[Freezer] Is Freezer dead?
Hi folks,
is Freezer still supported? I don't see any real development going on with it.
Is it recommended to use in a production Cloud environment?
Are there other free and open source alternatives to Freezer?
Thanks Roby
It's been an abandonware for at least a couple of years. Not sure about alternatives.
/Z
On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 at 11:35, pi3.14@tuta.io wrote:
Hi folks,
is Freezer still supported? I don't see any real development going on with it.
Is it recommended to use in a production Cloud environment?
Are there other free and open source alternatives to Freezer?
Thanks Roby
Hey Zakhar & Roby,
As far as governance is concerned, Freezer still exists. But I see in git, no commits since the last 8 months. Based on your comment, do you have experience that reflects it's not functional? If it truly is abandoned, we should ensure the governance reflects that -- but right now we have the impression it should work, and was included in the bobcat release: https://releases.openstack.org/bobcat/index.html#bobcat-freezer.
Thanks, Jay Faulkner OpenStack TC Chair
On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 2:07 AM Zakhar Kirpichenko zakhar@gmail.com wrote:
It's been an abandonware for at least a couple of years. Not sure about alternatives.
/Z
On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 at 11:35, pi3.14@tuta.io wrote:
Hi folks,
is Freezer still supported? I don't see any real development going on with it.
Is it recommended to use in a production Cloud environment?
Are there other free and open source alternatives to Freezer?
Thanks Roby
Thank you, Jay.
I haven't tried Freezer lately, but we tried it a couple of years ago in our Wallaby lab and couldn't get the backend to work properly, the UI code also had some issues. Our attempts to get in touch with the devs were unsuccessful, we've never heard back. We haven't touched Freezer since then, thus I'd like to correct my statement to "after trying it and attempting to get in touch with its devs, my team assumed that Freezer was abandoned". I'd be glad to find out that it's alive, but don't have high hopes.
/Z
On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 at 19:14, Jay Faulkner jay@gr-oss.io wrote:
Hey Zakhar & Roby,
As far as governance is concerned, Freezer still exists. But I see in git, no commits since the last 8 months. Based on your comment, do you have experience that reflects it's not functional? If it truly is abandoned, we should ensure the governance reflects that -- but right now we have the impression it should work, and was included in the bobcat release: https://releases.openstack.org/bobcat/index.html#bobcat-freezer.
Thanks, Jay Faulkner OpenStack TC Chair
On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 2:07 AM Zakhar Kirpichenko zakhar@gmail.com wrote:
It's been an abandonware for at least a couple of years. Not sure about alternatives.
/Z
On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 at 11:35, pi3.14@tuta.io wrote:
Hi folks,
is Freezer still supported? I don't see any real development going on with it.
Is it recommended to use in a production Cloud environment?
Are there other free and open source alternatives to Freezer?
Thanks Roby
Hi，folks，
Recently I have tested freezer, and it still works.
I want to submit some patches which would make Freezer more easy-to-use, but I found the ci-jobs not fixed for long time. I think the most important thing is to solve the ci-jobs firstly. Then there would be new commits.
Would some one help this project back to routine maintenance?
发件人: Zakhar Kirpichenko zakhar@gmail.com 发送时间: 2023年10月25日 1:24 收件人: Jay Faulkner jay@gr-oss.io 抄送: Openstack Discuss openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org 主题: Re: [Freezer] Is Freezer dead?
Thank you, Jay.
I haven't tried Freezer lately, but we tried it a couple of years ago in our Wallaby lab and couldn't get the backend to work properly, the UI code also had some issues. Our attempts to get in touch with the devs were unsuccessful, we've never heard back. We haven't touched Freezer since then, thus I'd like to correct my statement to "after trying it and attempting to get in touch with its devs, my team assumed that Freezer was abandoned". I'd be glad to find out that it's alive, but don't have high hopes.
/Z
On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 at 19:14, Jay Faulkner <jay@gr-oss.io mailto:jay@gr-oss.io > wrote:
Hey Zakhar & Roby,
As far as governance is concerned, Freezer still exists. But I see in git, no commits since the last 8 months. Based on your comment, do you have experience that reflects it's not functional? If it truly is abandoned, we should ensure the governance reflects that -- but right now we have the impression it should work, and was included in the bobcat release: https://releases.openstack.org/bobcat/index.html#bobcat-freezer.
Thanks,
Jay Faulkner
OpenStack TC Chair
On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 2:07 AM Zakhar Kirpichenko <zakhar@gmail.com mailto:zakhar@gmail.com > wrote:
It's been an abandonware for at least a couple of years. Not sure about alternatives.
/Z
On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 at 11:35, <pi3.14@tuta.io mailto:pi3.14@tuta.io > wrote:
Hi folks,
is Freezer still supported? I don't see any real development going on with it.
Is it recommended to use in a production Cloud environment?
Are there other free and open source alternatives to Freezer?
Thanks Roby
last week I started installing and using Freezer. Unfortunately I had many problems. - The documentation is not maintained and complete - The Freezer-web-UI integration/plugin in Horizon does not work properly - There are still many bugs. Many open bugs older than 7 years - I don't see any changes in the release notes (bug fixes, new features, ...). The latest release notes are from Ussuri and Pike. (Could also be due to poor documentation).
I can't say what my experience will be with the contribution to Freezer, as I haven't done it yet. But I'd like to report on the bugs I've encountered while using/installing Freezer. I have fixed some old bugs now and will try to commit them later. Hopefully I won't face any problems with the ci-jobs as Sam Su mentioned.
I just want to ensure that my time investigating Freezer is not wasted and that the project is still alive and being maintained.
Would some one help this project back to routine maintenance?
+1
Zakhar Kirpichenko wrote: Sam Su (苏正伟) wrote:
Hi，folks， Recently I have tested freezer, and it still works. I want to submit some patches which would make Freezer more easy-to-use, but I found the ci-jobs not fixed for long time. I think the most important thing is to solve the ci-jobs firstly. Then there would be new commits. Would some one help this project back to routine maintenance?
Thank you, Jay. I haven't tried Freezer lately, but we tried it a couple of years ago in our Wallaby lab and couldn't get the backend to work properly, the UI code also had some issues. Our attempts to get in touch with the devs were unsuccessful, we've never heard back. We haven't touched Freezer since then, thus I'd like to correct my statement to "after trying it and attempting to get in touch with its devs, my team assumed that Freezer was abandoned". I'd be glad to find out that it's alive, but don't have high hopes. /Z On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 at 19:14, Jay Faulkner jay@gr-oss.io wrote:
Hey Zakhar & Roby, As far as governance is concerned, Freezer still exists. But I see in git, no commits since the last 8 months. Based on your comment, do you have experience that reflects it's not functional? If it truly is abandoned, we should ensure the governance reflects that -- but right now we have the impression it should work, and was included in the bobcat release: https://releases.openstack.org/bobcat/index.html#bobcat-freezer. Thanks, Jay Faulkner OpenStack TC Chair On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 2:07 AM Zakhar Kirpichenko zakhar@gmail.com wrote: It's been an abandonware for at least a couple of years. Not sure about alternatives. /Z On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 at 11:35, pi3.14@tuta.io wrote: Hi folks, is Freezer still supported? I don't see any real development going on with it. Is it recommended to use in a production Cloud environment? Are there other free and open source alternatives to Freezer? Thanks Roby
I’m also interested in freezer but as you said because of no activity I’m hesitant to deploy.
On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 10:58 PM Sam Su (苏正伟) suzhengwei@inspur.com wrote:
Hi，folks，
Recently I have tested freezer, and it still works.
I want to submit some patches which would make Freezer more easy-to-use, but I found the ci-jobs not fixed for long time. I think the most important thing is to solve the ci-jobs firstly. Then there would be new commits.
Would some one help this project back to routine maintenance?
*发件人:* Zakhar Kirpichenko zakhar@gmail.com *发送时间:* 2023年10月25日 1:24 *收件人:* Jay Faulkner jay@gr-oss.io *抄送:* Openstack Discuss openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org *主题:* Re: [Freezer] Is Freezer dead?
Thank you, Jay.
I haven't tried Freezer lately, but we tried it a couple of years ago in our Wallaby lab and couldn't get the backend to work properly, the UI code also had some issues. Our attempts to get in touch with the devs were unsuccessful, we've never heard back. We haven't touched Freezer since then, thus I'd like to correct my statement to "after trying it and attempting to get in touch with its devs, my team assumed that Freezer was abandoned". I'd be glad to find out that it's alive, but don't have high hopes.
