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[release][horizon][i18n] can we release django-openstack-auth of stable/mitaka for translations
by Akihiro Motoki 23 Mar '16

23 Mar '16

Hi release management team, Can we have a new release of django-openstack-auth from stable/mitaka branch for translations? What is happening? django-openstack-auth is a library project consumed by Horizon. The (soft) string freeze happens when the milestone-3 is cut. The milestone-3 is also the dependency freeze. This is a dilemma between dependency freeze and translation start, and there is no chance to import translations of django-openstack-auth for Mitaka. There are several updates of translations after 2.2.0 (mitaka) release [1]. As the i18n team, we would like to have a released version of django-openstack-auth with up-to-date translations. Which version? The current version of django-openstack-auth for Mitaka is 2.2.0. What version number is recommended, 2.2.1 or 2.3.0? When? Hopefully a new version is released soon around Mitaka is shipped. The current translation deadline is set to Mar 28 (the beginning of the release week). In my understanding we avoid releasing a new version of library before the Mitaka release. Distributors can choose which version is included in their distribution. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Akihiro [1] https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:zanata/translations+project:openstac…

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Re: [Openstack-i18n] Zanata Group for Mitaka dashboard translations
by Akihiro Motoki 23 Mar '16

23 Mar '16

Thanks Daisy! I am using this to check the progress of translations per language. The link like https://translate.openstack.org/version-group/view/mitaka-translation/langu… helps me. Akihiro 2016-03-18 16:04 GMT+09:00 Ying Chun Guo <guoyingc(a)cn.ibm.com>: > It has been corrected, Akihiro. > Thank you for pointing out. > > Best regards > Ying Chun Guo (Daisy) > > > Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com> wrote on 03/18/2016 02:44:39 PM: > >> From: Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com> >> To: "openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org" > <Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org> >> Date: 03/18/2016 02:47 PM >> Subject: [Openstack-i18n] Zanata Group for Mitaka dashboard translations >> >> Hi Zanata admin, >> >> I noticed Zanata group "Mitaka dashboard translations" has strange > entries. >> > https://translate.openstack.org/version-group/view/mitaka-translation/proje… > >> >> - two versions for django_openstack_auth : master and stable-mitaka >> - read-only version for horizon : master-old-keepforstatistics >> >> Could you correct these versions to the appropriate ones? >> >> Thanks, >> Akihiro >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openstack-i18n mailing list >> Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org >> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-i18n >> > >

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Re: [Openstack-i18n] Criteria of Horizon language list for Mitakarelease
by Akihiro Motoki 22 Mar '16

