The User Guide Reorganization Spec merged this week, and the final User Guide meeting for 2016 has been rescheduled to next Thursday December 16 at 23:30 UTC, and the plan is to discuss work items. A patch for the User Guide Dashboard has begun using the blueprint implementation as a start to the reorg. '''Ops and Arch Guides - Shilla Saebi''' Regarding this spec - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227660/, we decided we are going to hold off until the N-release; Architecture Guide Swarm - Asking for everyone who wants to help to please use the https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/arch-guide-reorg to document potential changes; The arch guide RST conversion is complete; For the swarm, everyone works in their timezone. They will then submit patches and allocate team members in the other timezones to review; The final dates for the arch guide virtual swarm is: 12/21-12/22. '''API Docs - Anne Gentle''' Trimming down what is output so that eventually we'll get working Swagger migrated from WADL. Repo still awaits being pulled into gerrit: https://github.com/russell/fairy-slipper to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245352/ Nova API docs sprint 12/8 and 12/9 came up with good questions and answers and patches. Also, the Gabbi API test suite has a new release, see http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/081891.html '''Config Ref - Gauvain Pocentek''' The configuration reference RST migration is almost done, only a few more Block Storage drivers docs to handle. Thanks to all the contributors! '''Training labs - Roger Luethi''' Training-labs merged a KVM provider patch which allows the training cluster to build on top of KVM. The IP address ranges now match the install guides. The Liberty training cluster is being worked on. '''Training Guides - Matjaz Pancur''' Through no fault of Matjaz', this report was erroneously left out of the last newsletter, sorry for the delay: A complete Korean translation of the Upstream training material is officially published at http://docs.openstack.org/ko_KR/upstream-training/ (big thanks to Ian Y. Choi and KATO Tomoyuki) '''Hyperviser Tuning Guide - Joe Topjian''' Finished the first pass of converting etherpad notes to the wiki. I sent an email <http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2015-December/0091…> to the openstack-operators with a summary of the current state. Hopefully the guide will pick up two or three regular contributors to help things along. I'll continue to work on it 1-2 hours a week as I get time. == Core Team Changes == I would like to offer a warm welcome to Atsushi Sakai as our newest core team member. Welcome to the team :) We will resume regular reviews in February 2016. == Doc team meeting == We failed to hold the APAC docs meeting this week because I can't read a calendar, and clearly just need a holiday. My apologies! Next meetings: US: Wednesday 16 December, 14:00 UTC APAC: Will resume in the new year Please go ahead and add any agenda items to the meeting page here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_mee… - -- Happy holidays everyone, and remember to ... Keep on doc'ing! Lana - -- Lana Brindley Technical Writer Rackspace Cloud Builders Australia http://lanabrindley.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJWaj4RAAoJELppzVb4+KUyFoAH/jVqenzze6Pl6xF68dKBwouT ij8j80wBMdbUzyn4zc4726uxQ1TMdzXgK+8Q8Ouk4fOewn6cV9rOZJelpSPSboOR Lv4mjm172UxqnrN1npy5f9tB9EnIC/R8N0KlZHJmD0YJ/EbiJ0Hv/wl4/6+f8L7D Ns6iIUylI62a/ycIs7Wz5RGASaMZpZaP1XEeQtUoXbpIHggTlxPcHgETayHVnBMl 5qIuG5B5fgIOdUKQAa41SuMRCttxyHStXCFM/lborpDd6vEbMR2S/UbJb+7zh0jK PIACfhsnnZCBiZqno9NFnxBehdqTXpDG3crG0I9Ajd2YnEdhmFro+jMQr56lkGE= =1Kk+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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What's Up, Doc? 4 December 2015
by Lana Brindley 08 Dec '15