/Z
On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 at 19:14, Jay Faulkner jay@gr-oss.io wrote:
Hey Zakhar & Roby,
As far as governance is concerned, Freezer still exists. But I see in git, no commits since the last 8 months. Based on your comment, do you have experience that reflects it's not functional? If it truly is abandoned, we should ensure the governance reflects that -- but right now we have the impression it should work, and was included in the bobcat release: https://releases.openstack.org/bobcat/index.html#bobcat-freezer.
Thanks,
Jay Faulkner
OpenStack TC Chair
On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 2:07 AM Zakhar Kirpichenko zakhar@gmail.com wrote:
It's been an abandonware for at least a couple of years. Not sure about alternatives.
/Z
On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 at 11:35, pi3.14@tuta.io wrote:
Hi folks,
is Freezer still supported? I don't see any real development going on with it.
Is it recommended to use in a production Cloud environment?
Are there other free and open source alternatives to Freezer?
Thanks Roby
If somebody can explain me about the ci jobs, I can help.
Cheers.
--- Alvaro Soto.
Note: My work hours may not be your work hours. Please do not feel the need to respond during a time that is not convenient for you. ---------------------------------------------------------- Great people talk about ideas, ordinary people talk about things, small people talk... about other people.
On Sat, Mar 9, 2024, 5:02 PM Satish Patel satish.txt@gmail.com wrote:
I’m also interested in freezer but as you said because of no activity I’m hesitant to deploy.
On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 10:58 PM Sam Su (苏正伟) suzhengwei@inspur.com wrote:
Hi，folks，
Recently I have tested freezer, and it still works.
I want to submit some patches which would make Freezer more easy-to-use, but I found the ci-jobs not fixed for long time. I think the most important thing is to solve the ci-jobs firstly. Then there would be new commits.
Would some one help this project back to routine maintenance?
*发件人:* Zakhar Kirpichenko zakhar@gmail.com *发送时间:* 2023年10月25日 1:24 *收件人:* Jay Faulkner jay@gr-oss.io *抄送:* Openstack Discuss openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org *主题:* Re: [Freezer] Is Freezer dead?
Thank you, Jay.
I haven't tried Freezer lately, but we tried it a couple of years ago in our Wallaby lab and couldn't get the backend to work properly, the UI code also had some issues. Our attempts to get in touch with the devs were unsuccessful, we've never heard back. We haven't touched Freezer since then, thus I'd like to correct my statement to "after trying it and attempting to get in touch with its devs, my team assumed that Freezer was abandoned". I'd be glad to find out that it's alive, but don't have high hopes.
/Z
On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 at 19:14, Jay Faulkner jay@gr-oss.io wrote:
Hey Zakhar & Roby,
As far as governance is concerned, Freezer still exists. But I see in git, no commits since the last 8 months. Based on your comment, do you have experience that reflects it's not functional? If it truly is abandoned, we should ensure the governance reflects that -- but right now we have the impression it should work, and was included in the bobcat release: https://releases.openstack.org/bobcat/index.html#bobcat-freezer.
Thanks,
Jay Faulkner
OpenStack TC Chair
On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 2:07 AM Zakhar Kirpichenko zakhar@gmail.com wrote:
It's been an abandonware for at least a couple of years. Not sure about alternatives.
/Z
On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 at 11:35, pi3.14@tuta.io wrote:
Hi folks,
is Freezer still supported? I don't see any real development going on with it.
Is it recommended to use in a production Cloud environment?
Are there other free and open source alternatives to Freezer?
Thanks Roby
If I am not mistaken here are the ci-job https://review.opendev.org/q/project:openstack/freezer+status:open
On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 6:27 PM Alvaro Soto alsotoes@gmail.com wrote:
If somebody can explain me about the ci jobs, I can help.
Cheers.
Alvaro Soto.
Note: My work hours may not be your work hours. Please do not feel the need to respond during a time that is not convenient for you.
Great people talk about ideas, ordinary people talk about things, small people talk... about other people.
On Sat, Mar 9, 2024, 5:02 PM Satish Patel satish.txt@gmail.com wrote:
I’m also interested in freezer but as you said because of no activity I’m hesitant to deploy.
On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 10:58 PM Sam Su (苏正伟) suzhengwei@inspur.com wrote:
Hi，folks，
Recently I have tested freezer, and it still works.
I want to submit some patches which would make Freezer more easy-to-use, but I found the ci-jobs not fixed for long time. I think the most important thing is to solve the ci-jobs firstly. Then there would be new commits.
Would some one help this project back to routine maintenance?
*发件人:* Zakhar Kirpichenko zakhar@gmail.com *发送时间:* 2023年10月25日 1:24 *收件人:* Jay Faulkner jay@gr-oss.io *抄送:* Openstack Discuss openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org *主题:* Re: [Freezer] Is Freezer dead?
Thank you, Jay.
I haven't tried Freezer lately, but we tried it a couple of years ago in our Wallaby lab and couldn't get the backend to work properly, the UI code also had some issues. Our attempts to get in touch with the devs were unsuccessful, we've never heard back. We haven't touched Freezer since then, thus I'd like to correct my statement to "after trying it and attempting to get in touch with its devs, my team assumed that Freezer was abandoned". I'd be glad to find out that it's alive, but don't have high hopes.
/Z
On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 at 19:14, Jay Faulkner jay@gr-oss.io wrote:
Hey Zakhar & Roby,
As far as governance is concerned, Freezer still exists. But I see in git, no commits since the last 8 months. Based on your comment, do you have experience that reflects it's not functional? If it truly is abandoned, we should ensure the governance reflects that -- but right now we have the impression it should work, and was included in the bobcat release: https://releases.openstack.org/bobcat/index.html#bobcat-freezer.
Thanks,
Jay Faulkner
OpenStack TC Chair
On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 2:07 AM Zakhar Kirpichenko zakhar@gmail.com wrote:
It's been an abandonware for at least a couple of years. Not sure about alternatives.
/Z
On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 at 11:35, pi3.14@tuta.io wrote:
Hi folks,
is Freezer still supported? I don't see any real development going on with it.
Is it recommended to use in a production Cloud environment?
Are there other free and open source alternatives to Freezer?
Thanks Roby
Freezer is currently considered inactive[0] under our policy. I would say based on the last patch merged[1] that was not submitted by someone on a shared OpenStack team dating to Feb 2023, it's likely to be nominated for retirement unless significant meaningful contribution comes forward quickly.
Based on this information, I would not recommend new deployments of Freezer unless you intend on taking over maintenance of the project. I apologize for this being the case, but we'd rather be up-front about the state of the project than have you deploy something that's not actively maintained.
Thanks, Jay Faulkner OpenStack TC Chair
0: https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/emerging-technology-and-inacti... 1: https://review.opendev.org/q/project:openstack/freezer+status:merged
On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 6:42 PM Satish Patel satish.txt@gmail.com wrote:
If I am not mistaken here are the ci-job https://review.opendev.org/q/project:openstack/freezer+status:open
On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 6:27 PM Alvaro Soto alsotoes@gmail.com wrote:
If somebody can explain me about the ci jobs, I can help.
Cheers.
Alvaro Soto.
Note: My work hours may not be your work hours. Please do not feel the need to respond during a time that is not convenient for you.
Great people talk about ideas, ordinary people talk about things, small people talk... about other people.
On Sat, Mar 9, 2024, 5:02 PM Satish Patel satish.txt@gmail.com wrote:
I’m also interested in freezer but as you said because of no activity I’m hesitant to deploy.
On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 10:58 PM Sam Su (苏正伟) suzhengwei@inspur.com wrote:
Hi，folks，
Recently I have tested freezer, and it still works.
I want to submit some patches which would make Freezer more easy-to-use, but I found the ci-jobs not fixed for long time. I think the most important thing is to solve the ci-jobs firstly. Then there would be new commits.
Would some one help this project back to routine maintenance?
*发件人:* Zakhar Kirpichenko zakhar@gmail.com *发送时间:* 2023年10月25日 1:24 *收件人:* Jay Faulkner jay@gr-oss.io *抄送:* Openstack Discuss openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org *主题:* Re: [Freezer] Is Freezer dead?
Thank you, Jay.
I haven't tried Freezer lately, but we tried it a couple of years ago in our Wallaby lab and couldn't get the backend to work properly, the UI code also had some issues. Our attempts to get in touch with the devs were unsuccessful, we've never heard back. We haven't touched Freezer since then, thus I'd like to correct my statement to "after trying it and attempting to get in touch with its devs, my team assumed that Freezer was abandoned". I'd be glad to find out that it's alive, but don't have high hopes.
/Z
On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 at 19:14, Jay Faulkner jay@gr-oss.io wrote:
Hey Zakhar & Roby,
As far as governance is concerned, Freezer still exists. But I see in git, no commits since the last 8 months. Based on your comment, do you have experience that reflects it's not functional? If it truly is abandoned, we should ensure the governance reflects that -- but right now we have the impression it should work, and was included in the bobcat release: https://releases.openstack.org/bobcat/index.html#bobcat-freezer.