22 Mar '16

2016-03-22 19:56 GMT+09:00 Ying Chun Guo <guoyingc(a)cn.ibm.com>: > Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com> wrote on 03/22/2016 06:43:33 PM: > >> From: Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com> >> To: Ying Chun Guo/China/IBM@IBMCN >> Cc: "openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org" > <openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org> >> Date: 03/22/2016 06:45 PM >> Subject: Re: [Openstack-i18n] Criteria of Horizon language list for >> Mitakarelease >> >> 2016-03-22 18:00 GMT+09:00 Ying Chun Guo <guoyingc(a)cn.ibm.com>: >> > Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com> wrote on 03/22/2016 02:27:21 AM: >> > >> >> From: Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com> >> >> To: "openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org" >> > <Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org> >> >> Date: 03/22/2016 02:29 AM >> >> Subject: [Openstack-i18n] Criteria of Horizon language list for > Mitaka >> > release >> >> >> >> Hi i18n team, >> >> >> >> As Horizon liaison, I would like to ask you all about the criteria of >> >> Horizon language list for Mitaka release. >> >> >> >> The same topic was discussed several releases ago and the consensus > at >> >> that time were: >> >> * remove all translations with less than 90% progress >> >> * update the language list accordingly. >> >> >> >> Translations were imported manually at that time and the situation > may >> >> be changed now. >> >> I don't have an opinion and will just follow the i18n project > decision. >> >> If no response or well-defined criteria, I will just keep the current >> >> language list [1]. >> > >> > Thank you for taking care of that, Akihiro. >> > I don't see any requests to change the language list. >> > >> >> >> >> The following is just information: >> >> We have four PO files (django/djangojs for horizon and >> > openstack_dashboard). >> >> The current translation import policy for each PO file is > documentedhere >> > [2]. >> >> Each PO file is imported once the translation percentage becomes over >> > 75% >> >> and it will be removed when the translation percentage becomes less > than >> > 20%. >> >> What is our criteria? >> > >> > My opinion is to follow the previous guidelines. >> >> Do you mean we should remove <90% translations and update the lang >> list accordingly? >> >> I made a quick survey. The result is not so happy, but I will just >> follow the team decision. >> >> We have four PO files per language for horizon. >> My understanding is 90% means 90% translations for all these PO files. >> Unfortunately, as of today, only four languages satisfy this criteria >> (90%): de, fr, ja, ko >> If we change the criteria to 66%, we will have three more languages: >> pt-br, ru, zh-cn. >> >> It is too sad statistics. openstack_dashboard/djangojs is the >> bottleneck of the progress. >> >> On the other hand, the current language list contains 15 translated > languages: >> cs, de, en-gb, en-au, es, fr, it, ja, ko, pl, pt-br, ru, tr, zh-cn, > zh-tw. >> > > No, I didn't mean to remove <90% translations. > Did we do that before ? I re-read the old logs. My memory is not correct. We first import ~100% translated languages, and then relaxed the criteria to 90~95%. It seems I thought this is the criteria. After that, we discussed and agreed the criteria of >75% for addition and <66% for deleteion for each PO file. That's the history. > I thought the criteria was 66%. I got it. I just quoted the i18n team consensus several release ago and I didn't thought it has been updated as wrote above. Thanks. > I just realized the difference situation we met in this release. > We have included plugin projects. > Before mitaka, we only focus on Horizon translation. > If we only take a look at the completion rate of Horizon[1], I think most > active translation team have achieved >66%. So it means, we don't need to > remove any languages from the list. > If we consider the overall completion rate of plugin projects together > with Horizon projects, some languages are less than 66%. > My suggestion is to only consider the progress of Horizon project. > 90% is too strict, I think. 66% is better. Totally agree. I just would like to clarify the criteria. Is it okay that I just update the language list with >66% progress? Everyone can see the progress at https://translate.openstack.org/iteration/view/horizon/stable-mitaka/langua… I will decide the progress based on this. Thanks, Akihiro > >> Akihiro >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> In future releases, I think we should automate this as a part of >> >> translation import jobs. >> >> I will reduce the work of horizon liaison. >> >> >> > >> > I agree. >> > >> > >> >> Akihiro >> >> >> >> [1] https://github.com/openstack/horizon/blob/master/ >> >> openstack_dashboard/settings.py#L198-L215 >> >> [2] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Translations/ >> >> Infrastructure#Translation_percentage_changes >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Openstack-i18n mailing list >> >> Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org >> >> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-i18n >> >> >> > >> > >> > >

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Re: [Openstack-i18n] Setting up stable-mitaka in Zanata
by Andreas Jaeger 22 Mar '16

22 Mar '16

On 2016-03-22 11:39, Ying Chun Guo wrote: > Hi, Andreas > > Can you kindly add job to support stable-mitaka for project > designate-dashboard ? We just found we missed it in the Mitaka translation > plan. Luckily, it has only a small po file with 68 words. We still have > time to add it back to the translation plan. Sorry for the trouble. Please > help. I'll setup the jobs. Do you add it to zanata? Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj(a){suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

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Re: [Openstack-i18n] Criteria of Horizon language list for Mitakarelease
by Akihiro Motoki 22 Mar '16

22 Mar '16

2016-03-22 18:00 GMT+09:00 Ying Chun Guo <guoyingc(a)cn.ibm.com>: > Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com> wrote on 03/22/2016 02:27:21 AM: > >> From: Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com> >> To: "openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org" > <Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org> >> Date: 03/22/2016 02:29 AM >> Subject: [Openstack-i18n] Criteria of Horizon language list for Mitaka > release >> >> Hi i18n team, >> >> As Horizon liaison, I would like to ask you all about the criteria of >> Horizon language list for Mitaka release. >> >> The same topic was discussed several releases ago and the consensus at >> that time were: >> * remove all translations with less than 90% progress >> * update the language list accordingly. >> >> Translations were imported manually at that time and the situation may >> be changed now. >> I don't have an opinion and will just follow the i18n project decision. >> If no response or well-defined criteria, I will just keep the current >> language list [1]. > > Thank you for taking care of that, Akihiro. > I don't see any requests to change the language list. > >> >> The following is just information: >> We have four PO files (django/djangojs for horizon and > openstack_dashboard). >> The current translation import policy for each PO file is documentedhere > [2]. >> Each PO file is imported once the translation percentage becomes over > 75% >> and it will be removed when the translation percentage becomes less than > 20%. >> What is our criteria? > > My opinion is to follow the previous guidelines. Do you mean we should remove <90% translations and update the lang list accordingly? I made a quick survey. The result is not so happy, but I will just follow the team decision. We have four PO files per language for horizon. My understanding is 90% means 90% translations for all these PO files. Unfortunately, as of today, only four languages satisfy this criteria (90%): de, fr, ja, ko If we change the criteria to 66%, we will have three more languages: pt-br, ru, zh-cn. It is too sad statistics. openstack_dashboard/djangojs is the bottleneck of the progress. On the other hand, the current language list contains 15 translated languages: cs, de, en-gb, en-au, es, fr, it, ja, ko, pl, pt-br, ru, tr, zh-cn, zh-tw. Akihiro > > >> >> In future releases, I think we should automate this as a part of >> translation import jobs. >> I will reduce the work of horizon liaison. >> > > I agree. > > >> Akihiro >> >> [1] https://github.com/openstack/horizon/blob/master/ >> openstack_dashboard/settings.py#L198-L215 >> [2] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Translations/ >> Infrastructure#Translation_percentage_changes >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openstack-i18n mailing list >> Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org >> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-i18n >> > >