08 Dec '15

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Hi everyone, Slight delay in the newsletter this time around, it's been a busy week! I've been working on the DocImpact changes, reviewing the docs and docs-specs core teams, and catching up with blueprint management and reviews from while I was on leave. Since we're getting to the pointy end of the year, remember to call out successes using #success in our IRC channel. All successes get logged here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Successes and it's a great way to show your appreciation for your fellow community members. == Progress towards Mitaka == 121 days to go! 139 bugs closed so far for this release. RST Conversions * Arch Guide ** RST conversion is complete! Well done Shilla and team for getting this done so incredibly quickly :) * Config Ref ** Contact the Config Ref Speciality team: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/ConfigRef * Virtual Machine Image Guide ** https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/image-guide-rst and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/244598/ Reorganisations * Arch Guide ** https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/archguide-mitaka-r… ** Doc sprint in planning for December 21-22. Contact the Ops Guide speciality team for more info or to get involved. ** Contact the Ops Guide Speciality team: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/OpsGuide * User Guides ** https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/user-guides-reorga… ** Contact the User Guide Speciality team: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/User_Guides DocImpact * This is now well underway, with the first two patches merged. One changes the default bug queue for DocImpact back to the projects' own queue, and the other changes all current projects (with the exception of the six defcore projects) to their own bug queue. There has also been some discussion on the mailing lists about this process change. The next step is to merge the new Jenkins job (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251301/) which for now will be against Nova only so we can make sure it's working correctly before we roll it out across the board. Thank you to Andreas, Josh Hesketh, and everyone else who has helped get us this far, and to the Nova team who are allowing us to use them as guinea pigs. Document openstack-doc-tools and reorganise index page * Thanks to Brian and Christian for volunteering to take this on! Horizon UX work * Thanks to the people who offered to help out on this! If you're interested but haven't gotten in touch yet, contact Piet Kruithof of the UX team. There is now a blueprint + spec in draft: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/ui-content-guideli… and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252668/ == Speciality Teams == '''HA Guide - Bogdan Dobrelya''' Finished IRC meeting schedule poll, finalised the Corosync/pacemaker patch (https://review.openstack.org/235893) participating and tracking progress with the HA for OpenStack instances research (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/automatic-evacuation) to make it into the HA guide, eventually. '''Installation Guide - Christian Berendt''' Debian install guide nearly completed, testers needed; meeting time for the EU/US meeting will probably change from 13 UTC to 17 UTC; Aodh install instructions nearly finished, ongoing discussion because of missing SUSE packages; Japanese translation of the Liberty install guide published. '''Networking Guide - Edgar Magana''' We are having our first official IRC meeting tomorrow at 1600 UTC. The goal is to find out what we can to complete during the Liberty cycle and have specific tasks assigned. Relevant patches: Create tags for the Networking Guide - WIP (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251979/) '''Security Guide - Nathaniel Dillon''' No update this week '''User Guides - Joseph Robinson''' The User guide meeting on IRC worked, however attendance was down; the reorganization spec is updated with information from Big Tent Project navigator to define the scope (http://www.openstack.org/software/project-navigator) and information from the published nova-network to neutron migration study. '''Ops and Arch Guides - Darren Chan''' The arch guide RST conversion is completed. We plan on doing a virtual swarm this December. The doodle link was sent out last week and the poll is now closed. The final date for the virtual swarm is: 12/21-12/22. '''API Docs - Anne Gentle''' Working on usage docs for migration, how to build, what gets migrated, how the docs are assembled: https://github.com/russell/fairy-slipper/blob/master/doc/source/usage.rst Responding to spec reviews: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246660/ Revising patch to bring fairy-slipper into openstack org: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245352/ '''Config Ref - Gauvain Pocentek''' The RST migration is still in progress. The Manila section has been greatly improved in the process, and the Zaqar documentation should land during this cycle as the spec has been approved. '''Training labs - Pranav Salunke''' KVM port is almost done. Planned to merge this by end of this week; Network configuration for the cluster is updated. Now it uses same network addresses as install guides; Welcome berndbausch into our team; Liberty port is in progress. Follow https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/training-labs-liberty for more details; Need to decide meeting time for weekly IRC meetings. '''Training Guides - Matjaz Pancur''' No update this week '''Hyperviser Tuning Guide - Joe Topjian''' Still on schedule. Halfway done with a first-pass cleanup. Should be ready for open contributions within 2 weeks. == Core Team Changes == During last week, I announced some changes to the docs-specs core team. Previously, this core team was a small subset of docs core team members, with an understanding that we would wait for speciality team leads to +1 a spec relevant to their team before approving. Now we have formalised that process by inviting each speciality team lead to the docs-specs core team, so that they can +2A their own specs. Speciality team leads are listed on the wiki here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/SpecialityTeams remember to engage them when you create a new spec for approval. We have also reviewed the current docs core team list for December, and the results of that will be announced shortly. We will not be reviewing the team in January because of the holiday period, and will resume regular reviews in February 2016. == Doc team meeting == We held the APAC docs meeting this week. Big thanks to Joseph for running that while I was away, you can read the minutes here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/MeetingLogs#2015-11-25 Next meetings: US: Wednesday 9 December, 14:00 UTC APAC: Wednesday 16 December, 00:30:00 UTC Please go ahead and add any agenda items to the meeting page here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_mee… - -- Just a note that this will be my penultimate newsletter for 2015. Keep on doc'ing! Lana - -- Lana Brindley Technical Writer Rackspace Cloud Builders Australia http://lanabrindley.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJWZPzNAAoJELppzVb4+KUyT+IH/0yFFN5+X1WG5mbq+SUK0DnP av+pdcVbIlVpSuVgI5rV69ri3TwnU9DmFyJfOcx7h3ZRib3ri3T09UQ7L4A/EvfL Ar+AzG0OLriSLz1WJEVhg8VYkVuxVugIfAUvrKyNPIQs9sbDHQfmnpYoyZ8LB/TK tXd6+R15yMt+2KOPfKT2UMj8NUhf+XYxEpuW8TCTNss3GWlQZBHy9USNFfat+rzY MaLpUGGG6dviKgWGStGOD4I2JUIswobqFRdOKJ0a3h7vDEPeJMkr+OHDG3wzNMx7 n2TL5jAf2teIoys0sLP7qVRBD/c4cQHIGi0C70iWlqSrbG80yq27Prc0cJrl/VA= =rNRL -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Chinese (zh_CN) translations are broken
by Andreas Jaeger 06 Dec '15