Thanks,
Jay Faulkner
OpenStack TC Chair
On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 2:07 AM Zakhar Kirpichenko zakhar@gmail.com wrote:
It's been an abandonware for at least a couple of years. Not sure about alternatives.
/Z
On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 at 11:35, pi3.14@tuta.io wrote:
Hi folks,
is Freezer still supported? I don't see any real development going on with it.
Is it recommended to use in a production Cloud environment?
Are there other free and open source alternatives to Freezer?
Thanks Roby
Frankly speaking, I don't like messages I do hear lately.
Instead of appreciating volunteers that raise here and there into contributing to the projects and mentor them to enable their succession, we rather potential contributors from even trying to.
I find this quite disappointing, frankly speaking. I do know, that everyone is very limited on resources and probably can't dedicate enough time into mentoring, but this road is only one way. Without new people and companies coming to the community it has quite vague future overall...
Like freezer question has raised multiple time during last year, with everyone being afraid to use it as it's not maintained. Not saying that I was reached personally couple of times as well. But if each person who asked about it spent at least small chunk of time to the project maintenance - it would be one of the best maintained projects...
So probably let's check what each of interested parties can do to keep the project alive? As otherwise the only solution for scheduling backups in OpenStack would be either self-written or commercial solutions, which would be either longer time-to-market or just more expensive after some time then maintaining the project.
So I guess my point here is to motivate anybody who is interested and raise a hand in this thread, so we can join forces and have a decent backup service in a good shape...
On Sun, Mar 10, 2024, 19:26 Jay Faulkner jay@gr-oss.io wrote:
Freezer is currently considered inactive[0] under our policy. I would say based on the last patch merged[1] that was not submitted by someone on a shared OpenStack team dating to Feb 2023, it's likely to be nominated for retirement unless significant meaningful contribution comes forward quickly.
Based on this information, I would not recommend new deployments of Freezer unless you intend on taking over maintenance of the project. I apologize for this being the case, but we'd rather be up-front about the state of the project than have you deploy something that's not actively maintained.
Thanks, Jay Faulkner OpenStack TC Chair
0: https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/emerging-technology-and-inacti... 1: https://review.opendev.org/q/project:openstack/freezer+status:merged
On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 6:42 PM Satish Patel satish.txt@gmail.com wrote:
If I am not mistaken here are the ci-job https://review.opendev.org/q/project:openstack/freezer+status:open
On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 6:27 PM Alvaro Soto alsotoes@gmail.com wrote:
If somebody can explain me about the ci jobs, I can help.
Cheers.
Alvaro Soto.
Note: My work hours may not be your work hours. Please do not feel the need to respond during a time that is not convenient for you.
Great people talk about ideas, ordinary people talk about things, small people talk... about other people.
On Sat, Mar 9, 2024, 5:02 PM Satish Patel satish.txt@gmail.com wrote:
I’m also interested in freezer but as you said because of no activity I’m hesitant to deploy.
On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 10:58 PM Sam Su (苏正伟) suzhengwei@inspur.com wrote:
Hi，folks，
Recently I have tested freezer, and it still works.
I want to submit some patches which would make Freezer more easy-to-use, but I found the ci-jobs not fixed for long time. I think the most important thing is to solve the ci-jobs firstly. Then there would be new commits.
Would some one help this project back to routine maintenance?
*发件人:* Zakhar Kirpichenko zakhar@gmail.com *发送时间:* 2023年10月25日 1:24 *收件人:* Jay Faulkner jay@gr-oss.io *抄送:* Openstack Discuss openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org *主题:* Re: [Freezer] Is Freezer dead?
Thank you, Jay.
I haven't tried Freezer lately, but we tried it a couple of years ago in our Wallaby lab and couldn't get the backend to work properly, the UI code also had some issues. Our attempts to get in touch with the devs were unsuccessful, we've never heard back. We haven't touched Freezer since then, thus I'd like to correct my statement to "after trying it and attempting to get in touch with its devs, my team assumed that Freezer was abandoned". I'd be glad to find out that it's alive, but don't have high hopes.
/Z
On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 at 19:14, Jay Faulkner jay@gr-oss.io wrote:
Hey Zakhar & Roby,
As far as governance is concerned, Freezer still exists. But I see in git, no commits since the last 8 months. Based on your comment, do you have experience that reflects it's not functional? If it truly is abandoned, we should ensure the governance reflects that -- but right now we have the impression it should work, and was included in the bobcat release: https://releases.openstack.org/bobcat/index.html#bobcat-freezer.
Thanks,
Jay Faulkner
OpenStack TC Chair
On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 2:07 AM Zakhar Kirpichenko zakhar@gmail.com wrote:
It's been an abandonware for at least a couple of years. Not sure about alternatives.
/Z
On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 at 11:35, pi3.14@tuta.io wrote:
Hi folks,
is Freezer still supported? I don't see any real development going on with it.
Is it recommended to use in a production Cloud environment?
Are there other free and open source alternatives to Freezer?
Thanks Roby
+1 to Dmitriy's comment.
I'll start looking for the ci jobs and if anybody understand anything about how these jobs works, I'll really appreciate the help :)
Cheers. --- Alvaro Soto.
Note: My work hours may not be your work hours. Please do not feel the need to respond during a time that is not convenient for you. ---------------------------------------------------------- Great people talk about ideas, ordinary people talk about things, small people talk... about other people.
On Sun, Mar 10, 2024, 1:17 PM Dmitriy Rabotyagov noonedeadpunk@gmail.com wrote:
Frankly speaking, I don't like messages I do hear lately.
Instead of appreciating volunteers that raise here and there into contributing to the projects and mentor them to enable their succession, we rather potential contributors from even trying to.
I find this quite disappointing, frankly speaking. I do know, that everyone is very limited on resources and probably can't dedicate enough time into mentoring, but this road is only one way. Without new people and companies coming to the community it has quite vague future overall...
Like freezer question has raised multiple time during last year, with everyone being afraid to use it as it's not maintained. Not saying that I was reached personally couple of times as well. But if each person who asked about it spent at least small chunk of time to the project maintenance - it would be one of the best maintained projects...
So probably let's check what each of interested parties can do to keep the project alive? As otherwise the only solution for scheduling backups in OpenStack would be either self-written or commercial solutions, which would be either longer time-to-market or just more expensive after some time then maintaining the project.
So I guess my point here is to motivate anybody who is interested and raise a hand in this thread, so we can join forces and have a decent backup service in a good shape...
On Sun, Mar 10, 2024, 19:26 Jay Faulkner jay@gr-oss.io wrote:
Freezer is currently considered inactive[0] under our policy. I would say based on the last patch merged[1] that was not submitted by someone on a shared OpenStack team dating to Feb 2023, it's likely to be nominated for retirement unless significant meaningful contribution comes forward quickly.
Based on this information, I would not recommend new deployments of Freezer unless you intend on taking over maintenance of the project. I apologize for this being the case, but we'd rather be up-front about the state of the project than have you deploy something that's not actively maintained.
Thanks, Jay Faulkner OpenStack TC Chair
0: https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/emerging-technology-and-inacti... 1: https://review.opendev.org/q/project:openstack/freezer+status:merged
On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 6:42 PM Satish Patel satish.txt@gmail.com wrote:
If I am not mistaken here are the ci-job https://review.opendev.org/q/project:openstack/freezer+status:open
On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 6:27 PM Alvaro Soto alsotoes@gmail.com wrote:
If somebody can explain me about the ci jobs, I can help.
Cheers.
Alvaro Soto.
Note: My work hours may not be your work hours. Please do not feel the need to respond during a time that is not convenient for you.
Great people talk about ideas, ordinary people talk about things, small people talk... about other people.
On Sat, Mar 9, 2024, 5:02 PM Satish Patel satish.txt@gmail.com wrote:
I’m also interested in freezer but as you said because of no activity I’m hesitant to deploy.
On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 10:58 PM Sam Su (苏正伟) suzhengwei@inspur.com wrote:
Hi，folks，
Recently I have tested freezer, and it still works.
I want to submit some patches which would make Freezer more easy-to-use, but I found the ci-jobs not fixed for long time. I think the most important thing is to solve the ci-jobs firstly. Then there would be new commits.
Would some one help this project back to routine maintenance?
*发件人:* Zakhar Kirpichenko zakhar@gmail.com *发送时间:* 2023年10月25日 1:24 *收件人:* Jay Faulkner jay@gr-oss.io *抄送:* Openstack Discuss openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org *主题:* Re: [Freezer] Is Freezer dead?
Thank you, Jay.