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Re: [Openstack-i18n] why is designate-dashboard excluded from the prioritized translation list?
by Akihiro Motoki 22 Mar '16

22 Mar '16

Thanks for your quick support! 2016-03-22 19:36 GMT+09:00 Ying Chun Guo <guoyingc(a)cn.ibm.com>: > Thank you, Kato. > stable-mitaka for designate-dashboard is created. The translation plan in > the front page is updated. Dashboard group is updated too. > > Best regards > Ying Chun Guo (Daisy) > > > "Kato, Tomoyuki" <kato.tomoyuki(a)jp.fujitsu.com> wrote on 03/22/2016 > 06:23:52 PM: > >> From: "Kato, Tomoyuki" <kato.tomoyuki(a)jp.fujitsu.com> >> To: Ying Chun Guo/China/IBM@IBMCN, Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com> >> Cc: "openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org" > <Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org> >> Date: 03/22/2016 06:25 PM >> Subject: RE: [Openstack-i18n] why is designate-dashboard excluded >> from the prioritized translation list? >> >> > hmm. >> > I don't know neither. >> > Maybe nobody proposed to add designate-dashboard in I18n mailing list. >> > And I don't think I see its liaison when I proposed plugin projects in > Feb >> > 29. >> > For whatever reasons, the reality is that we missed it in the plan. >> > >> > There are two possible solutions. >> > #1 we add it back to the plan. It has only 1 file with 68 words, > really a >> > very small workload. >> >> my +1 for #1 >> >> KATO Tomoyuki >> >> > #2 we told designate team that we missed it and we will include it in > next >> > release. >> > >> > I prefer the first one. >> > If you agree, I can make stable-mitaka version and we can ask Andreas > to >> > add the corresponding job. >> > >> > Best regards >> > Ying Chun Guo (Daisy) >> > >> > >> > Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com> wrote on 03/22/2016 02:59:53 AM: >> > >> > > From: Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com> >> > > To: "openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org" >> > <Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org> >> > > Date: 03/22/2016 03:02 AM >> > > Subject: [Openstack-i18n] why is designate-dashboard excluded from >> > > the prioritized translation list? >> > > >> > > Does anyone describe why designate-dashboard is not listed in the >> > > prioritized list? >> > > I see designate has assigned a cross project liaison for i18n at > least >> > Mar 4 >> > > (according to the wiki history) and the project seem to be taking > care >> > > of translations well. >> > > >> > > I have no answer for >> > > >> > > http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/090022.html >> > > ? >> > > Can we describe a reasonable reason for them? >> > > Daisy, could you follow up the mailing thread? >> > > >> > > stable-mitaka is not setup for designate-dashboard. >> > > As far as I know, they have setup translation support in the early >> > stage. >> > > >> > > If I remember correctly, we include murano-dashboard and magnum-ui >> > > because they responded in the -dev list. I am not sure we checked > the >> > > wiki at that time, >> > > and the nomination period is enough. >> > > >> > > Akihiro >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Openstack-i18n mailing list >> > > Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org >> > > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-i18n >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Openstack-i18n mailing list >> > Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org >> > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-i18n >> > >

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Re: [Openstack-i18n] Setting up stable-mitaka in Zanata
by Andreas Jaeger 22 Mar '16

22 Mar '16

I just added trove-dashboard for mitaka, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj(a){suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

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why is designate-dashboard excluded from the prioritized translation list?
by Akihiro Motoki 22 Mar '16

22 Mar '16

Does anyone describe why designate-dashboard is not listed in the prioritized list? I see designate has assigned a cross project liaison for i18n at least Mar 4 (according to the wiki history) and the project seem to be taking care of translations well. I have no answer for http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/090022.html ? Can we describe a reasonable reason for them? Daisy, could you follow up the mailing thread? stable-mitaka is not setup for designate-dashboard. As far as I know, they have setup translation support in the early stage. If I remember correctly, we include murano-dashboard and magnum-ui because they responded in the -dev list. I am not sure we checked the wiki at that time, and the nomination period is enough. Akihiro