06 Dec '15

The import of openstack-manuals for zh_CN fails: On liberty for doc/common-rst/source/locale/common-rst On stable for install-guide In both cases, there's a Backspace character in there (0x08 Unicode). I'm removing all these backspaces now and ask the translators to be careful, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj(a){suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

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CLI Reference translations
by Andreas Jaeger 06 Dec '15

06 Dec '15

Hi The CLI reference is autogenerated from the output of our command line clients and currently has no translations, I suggest to not translate it at all and have proposed a change to do so. It currently is just a lot of noise in openstack-manuals with the source pot files whenever we do an update (see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253794/) If there's interest later to translate the CLI reference, we can enable it again, Andreas Change: https://review.openstack.org/253803 -- Andreas Jaeger aj(a){suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

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Re: [Openstack-i18n] Chinese (zh_CN) translations are broken
by Andreas Jaeger 04 Dec '15

04 Dec '15

On 2015-12-04 10:32, Ying Chun Guo wrote: > I have connected with the translator and he has found the problem. > He said it was caused by the input method. > He has solved the problem. > > Thank you Andreas for the information. Thanks, Daisy! Everything looks fine now, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj(a){suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

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Install Guide translation
by KATO Tomoyuki 03 Dec '15

03 Dec '15

Hi team, especially Czech member, Just a reminder. As mentioned a days ago, the translation resource of Install Guide for Liberty is "stable-liberty" version at Zanata. "master" version is a draft for Mitaka. Also, to be honest, the guide may be heavily rewrited for Mitaka. Regards, KATO Tomoyuki > On 2015-11-17 10:49, Ying Chun Guo wrote: > > Hi, Andreas > > > > I see stable/liberty is created in the repo of openstack-manuals, > > and stable-liberty version is created for openstack-manuals project in > > Zanata. > > Thank you for handling these. > > > > Is the installation guide in the master branch keeping open for Mitaka > > release? > > Yes. > > > So in order to translate Liberty installation guide, our translators should > > go to stable-liberty and work there. > > Correct. > > > I have changed the link of openstack manuals in the home page > > translation plan > > to stable-liberty version. > > Correct me if I'm wrong. > > Looks fine > > Andreas