I haven't tried Freezer lately, but we tried it a couple of years ago in our Wallaby lab and couldn't get the backend to work properly, the UI code also had some issues. Our attempts to get in touch with the devs were unsuccessful, we've never heard back. We haven't touched Freezer since then, thus I'd like to correct my statement to "after trying it and attempting to get in touch with its devs, my team assumed that Freezer was abandoned". I'd be glad to find out that it's alive, but don't have high hopes.
/Z
On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 at 19:14, Jay Faulkner jay@gr-oss.io wrote:
Hey Zakhar & Roby,
As far as governance is concerned, Freezer still exists. But I see in git, no commits since the last 8 months. Based on your comment, do you have experience that reflects it's not functional? If it truly is abandoned, we should ensure the governance reflects that -- but right now we have the impression it should work, and was included in the bobcat release: https://releases.openstack.org/bobcat/index.html#bobcat-freezer.
Thanks,
Jay Faulkner
OpenStack TC Chair
On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 2:07 AM Zakhar Kirpichenko zakhar@gmail.com wrote:
It's been an abandonware for at least a couple of years. Not sure about alternatives.
/Z
On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 at 11:35, pi3.14@tuta.io wrote:
Hi folks,
is Freezer still supported? I don't see any real development going on with it.
Is it recommended to use in a production Cloud environment?
Are there other free and open source alternatives to Freezer?
Thanks Roby
I'm quite short on time until April, but for sure I can try to help you out with the current state and define a way forward from here.
There's an IRC channel on OFTC #openstack-freezer (which is quite deserted). So feel free to ping me there whenever needed. I'm usually around during EU time, just in case.
вс, 10 мар. 2024 г. в 23:59, Alvaro Soto alsotoes@gmail.com:
+1 to Dmitriy's comment.
I'll start looking for the ci jobs and if anybody understand anything about how these jobs works, I'll really appreciate the help :)
Cheers.
Alvaro Soto.
Note: My work hours may not be your work hours. Please do not feel the need to respond during a time that is not convenient for you.
Great people talk about ideas, ordinary people talk about things, small people talk... about other people.
On Sun, Mar 10, 2024, 1:17 PM Dmitriy Rabotyagov noonedeadpunk@gmail.com wrote:
Frankly speaking, I don't like messages I do hear lately.
Instead of appreciating volunteers that raise here and there into contributing to the projects and mentor them to enable their succession, we rather potential contributors from even trying to.
I find this quite disappointing, frankly speaking. I do know, that everyone is very limited on resources and probably can't dedicate enough time into mentoring, but this road is only one way. Without new people and companies coming to the community it has quite vague future overall...
Like freezer question has raised multiple time during last year, with everyone being afraid to use it as it's not maintained. Not saying that I was reached personally couple of times as well. But if each person who asked about it spent at least small chunk of time to the project maintenance - it would be one of the best maintained projects...
So probably let's check what each of interested parties can do to keep the project alive? As otherwise the only solution for scheduling backups in OpenStack would be either self-written or commercial solutions, which would be either longer time-to-market or just more expensive after some time then maintaining the project.
So I guess my point here is to motivate anybody who is interested and raise a hand in this thread, so we can join forces and have a decent backup service in a good shape...
On Sun, Mar 10, 2024, 19:26 Jay Faulkner jay@gr-oss.io wrote:
Freezer is currently considered inactive[0] under our policy. I would say based on the last patch merged[1] that was not submitted by someone on a shared OpenStack team dating to Feb 2023, it's likely to be nominated for retirement unless significant meaningful contribution comes forward quickly.
Based on this information, I would not recommend new deployments of Freezer unless you intend on taking over maintenance of the project. I apologize for this being the case, but we'd rather be up-front about the state of the project than have you deploy something that's not actively maintained.
Thanks, Jay Faulkner OpenStack TC Chair
0: https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/emerging-technology-and-inacti... 1: https://review.opendev.org/q/project:openstack/freezer+status:merged
On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 6:42 PM Satish Patel satish.txt@gmail.com wrote:
If I am not mistaken here are the ci-job https://review.opendev.org/q/project:openstack/freezer+status:open
On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 6:27 PM Alvaro Soto alsotoes@gmail.com wrote:
If somebody can explain me about the ci jobs, I can help.
Cheers.
Alvaro Soto.
Note: My work hours may not be your work hours. Please do not feel the need to respond during a time that is not convenient for you.
Great people talk about ideas, ordinary people talk about things, small people talk... about other people.
On Sat, Mar 9, 2024, 5:02 PM Satish Patel satish.txt@gmail.com wrote:
I’m also interested in freezer but as you said because of no activity I’m hesitant to deploy.
On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 10:58 PM Sam Su (苏正伟) suzhengwei@inspur.com wrote: > > Hi，folks， > > Recently I have tested freezer, and it still works. > > > > I want to submit some patches which would make Freezer more easy-to-use, but I found the ci-jobs not fixed for long time. I think the most important thing is to solve the ci-jobs firstly. Then there would be new commits. > > > > Would some one help this project back to routine maintenance? > > > > > > 发件人: Zakhar Kirpichenko zakhar@gmail.com > 发送时间: 2023年10月25日 1:24 > 收件人: Jay Faulkner jay@gr-oss.io > 抄送: Openstack Discuss openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org > 主题: Re: [Freezer] Is Freezer dead? > > > > Thank you, Jay. > > > > I haven't tried Freezer lately, but we tried it a couple of years ago in our Wallaby lab and couldn't get the backend to work properly, the UI code also had some issues. Our attempts to get in touch with the devs were unsuccessful, we've never heard back. We haven't touched Freezer since then, thus I'd like to correct my statement to "after trying it and attempting to get in touch with its devs, my team assumed that Freezer was abandoned". I'd be glad to find out that it's alive, but don't have high hopes. > > > > /Z > > > > On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 at 19:14, Jay Faulkner jay@gr-oss.io wrote: > > Hey Zakhar & Roby, > > > > As far as governance is concerned, Freezer still exists. But I see in git, no commits since the last 8 months. Based on your comment, do you have experience that reflects it's not functional? If it truly is abandoned, we should ensure the governance reflects that -- but right now we have the impression it should work, and was included in the bobcat release: https://releases.openstack.org/bobcat/index.html#bobcat-freezer. > > > > Thanks, > > Jay Faulkner > > OpenStack TC Chair > > > > On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 2:07 AM Zakhar Kirpichenko zakhar@gmail.com wrote: > > It's been an abandonware for at least a couple of years. Not sure about alternatives. > > > > /Z > > > > On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 at 11:35, pi3.14@tuta.io wrote: > > Hi folks, > > is Freezer still supported? I don't see any real development going on with it. > > Is it recommended to use in a production Cloud environment? > > Are there other free and open source alternatives to Freezer? > > Thanks > Roby
Should we set up a short meeting? I'm in CST.
I'll join the IRC channel and set up a bridge for Slack, so have it handy. Cheers!
On Mon, Mar 11, 2024 at 2:17 AM Dmitriy Rabotyagov noonedeadpunk@gmail.com wrote:
I'm quite short on time until April, but for sure I can try to help you out with the current state and define a way forward from here.
There's an IRC channel on OFTC #openstack-freezer (which is quite deserted). So feel free to ping me there whenever needed. I'm usually around during EU time, just in case.
вс, 10 мар. 2024 г. в 23:59, Alvaro Soto alsotoes@gmail.com:
+1 to Dmitriy's comment.
I'll start looking for the ci jobs and if anybody understand anything
about how these jobs works, I'll really appreciate the help :)
Cheers.
Alvaro Soto.
Note: My work hours may not be your work hours. Please do not feel the
need to respond during a time that is not convenient for you.
Great people talk about ideas, ordinary people talk about things, small people talk... about other people.
On Sun, Mar 10, 2024, 1:17 PM Dmitriy Rabotyagov <
noonedeadpunk@gmail.com> wrote:
Frankly speaking, I don't like messages I do hear lately.
Instead of appreciating volunteers that raise here and there into
contributing to the projects and mentor them to enable their succession, we rather potential contributors from even trying to.
I find this quite disappointing, frankly speaking. I do know, that
everyone is very limited on resources and probably can't dedicate enough time into mentoring, but this road is only one way. Without new people and companies coming to the community it has quite vague future overall...
Like freezer question has raised multiple time during last year, with
everyone being afraid to use it as it's not maintained. Not saying that I was reached personally couple of times as well. But if each person who asked about it spent at least small chunk of time to the project maintenance - it would be one of the best maintained projects...
So probably let's check what each of interested parties can do to keep
the project alive?
As otherwise the only solution for scheduling backups in OpenStack
would be either self-written or commercial solutions, which would be either longer time-to-market or just more expensive after some time then maintaining the project.