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Re: [Openstack-i18n] why is designate-dashboard excluded from the prioritized translation list?
by Akihiro Motoki 22 Mar '16

22 Mar '16

Hi Daisy, Thanks for your reply to my rude mail forwarding _o_ > #1 we add it back to the plan. It has only 1 file with 68 words, really a > very small workload. My vote is #1. The following is just to record my memory. I think it was just a bad timing. We can improve the process in the future releases. * designate-dashboard is a candidate of the list, but we didn't see i18n liaison when the team meeting was held on Mar 3. This is the only reason. * In the mail to ask i18n liaison, we just asked to input his/her name to CPL wiki page if you are interested in i18n liaison, but we checked mail response only. * We decided the priority list just three days after the mail of i18n liaison request. Most teams are driven by weekly basis (IRC meeting or something), so three days is too short. Akihiro 2016-03-22 19:16 GMT+09:00 Ying Chun Guo <guoyingc(a)cn.ibm.com>: > hmm. > I don't know neither. > Maybe nobody proposed to add designate-dashboard in I18n mailing list. > And I don't think I see its liaison when I proposed plugin projects in Feb > 29. > For whatever reasons, the reality is that we missed it in the plan. > > There are two possible solutions. > #1 we add it back to the plan. It has only 1 file with 68 words, really a > very small workload. > #2 we told designate team that we missed it and we will include it in next > release. > > I prefer the first one. > If you agree, I can make stable-mitaka version and we can ask Andreas to > add the corresponding job. > > Best regards > Ying Chun Guo (Daisy) > > > Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com> wrote on 03/22/2016 02:59:53 AM: > >> From: Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com> >> To: "openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org" > <Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org> >> Date: 03/22/2016 03:02 AM >> Subject: [Openstack-i18n] why is designate-dashboard excluded from >> the prioritized translation list? >> >> Does anyone describe why designate-dashboard is not listed in the >> prioritized list? >> I see designate has assigned a cross project liaison for i18n at least > Mar 4 >> (according to the wiki history) and the project seem to be taking care >> of translations well. >> >> I have no answer for >> > http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/090022.html >> ? >> Can we describe a reasonable reason for them? >> Daisy, could you follow up the mailing thread? >> >> stable-mitaka is not setup for designate-dashboard. >> As far as I know, they have setup translation support in the early > stage. >> >> If I remember correctly, we include murano-dashboard and magnum-ui >> because they responded in the -dev list. I am not sure we checked the >> wiki at that time, >> and the nomination period is enough. >> >> Akihiro >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openstack-i18n mailing list >> Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org >> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-i18n >> > >

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Re: [Openstack-i18n] Will translation cleanup happen for Mitaka?
by Akihiro Motoki 22 Mar '16

22 Mar '16

Hi Daisy, 2016-03-22 19:01 GMT+09:00 Ying Chun Guo <guoyingc(a)cn.ibm.com>: > Hi, Akihiro > > I see [1] says the clean up patch will remove translations less than 66% ( > infra jobs will only delete translation files less than 20% ). > I remember [1] was an agreement made I18n team before. I was not aware of this agreement. Thanks. > I don't have strong opinion whether to clean up translations or not. > I respect any decisions made by you and Horizon team. I am really surprised. I have never been involved in the decision of translation cleanup. I don't know any decision around this by the Horizon team. Horizon team are always following the I18n team decision about i18n related topic. > If you are going to propose a clean up patch, I will suggest to follow the > same criteria in [1]. It is not a decision of Horizon team, so I am not going to do this. This is the reason I asked this. Thanks, Akihiro > > Best regards > Ying Chun Guo (Daisy) > > [1] > https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Translations/Infrastructure#Release_handling > > > > Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com> wrote on 03/22/2016 01:11:08 AM: > >> From: Akihiro Motoki <amotoki(a)gmail.com> >> To: "openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org" > <Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org> >> Date: 03/22/2016 01:13 AM >> Subject: [Openstack-i18n] Will translation cleanup happen for Mitaka? >> >> Hi, >> >> I saw translation cleanup which removed PO files of less translated >> language before Liberty release. >> Will the same thing happen for Mitaka release? >> Is anyone from the i18n project aware of it? >> >> I cannot find good information on this. >> The only information is [1] but it looks a proposal. >> I am not sure where it is discussed and who is the contact. >> >> I am writing another mail as Horizon liaison which asks how to update >> horizon language list >> before the release. If some cleanup happens for Mitaka, I hope the >> language list update happens >> at the same time or follow the same criteria. >> >> [1] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Translations/ >> Infrastructure#Release_handling >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Openstack-i18n mailing list >> Openstack-i18n(a)lists.openstack.org >> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-i18n >> > >

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