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Re: [Openstack-i18n] Chinese (zh_CN) translations are broken
by Andreas Jaeger 03 Dec '15

03 Dec '15

On 2015-12-03 09:43, Ying Chun Guo wrote: > Thank you, Andreas. > > Could you tell me what are source strings of the bad translations? > I will take a look and investigate the history. For liberty, it was all strings of the form "`Bugs: OpenStack Block Storage (cinder) <https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder>`__" Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj(a){suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

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Re: [Openstack-i18n] [OpenStack-docs] Usage of custom RST directives
by Lana Brindley 02 Dec '15

02 Dec '15

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 How will it impact translation? L On 02/12/15 23:21, Mariia Zlatkova wrote: >> >> At the moment I am not sure if I like it or not. But I think the usage of >> custom RST directives should be discussed on the list and if we decide to >> use custom RST directives they should be documented in the contributor >> guide. >> > > I think it makes sense to add this directive to the Contributor Guide (not > to copy and paste files to the repository and then update them manually). > > Maria > > On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Olena Logvinova <ologvinova(a)mirantis.com> > wrote: > >> At the moment I am not sure if I like it or not. But I think the >>> usage of custom RST directives should be discussed on the list and if >>> we decide to use custom RST directives they should be documented in >>> the contributor guide. >> >> >> I like the way a document looks like if we use this directive - it becomes >> smaller and, therefore, looks nicer. =) >> So I vote for adding this directive to the Contributor Guide conventions. >> >> Thanks >> Olena >> >> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 1:17 PM, Gauvain Pocentek < >> gauvain.pocentek(a)objectif-libre.com> wrote: >> >>> Le 2015-12-02 11:31, Christian Berendt a écrit : >>> >>>> Hello everybody. >>>> >>>> While reviewing a review request for the new config-rst-guide I saw >>>> the usage of the RST directive "remote-code-block". I never saw this >>>> directive before and after searching for the definition I only found >>>> >>>> https://github.com/openstack/openstack-manuals/blob/master/doc/config-ref-r… >>>> . >>>> >>> >>> This particular directive tries to reproduce the docbook <xi:include> >>> behaviour, to avoid adding loads of sample file in our tree. I'm guilty of >>> adding it to the config-ref-rst folder. >>> >>> >>>> At the moment I am not sure if I like it or not. But I think the >>>> usage of custom RST directives should be discussed on the list and if >>>> we decide to use custom RST directives they should be documented in >>>> the contributor guide. >>>> >>> >>> Agreed. To be honnest I planned to write to the ML but it just slipped my >>> mind. >>> >>> >>> Gauvain Pocentek >>> >>> Objectif Libre - Infrastructure et Formations Linux >>> http://www.objectif-libre.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OpenStack-docs mailing list >>> OpenStack-docs(a)lists.openstack.org >>> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-docs >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Olena Logvinova, >> Technical Writer | Mirantis, Kharkiv | 38, Lenin av., Kharkiv >> ologvinova(a)mirantis.com | +380950903196 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OpenStack-docs mailing list >> OpenStack-docs(a)lists.openstack.org >> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-docs >> >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > OpenStack-docs mailing list > OpenStack-docs(a)lists.openstack.org > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-docs > - -- Lana Brindley Technical Writer Rackspace Cloud Builders Australia http://lanabrindley.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJWX3PhAAoJELppzVb4+KUyD5IIAI78AYaDM00xzv1rmSyd7Pg1 3p0NrvZD2BtLPEiCq42B5DRWf2XNNnzbFGyqWvyT8ShD/94pr+5ASGceKv5t8P7H Rn0Gkc6idGKsv53ZKxWRHwizCm8mt+3VPiOQYZYhK4ghFII/mBY8kYNwnRQyyYHv rU5tdLNqOAlq36WqmVVbOUh0C3Rf3+YPs3BjcWNnnqVx11C/tPYJ5LR7oNHxW3jJ ZP0wZe9i/+6yOtH5dDxj0k4WnwXvdfXQPIAlHbpY1FvJUl8vsRMxrEe7s10AmpTS D2UybNqPg79PBdg7CUX6c72r+ASPw+LZTJeJm3vVpWY4izpmezZWt30drEUIgkU= =gnC5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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IRC meeting tomorrow
by Ying Chun Guo 02 Dec '15