So I guess my point here is to motivate anybody who is interested and
raise a hand in this thread, so we can join forces and have a decent backup service in a good shape...
On Sun, Mar 10, 2024, 19:26 Jay Faulkner jay@gr-oss.io wrote:
Freezer is currently considered inactive[0] under our policy. I would
say based on the last patch merged[1] that was not submitted by someone on a shared OpenStack team dating to Feb 2023, it's likely to be nominated for retirement unless significant meaningful contribution comes forward quickly.
Based on this information, I would not recommend new deployments of
Freezer unless you intend on taking over maintenance of the project. I apologize for this being the case, but we'd rather be up-front about the state of the project than have you deploy something that's not actively maintained.
Thanks, Jay Faulkner OpenStack TC Chair
0:
https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/emerging-technology-and-inacti...
1:
https://review.opendev.org/q/project:openstack/freezer+status:merged
On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 6:42 PM Satish Patel satish.txt@gmail.com
wrote:
If I am not mistaken here are the ci-job
https://review.opendev.org/q/project:openstack/freezer+status:open
On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 6:27 PM Alvaro Soto alsotoes@gmail.com
wrote:
If somebody can explain me about the ci jobs, I can help.
Cheers.
Alvaro Soto.
Note: My work hours may not be your work hours. Please do not feel
the need to respond during a time that is not convenient for you.
Great people talk about ideas, ordinary people talk about things, small people talk... about other people.
On Sat, Mar 9, 2024, 5:02 PM Satish Patel satish.txt@gmail.com
wrote:
> > I’m also interested in freezer but as you said because of no
activity I’m hesitant to deploy.
> > On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 10:58 PM Sam Su (苏正伟) <
suzhengwei@inspur.com> wrote:
>> >> Hi，folks， >> >> Recently I have tested freezer, and it still works. >> >> >> >> I want to submit some patches which would make Freezer more
easy-to-use, but I found the ci-jobs not fixed for long time. I think the most important thing is to solve the ci-jobs firstly. Then there would be new commits.
>> >> >> >> Would some one help this project back to routine maintenance? >> >> >> >> >> >> 发件人: Zakhar Kirpichenko zakhar@gmail.com >> 发送时间: 2023年10月25日 1:24 >> 收件人: Jay Faulkner jay@gr-oss.io >> 抄送: Openstack Discuss openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org >> 主题: Re: [Freezer] Is Freezer dead? >> >> >> >> Thank you, Jay. >> >> >> >> I haven't tried Freezer lately, but we tried it a couple of years
ago in our Wallaby lab and couldn't get the backend to work properly, the UI code also had some issues. Our attempts to get in touch with the devs were unsuccessful, we've never heard back. We haven't touched Freezer since then, thus I'd like to correct my statement to "after trying it and attempting to get in touch with its devs, my team assumed that Freezer was abandoned". I'd be glad to find out that it's alive, but don't have high hopes.
>> >> >> >> /Z >> >> >> >> On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 at 19:14, Jay Faulkner jay@gr-oss.io wrote: >> >> Hey Zakhar & Roby, >> >> >> >> As far as governance is concerned, Freezer still exists. But I see
in git, no commits since the last 8 months. Based on your comment, do you have experience that reflects it's not functional? If it truly is abandoned, we should ensure the governance reflects that -- but right now we have the impression it should work, and was included in the bobcat release: https://releases.openstack.org/bobcat/index.html#bobcat-freezer.
>> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jay Faulkner >> >> OpenStack TC Chair >> >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 2:07 AM Zakhar Kirpichenko <
zakhar@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> It's been an abandonware for at least a couple of years. Not sure
about alternatives.
>> >> >> >> /Z >> >> >> >> On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 at 11:35, pi3.14@tuta.io wrote: >> >> Hi folks, >> >> is Freezer still supported? I don't see any real development going
on with it.
>> >> Is it recommended to use in a production Cloud environment? >> >> Are there other free and open source alternatives to Freezer? >> >> Thanks >> Roby
I am with you guys, I am not a developer but I can do test things, our code review etc. No doubt this is a great project. We all should try our best to keep it alive.
Once it's in active state then I am sure everyone will latch on it.
On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 6:18 PM Alvaro Soto alsotoes@gmail.com wrote:
Should we set up a short meeting? I'm in CST.
I'll join the IRC channel and set up a bridge for Slack, so have it handy. Cheers!
On Mon, Mar 11, 2024 at 2:17 AM Dmitriy Rabotyagov < noonedeadpunk@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm quite short on time until April, but for sure I can try to help you out with the current state and define a way forward from here.
There's an IRC channel on OFTC #openstack-freezer (which is quite deserted). So feel free to ping me there whenever needed. I'm usually around during EU time, just in case.
вс, 10 мар. 2024 г. в 23:59, Alvaro Soto alsotoes@gmail.com:
+1 to Dmitriy's comment.
I'll start looking for the ci jobs and if anybody understand anything
about how these jobs works, I'll really appreciate the help :)
Cheers.
Alvaro Soto.
Note: My work hours may not be your work hours. Please do not feel the
need to respond during a time that is not convenient for you.
Great people talk about ideas, ordinary people talk about things, small people talk... about other people.
On Sun, Mar 10, 2024, 1:17 PM Dmitriy Rabotyagov <
noonedeadpunk@gmail.com> wrote:
Frankly speaking, I don't like messages I do hear lately.
Instead of appreciating volunteers that raise here and there into
contributing to the projects and mentor them to enable their succession, we rather potential contributors from even trying to.
I find this quite disappointing, frankly speaking. I do know, that
everyone is very limited on resources and probably can't dedicate enough time into mentoring, but this road is only one way. Without new people and companies coming to the community it has quite vague future overall...
Like freezer question has raised multiple time during last year, with
everyone being afraid to use it as it's not maintained. Not saying that I was reached personally couple of times as well. But if each person who asked about it spent at least small chunk of time to the project maintenance - it would be one of the best maintained projects...
So probably let's check what each of interested parties can do to keep
the project alive?
As otherwise the only solution for scheduling backups in OpenStack
would be either self-written or commercial solutions, which would be either longer time-to-market or just more expensive after some time then maintaining the project.
So I guess my point here is to motivate anybody who is interested and
raise a hand in this thread, so we can join forces and have a decent backup service in a good shape...
On Sun, Mar 10, 2024, 19:26 Jay Faulkner jay@gr-oss.io wrote:
Freezer is currently considered inactive[0] under our policy. I would
say based on the last patch merged[1] that was not submitted by someone on a shared OpenStack team dating to Feb 2023, it's likely to be nominated for retirement unless significant meaningful contribution comes forward quickly.
Based on this information, I would not recommend new deployments of
Freezer unless you intend on taking over maintenance of the project. I apologize for this being the case, but we'd rather be up-front about the state of the project than have you deploy something that's not actively maintained.
Thanks, Jay Faulkner OpenStack TC Chair
0:
https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/emerging-technology-and-inacti...
1:
https://review.opendev.org/q/project:openstack/freezer+status:merged
On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 6:42 PM Satish Patel satish.txt@gmail.com
wrote:
If I am not mistaken here are the ci-job
https://review.opendev.org/q/project:openstack/freezer+status:open
On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 6:27 PM Alvaro Soto alsotoes@gmail.com
wrote:
> > If somebody can explain me about the ci jobs, I can help. > > Cheers. > > --- > Alvaro Soto. > > Note: My work hours may not be your work hours. Please do not feel
the need to respond during a time that is not convenient for you.
> ---------------------------------------------------------- > Great people talk about ideas, > ordinary people talk about things, > small people talk... about other people. > > On Sat, Mar 9, 2024, 5:02 PM Satish Patel satish.txt@gmail.com
wrote:
>> >> I’m also interested in freezer but as you said because of no
activity I’m hesitant to deploy.
>> >> On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 10:58 PM Sam Su (苏正伟) <
suzhengwei@inspur.com> wrote:
>>> >>> Hi，folks， >>> >>> Recently I have tested freezer, and it still works. >>> >>> >>> >>> I want to submit some patches which would make Freezer more
easy-to-use, but I found the ci-jobs not fixed for long time. I think the most important thing is to solve the ci-jobs firstly. Then there would be new commits.
>>> >>> >>> >>> Would some one help this project back to routine maintenance? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 发件人: Zakhar Kirpichenko zakhar@gmail.com >>> 发送时间: 2023年10月25日 1:24 >>> 收件人: Jay Faulkner jay@gr-oss.io >>> 抄送: Openstack Discuss openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org >>> 主题: Re: [Freezer] Is Freezer dead? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank you, Jay. >>> >>> >>> >>> I haven't tried Freezer lately, but we tried it a couple of years
ago in our Wallaby lab and couldn't get the backend to work properly, the UI code also had some issues. Our attempts to get in touch with the devs were unsuccessful, we've never heard back. We haven't touched Freezer since then, thus I'd like to correct my statement to "after trying it and attempting to get in touch with its devs, my team assumed that Freezer was abandoned". I'd be glad to find out that it's alive, but don't have high hopes.
>>> >>> >>> >>> /Z >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 at 19:14, Jay Faulkner jay@gr-oss.io wrote: >>> >>> Hey Zakhar & Roby, >>> >>> >>> >>> As far as governance is concerned, Freezer still exists. But I
see in git, no commits since the last 8 months. Based on your comment, do you have experience that reflects it's not functional? If it truly is abandoned, we should ensure the governance reflects that -- but right now we have the impression it should work, and was included in the bobcat release: https://releases.openstack.org/bobcat/index.html#bobcat-freezer.
>>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Jay Faulkner >>> >>> OpenStack TC Chair >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 2:07 AM Zakhar Kirpichenko <
zakhar@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>> It's been an abandonware for at least a couple of years. Not sure
about alternatives.
>>> >>> >>> >>> /Z >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 at 11:35, pi3.14@tuta.io wrote: >>> >>> Hi folks, >>> >>> is Freezer still supported? I don't see any real development
going on with it.
>>> >>> Is it recommended to use in a production Cloud environment? >>> >>> Are there other free and open source alternatives to Freezer? >>> >>> Thanks >>> Roby
--
Alvaro Soto
*Note: My work hours may not be your work hours. Please do not feel the need to respond during a time that is not convenient for you.*
Great people talk about ideas, ordinary people talk about things, small people talk... about other people.
Hey folks,
1. Temporary DO NOT join IRC channel #openstack-freezer. We need to empty it right now to be able to register properly through the infra process. I've made a temporary channel #freezer - feel free to use it instead. 2. I've created a poll for the timing on that short meeting: https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/e1VRnOVa I've tried to respect both UTC and CST timezones with proposed times. Please fill in the poll until Saturday, May 16 23:59 UTC. I will close the poll on Sunday morning, where the ones who voted should receive an invite.
Thanks everyone for the interest and that feels like a really good collaboration at this point!
ср, 13 мар. 2024 г. в 03:07, Satish Patel satish.txt@gmail.com:
I am with you guys, I am not a developer but I can do test things, our code review etc. No doubt this is a great project. We all should try our best to keep it alive.
Once it's in active state then I am sure everyone will latch on it.
On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 6:18 PM Alvaro Soto alsotoes@gmail.com wrote:
Should we set up a short meeting? I'm in CST.
I'll join the IRC channel and set up a bridge for Slack, so have it handy. Cheers!
On Mon, Mar 11, 2024 at 2:17 AM Dmitriy Rabotyagov noonedeadpunk@gmail.com wrote:
I'm quite short on time until April, but for sure I can try to help you out with the current state and define a way forward from here.
There's an IRC channel on OFTC #openstack-freezer (which is quite deserted). So feel free to ping me there whenever needed. I'm usually around during EU time, just in case.
вс, 10 мар. 2024 г. в 23:59, Alvaro Soto alsotoes@gmail.com:
+1 to Dmitriy's comment.
I'll start looking for the ci jobs and if anybody understand anything about how these jobs works, I'll really appreciate the help :)
Cheers.
Alvaro Soto.
Note: My work hours may not be your work hours. Please do not feel the need to respond during a time that is not convenient for you.
Great people talk about ideas, ordinary people talk about things, small people talk... about other people.
On Sun, Mar 10, 2024, 1:17 PM Dmitriy Rabotyagov noonedeadpunk@gmail.com wrote:
Frankly speaking, I don't like messages I do hear lately.
Instead of appreciating volunteers that raise here and there into contributing to the projects and mentor them to enable their succession, we rather potential contributors from even trying to.
I find this quite disappointing, frankly speaking. I do know, that everyone is very limited on resources and probably can't dedicate enough time into mentoring, but this road is only one way. Without new people and companies coming to the community it has quite vague future overall...
Like freezer question has raised multiple time during last year, with everyone being afraid to use it as it's not maintained. Not saying that I was reached personally couple of times as well. But if each person who asked about it spent at least small chunk of time to the project maintenance - it would be one of the best maintained projects...
So probably let's check what each of interested parties can do to keep the project alive? As otherwise the only solution for scheduling backups in OpenStack would be either self-written or commercial solutions, which would be either longer time-to-market or just more expensive after some time then maintaining the project.
So I guess my point here is to motivate anybody who is interested and raise a hand in this thread, so we can join forces and have a decent backup service in a good shape...
On Sun, Mar 10, 2024, 19:26 Jay Faulkner jay@gr-oss.io wrote:
Freezer is currently considered inactive[0] under our policy. I would say based on the last patch merged[1] that was not submitted by someone on a shared OpenStack team dating to Feb 2023, it's likely to be nominated for retirement unless significant meaningful contribution comes forward quickly.
Based on this information, I would not recommend new deployments of Freezer unless you intend on taking over maintenance of the project. I apologize for this being the case, but we'd rather be up-front about the state of the project than have you deploy something that's not actively maintained.
Thanks, Jay Faulkner OpenStack TC Chair
0: https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/emerging-technology-and-inacti... 1: https://review.opendev.org/q/project:openstack/freezer+status:merged
On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 6:42 PM Satish Patel satish.txt@gmail.com wrote: > > If I am not mistaken here are the ci-job https://review.opendev.org/q/project:openstack/freezer+status:open > > On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 6:27 PM Alvaro Soto alsotoes@gmail.com wrote: >> >> If somebody can explain me about the ci jobs, I can help. >> >> Cheers. >> >> --- >> Alvaro Soto. >> >> Note: My work hours may not be your work hours. Please do not feel the need to respond during a time that is not convenient for you. >> ---------------------------------------------------------- >> Great people talk about ideas, >> ordinary people talk about things, >> small people talk... about other people. >> >> On Sat, Mar 9, 2024, 5:02 PM Satish Patel satish.txt@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> I’m also interested in freezer but as you said because of no activity I’m hesitant to deploy. >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 10:58 PM Sam Su (苏正伟) suzhengwei@inspur.com wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi，folks， >>>> >>>> Recently I have tested freezer, and it still works. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I want to submit some patches which would make Freezer more easy-to-use, but I found the ci-jobs not fixed for long time. I think the most important thing is to solve the ci-jobs firstly. Then there would be new commits. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Would some one help this project back to routine maintenance? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 发件人: Zakhar Kirpichenko zakhar@gmail.com >>>> 发送时间: 2023年10月25日 1:24 >>>> 收件人: Jay Faulkner jay@gr-oss.io >>>> 抄送: Openstack Discuss openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org >>>> 主题: Re: [Freezer] Is Freezer dead? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thank you, Jay. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I haven't tried Freezer lately, but we tried it a couple of years ago in our Wallaby lab and couldn't get the backend to work properly, the UI code also had some issues. Our attempts to get in touch with the devs were unsuccessful, we've never heard back. We haven't touched Freezer since then, thus I'd like to correct my statement to "after trying it and attempting to get in touch with its devs, my team assumed that Freezer was abandoned". I'd be glad to find out that it's alive, but don't have high hopes. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> /Z >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 at 19:14, Jay Faulkner jay@gr-oss.io wrote: >>>> >>>> Hey Zakhar & Roby, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> As far as governance is concerned, Freezer still exists. But I see in git, no commits since the last 8 months. Based on your comment, do you have experience that reflects it's not functional? If it truly is abandoned, we should ensure the governance reflects that -- but right now we have the impression it should work, and was included in the bobcat release: https://releases.openstack.org/bobcat/index.html#bobcat-freezer. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Jay Faulkner >>>> >>>> OpenStack TC Chair >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 2:07 AM Zakhar Kirpichenko zakhar@gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>> It's been an abandonware for at least a couple of years. Not sure about alternatives. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> /Z >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 at 11:35, pi3.14@tuta.io wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi folks, >>>> >>>> is Freezer still supported? I don't see any real development going on with it. >>>> >>>> Is it recommended to use in a production Cloud environment? >>>> >>>> Are there other free and open source alternatives to Freezer? >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Roby
--
Alvaro Soto
Note: My work hours may not be your work hours. Please do not feel the need to respond during a time that is not convenient for you.
Great people talk about ideas, ordinary people talk about things, small people talk... about other people.
Based on the answers, I've picked a time, which is tomorrow - Tuesday, March 19, 2024 from 4PM till 5PM UTC.
I've also created an etherpad that I will populate until the meeting a bit more: https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/freezer-status
Hope to see you tomorrow and have a productive discussion about the project!