02 Dec '15

Hello, team We will have IRC meeting tomorrow at 0600 UTC in the IRC channel #openstack-meeting. I'm going to cover following topics tomorrow. * Discussion: Bug management process in Launchpad * Discussion: Glossary management process * Open discussions If you have more topics, please propose freely. Best regards Ying Chun Guo (Daisy)

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Re: [Openstack-i18n] [OpenStack-docs] [openstack-dev] DocImpact Changes
by Lana Brindley 01 Dec '15

01 Dec '15

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 02/12/15 12:53, Armando M. wrote: > On 24 November 2015 at 13:11, Lana Brindley <openstack(a)lanabrindley.com> > wrote: > > Hi Akihiro, > > Judging by most of the bugs we see in the openstack-manuals queue, the > bugs that will be raised in projects' own queues will usually be against > their own developer documentation. > > >> I am a bit confused. The developer documentation coexists with the code >> that's being patched. Is this the documentation you're referring to? So for >> instance in Neutron we have [1] rendered into [2]. That's correct. > >> I always assumed that DocImpact was needed to flag configuration changes, >> and more generally user facing issues, and these are not captured in the >> developer doc [2] (afaik, *-aas services do have a developer documentation >> but no entry point in [4]), as developers are not the audience, but rather >> guide [3]. On the other hand, if patches do require dev doc changes (like >> design issues etc), reviewers tend to ask to take care of them in the >> context of the same patch, without the burden of going through an extra bug >> report. I agree, and that was the original intention, however it doesn't get used that way in the majority of cases we see. Feel free to use DocImpact (with a description), and then manually flip the bug to openstack-manuals in this case. > >> So the fact that Neutron's DocImpact changes raises a bug report in LP >> Neutron seems counterintuitive, and I am a bit at loss here. Can you >> elaborate on what was the rationale for making only certain projects target >> their own queues? I wouldn't want to have bug reports be reassigned to the >> right queue only to cause more burden that this initiative originally >> intended to relieve. We chose the five 'defcore' projects here, as they are the ones that are formally (and most extensively) documented in openstack-manuals. > >> Having said that, let's assume we are stricter about what gets flagged with >> DocImpact, would you be open to revisiting the doc group for Neutron as set >> in [5]? In the meantime, I'll go ahead and look at the outstanding patches >> and bug reports recently filed to sanitize with the best of my abilities. As we noted in the original spec, we appreciate that Neutron is on the cusp of being considered 'defcore', and we're happy to include it once that has happened formally. Thanks for your help. Lana - -- Lana Brindley Technical Writer Rackspace Cloud Builders Australia http://lanabrindley.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJWXmDwAAoJELppzVb4+KUyezMH/3WuKrW+8Py9XU3o2vddCK4c ZovehU0Xq1mHzzpfh8Vfc71MfJVAtotr9Lt0Vd5b4jAnjSWz7QI4/W2CG3d+aM+L FYPDn9koTC/+EsXlz8ekzLQUz6PToa21jfdmcg6tSAPA09FV5j7SPWIPXD9bvzun q9NWhs3jjj4hVtgUhmFdeC7B0vDzT6EWU2kAuSWwUEf7z2c3S7ZnuteyOKLf6aLZ rRbZi59ras8/3jI9EY8h6Wk47gQ3fLwvYyL/tHU9c2jOGPPz47f7HKaXVO0MQ58p E4V3nhGEITt3NMQH8m0IEW7JLd3tRX1C7ERKK05+k5yl7dirxKsysq52xJh0EMo= =1mW1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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