ср, 13 мар. 2024 г. в 18:53, Dmitriy Rabotyagov noonedeadpunk@gmail.com:
Hey folks,
- Temporary DO NOT join IRC channel #openstack-freezer. We need to
empty it right now to be able to register properly through the infra process. I've made a temporary channel #freezer - feel free to use it instead. 2. I've created a poll for the timing on that short meeting: https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/e1VRnOVa I've tried to respect both UTC and CST timezones with proposed times. Please fill in the poll until Saturday, May 16 23:59 UTC. I will close the poll on Sunday morning, where the ones who voted should receive an invite.
Thanks everyone for the interest and that feels like a really good collaboration at this point!
ср, 13 мар. 2024 г. в 03:07, Satish Patel satish.txt@gmail.com:
I am with you guys, I am not a developer but I can do test things, our code review etc. No doubt this is a great project. We all should try our best to keep it alive.
Once it's in active state then I am sure everyone will latch on it.
On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 6:18 PM Alvaro Soto alsotoes@gmail.com wrote:
Should we set up a short meeting? I'm in CST.
I'll join the IRC channel and set up a bridge for Slack, so have it handy. Cheers!
On Mon, Mar 11, 2024 at 2:17 AM Dmitriy Rabotyagov noonedeadpunk@gmail.com wrote:
I'm quite short on time until April, but for sure I can try to help you out with the current state and define a way forward from here.
There's an IRC channel on OFTC #openstack-freezer (which is quite deserted). So feel free to ping me there whenever needed. I'm usually around during EU time, just in case.
вс, 10 мар. 2024 г. в 23:59, Alvaro Soto alsotoes@gmail.com:
+1 to Dmitriy's comment.
I'll start looking for the ci jobs and if anybody understand anything about how these jobs works, I'll really appreciate the help :)
Cheers.
Alvaro Soto.
Note: My work hours may not be your work hours. Please do not feel the need to respond during a time that is not convenient for you.
Great people talk about ideas, ordinary people talk about things, small people talk... about other people.
On Sun, Mar 10, 2024, 1:17 PM Dmitriy Rabotyagov noonedeadpunk@gmail.com wrote:
Frankly speaking, I don't like messages I do hear lately.
Instead of appreciating volunteers that raise here and there into contributing to the projects and mentor them to enable their succession, we rather potential contributors from even trying to.
I find this quite disappointing, frankly speaking. I do know, that everyone is very limited on resources and probably can't dedicate enough time into mentoring, but this road is only one way. Without new people and companies coming to the community it has quite vague future overall...
Like freezer question has raised multiple time during last year, with everyone being afraid to use it as it's not maintained. Not saying that I was reached personally couple of times as well. But if each person who asked about it spent at least small chunk of time to the project maintenance - it would be one of the best maintained projects...
So probably let's check what each of interested parties can do to keep the project alive? As otherwise the only solution for scheduling backups in OpenStack would be either self-written or commercial solutions, which would be either longer time-to-market or just more expensive after some time then maintaining the project.
So I guess my point here is to motivate anybody who is interested and raise a hand in this thread, so we can join forces and have a decent backup service in a good shape...
On Sun, Mar 10, 2024, 19:26 Jay Faulkner jay@gr-oss.io wrote: > > Freezer is currently considered inactive[0] under our policy. I would say based on the last patch merged[1] that was not submitted by someone on a shared OpenStack team dating to Feb 2023, it's likely to be nominated for retirement unless significant meaningful contribution comes forward quickly. > > Based on this information, I would not recommend new deployments of Freezer unless you intend on taking over maintenance of the project. I apologize for this being the case, but we'd rather be up-front about the state of the project than have you deploy something that's not actively maintained. > > Thanks, > Jay Faulkner > OpenStack TC Chair > > 0: https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/emerging-technology-and-inacti... > 1: https://review.opendev.org/q/project:openstack/freezer+status:merged > > On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 6:42 PM Satish Patel satish.txt@gmail.com wrote: >> >> If I am not mistaken here are the ci-job https://review.opendev.org/q/project:openstack/freezer+status:open >> >> On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 6:27 PM Alvaro Soto alsotoes@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> If somebody can explain me about the ci jobs, I can help. >>> >>> Cheers. >>> >>> --- >>> Alvaro Soto. >>> >>> Note: My work hours may not be your work hours. Please do not feel the need to respond during a time that is not convenient for you. >>> ---------------------------------------------------------- >>> Great people talk about ideas, >>> ordinary people talk about things, >>> small people talk... about other people. >>> >>> On Sat, Mar 9, 2024, 5:02 PM Satish Patel satish.txt@gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>> I’m also interested in freezer but as you said because of no activity I’m hesitant to deploy. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 10:58 PM Sam Su (苏正伟) suzhengwei@inspur.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi，folks， >>>>> >>>>> Recently I have tested freezer, and it still works. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I want to submit some patches which would make Freezer more easy-to-use, but I found the ci-jobs not fixed for long time. I think the most important thing is to solve the ci-jobs firstly. Then there would be new commits. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Would some one help this project back to routine maintenance? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 发件人: Zakhar Kirpichenko zakhar@gmail.com >>>>> 发送时间: 2023年10月25日 1:24 >>>>> 收件人: Jay Faulkner jay@gr-oss.io >>>>> 抄送: Openstack Discuss openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org >>>>> 主题: Re: [Freezer] Is Freezer dead? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thank you, Jay. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I haven't tried Freezer lately, but we tried it a couple of years ago in our Wallaby lab and couldn't get the backend to work properly, the UI code also had some issues. Our attempts to get in touch with the devs were unsuccessful, we've never heard back. We haven't touched Freezer since then, thus I'd like to correct my statement to "after trying it and attempting to get in touch with its devs, my team assumed that Freezer was abandoned". I'd be glad to find out that it's alive, but don't have high hopes. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> /Z >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 at 19:14, Jay Faulkner jay@gr-oss.io wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hey Zakhar & Roby, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> As far as governance is concerned, Freezer still exists. But I see in git, no commits since the last 8 months. Based on your comment, do you have experience that reflects it's not functional? If it truly is abandoned, we should ensure the governance reflects that -- but right now we have the impression it should work, and was included in the bobcat release: https://releases.openstack.org/bobcat/index.html#bobcat-freezer. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Jay Faulkner >>>>> >>>>> OpenStack TC Chair >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 2:07 AM Zakhar Kirpichenko zakhar@gmail.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It's been an abandonware for at least a couple of years. Not sure about alternatives. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> /Z >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 at 11:35, pi3.14@tuta.io wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi folks, >>>>> >>>>> is Freezer still supported? I don't see any real development going on with it. >>>>> >>>>> Is it recommended to use in a production Cloud environment? >>>>> >>>>> Are there other free and open source alternatives to Freezer? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> Roby
--
Alvaro Soto
Note: My work hours may not be your work hours. Please do not feel the need to respond during a time that is not convenient for you.
Great people talk about ideas, ordinary people talk about things, small people talk... about other people.
Hey there!
I've decided to add you as Current Freezer PTL in direct copy, in case you've missed the original thread. It would be great to hear from you also regarding your plans for the project and if you're interested to continue contributing to the project and the way on how we can collaborate on that.
пн, 18 мар. 2024 г. в 17:15, Dmitriy Rabotyagov noonedeadpunk@gmail.com:
Based on the answers, I've picked a time, which is tomorrow - Tuesday, March 19, 2024 from 4PM till 5PM UTC.
I've also created an etherpad that I will populate until the meeting a bit more: https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/freezer-status
Hope to see you tomorrow and have a productive discussion about the project!
ср, 13 мар. 2024 г. в 18:53, Dmitriy Rabotyagov noonedeadpunk@gmail.com:
Hey folks,
- Temporary DO NOT join IRC channel #openstack-freezer. We need to
empty it right now to be able to register properly through the infra process. I've made a temporary channel #freezer - feel free to use it instead. 2. I've created a poll for the timing on that short meeting: https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/e1VRnOVa I've tried to respect both UTC and CST timezones with proposed times. Please fill in the poll until Saturday, May 16 23:59 UTC. I will close the poll on Sunday morning, where the ones who voted should receive an invite.
Thanks everyone for the interest and that feels like a really good collaboration at this point!
ср, 13 мар. 2024 г. в 03:07, Satish Patel satish.txt@gmail.com:
I am with you guys, I am not a developer but I can do test things, our code review etc. No doubt this is a great project. We all should try our best to keep it alive.
Once it's in active state then I am sure everyone will latch on it.
On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 6:18 PM Alvaro Soto alsotoes@gmail.com wrote:
Should we set up a short meeting? I'm in CST.
I'll join the IRC channel and set up a bridge for Slack, so have it handy. Cheers!
On Mon, Mar 11, 2024 at 2:17 AM Dmitriy Rabotyagov noonedeadpunk@gmail.com wrote:
I'm quite short on time until April, but for sure I can try to help you out with the current state and define a way forward from here.
There's an IRC channel on OFTC #openstack-freezer (which is quite deserted). So feel free to ping me there whenever needed. I'm usually around during EU time, just in case.
вс, 10 мар. 2024 г. в 23:59, Alvaro Soto alsotoes@gmail.com:
+1 to Dmitriy's comment.
I'll start looking for the ci jobs and if anybody understand anything about how these jobs works, I'll really appreciate the help :)
Cheers.
Alvaro Soto.
Note: My work hours may not be your work hours. Please do not feel the need to respond during a time that is not convenient for you.
Great people talk about ideas, ordinary people talk about things, small people talk... about other people.
On Sun, Mar 10, 2024, 1:17 PM Dmitriy Rabotyagov noonedeadpunk@gmail.com wrote: > > Frankly speaking, I don't like messages I do hear lately. > > Instead of appreciating volunteers that raise here and there into contributing to the projects and mentor them to enable their succession, we rather potential contributors from even trying to. > > I find this quite disappointing, frankly speaking. I do know, that everyone is very limited on resources and probably can't dedicate enough time into mentoring, but this road is only one way. Without new people and companies coming to the community it has quite vague future overall... > > Like freezer question has raised multiple time during last year, with everyone being afraid to use it as it's not maintained. Not saying that I was reached personally couple of times as well. But if each person who asked about it spent at least small chunk of time to the project maintenance - it would be one of the best maintained projects... > > So probably let's check what each of interested parties can do to keep the project alive? > As otherwise the only solution for scheduling backups in OpenStack would be either self-written or commercial solutions, which would be either longer time-to-market or just more expensive after some time then maintaining the project. > > So I guess my point here is to motivate anybody who is interested and raise a hand in this thread, so we can join forces and have a decent backup service in a good shape... > > > On Sun, Mar 10, 2024, 19:26 Jay Faulkner jay@gr-oss.io wrote: >> >> Freezer is currently considered inactive[0] under our policy. I would say based on the last patch merged[1] that was not submitted by someone on a shared OpenStack team dating to Feb 2023, it's likely to be nominated for retirement unless significant meaningful contribution comes forward quickly. >> >> Based on this information, I would not recommend new deployments of Freezer unless you intend on taking over maintenance of the project. I apologize for this being the case, but we'd rather be up-front about the state of the project than have you deploy something that's not actively maintained. >> >> Thanks, >> Jay Faulkner >> OpenStack TC Chair >> >> 0: https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/emerging-technology-and-inacti... >> 1: https://review.opendev.org/q/project:openstack/freezer+status:merged >> >> On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 6:42 PM Satish Patel satish.txt@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> If I am not mistaken here are the ci-job https://review.opendev.org/q/project:openstack/freezer+status:open >>> >>> On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 6:27 PM Alvaro Soto alsotoes@gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>> If somebody can explain me about the ci jobs, I can help. >>>> >>>> Cheers. >>>> >>>> --- >>>> Alvaro Soto. >>>> >>>> Note: My work hours may not be your work hours. Please do not feel the need to respond during a time that is not convenient for you. >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------- >>>> Great people talk about ideas, >>>> ordinary people talk about things, >>>> small people talk... about other people. >>>> >>>> On Sat, Mar 9, 2024, 5:02 PM Satish Patel satish.txt@gmail.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I’m also interested in freezer but as you said because of no activity I’m hesitant to deploy. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 10:58 PM Sam Su (苏正伟) suzhengwei@inspur.com wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi，folks， >>>>>> >>>>>> Recently I have tested freezer, and it still works. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I want to submit some patches which would make Freezer more easy-to-use, but I found the ci-jobs not fixed for long time. I think the most important thing is to solve the ci-jobs firstly. Then there would be new commits. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Would some one help this project back to routine maintenance? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 发件人: Zakhar Kirpichenko zakhar@gmail.com >>>>>> 发送时间: 2023年10月25日 1:24 >>>>>> 收件人: Jay Faulkner jay@gr-oss.io >>>>>> 抄送: Openstack Discuss openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org >>>>>> 主题: Re: [Freezer] Is Freezer dead? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you, Jay. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I haven't tried Freezer lately, but we tried it a couple of years ago in our Wallaby lab and couldn't get the backend to work properly, the UI code also had some issues. Our attempts to get in touch with the devs were unsuccessful, we've never heard back. We haven't touched Freezer since then, thus I'd like to correct my statement to "after trying it and attempting to get in touch with its devs, my team assumed that Freezer was abandoned". I'd be glad to find out that it's alive, but don't have high hopes. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> /Z >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 at 19:14, Jay Faulkner jay@gr-oss.io wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hey Zakhar & Roby, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> As far as governance is concerned, Freezer still exists. But I see in git, no commits since the last 8 months. Based on your comment, do you have experience that reflects it's not functional? If it truly is abandoned, we should ensure the governance reflects that -- but right now we have the impression it should work, and was included in the bobcat release: https://releases.openstack.org/bobcat/index.html#bobcat-freezer. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> Jay Faulkner >>>>>> >>>>>> OpenStack TC Chair >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 2:07 AM Zakhar Kirpichenko zakhar@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> It's been an abandonware for at least a couple of years. Not sure about alternatives. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> /Z >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 at 11:35, pi3.14@tuta.io wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi folks, >>>>>> >>>>>> is Freezer still supported? I don't see any real development going on with it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Is it recommended to use in a production Cloud environment? >>>>>> >>>>>> Are there other free and open source alternatives to Freezer? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> Roby
--
Alvaro Soto
Note: My work hours may not be your work hours. Please do not feel the need to respond during a time that is not convenient for you.
Great people talk about ideas, ordinary people talk about things, small people talk... about other people.
Sweet thanks. See you guys tomorrow.
--- Alvaro Soto.
Note: My work hours may not be your work hours. Please do not feel the need to respond during a time that is not convenient for you. ---------------------------------------------------------- Great people talk about ideas, ordinary people talk about things, small people talk... about other people.
On Mon, Mar 18, 2024, 10:28 AM Dmitriy Rabotyagov noonedeadpunk@gmail.com wrote:
Hey there!
I've decided to add you as Current Freezer PTL in direct copy, in case you've missed the original thread. It would be great to hear from you also regarding your plans for the project and if you're interested to continue contributing to the project and the way on how we can collaborate on that.
пн, 18 мар. 2024 г. в 17:15, Dmitriy Rabotyagov noonedeadpunk@gmail.com:
Based on the answers, I've picked a time, which is tomorrow - Tuesday, March 19, 2024 from 4PM till 5PM UTC.
I've also created an etherpad that I will populate until the meeting a bit more: https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/freezer-status
Hope to see you tomorrow and have a productive discussion about the
project!
ср, 13 мар. 2024 г. в 18:53, Dmitriy Rabotyagov <noonedeadpunk@gmail.com :
Hey folks,
- Temporary DO NOT join IRC channel #openstack-freezer. We need to
empty it right now to be able to register properly through the infra process. I've made a temporary channel #freezer - feel free to use it instead. 2. I've created a poll for the timing on that short meeting: https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/e1VRnOVa I've tried to respect both UTC and CST timezones with proposed times. Please fill in the poll until Saturday, May 16 23:59 UTC. I will close the poll on Sunday morning, where the ones who voted should receive an invite.
Thanks everyone for the interest and that feels like a really good collaboration at this point!
ср, 13 мар. 2024 г. в 03:07, Satish Patel satish.txt@gmail.com:
I am with you guys, I am not a developer but I can do test things,
our code review etc. No doubt this is a great project. We all should try our best to keep it alive.
Once it's in active state then I am sure everyone will latch on it.
On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 6:18 PM Alvaro Soto alsotoes@gmail.com
wrote:
Should we set up a short meeting? I'm in CST.
I'll join the IRC channel and set up a bridge for Slack, so have it
handy.
Cheers!
On Mon, Mar 11, 2024 at 2:17 AM Dmitriy Rabotyagov <
noonedeadpunk@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm quite short on time until April, but for sure I can try to help you out with the current state and define a way forward from here.
There's an IRC channel on OFTC #openstack-freezer (which is quite deserted). So feel free to ping me there whenever needed. I'm
usually
around during EU time, just in case.
вс, 10 мар. 2024 г. в 23:59, Alvaro Soto alsotoes@gmail.com: > > +1 to Dmitriy's comment. > > I'll start looking for the ci jobs and if anybody understand
anything about how these jobs works, I'll really appreciate the help :)
> > Cheers. > --- > Alvaro Soto. > > Note: My work hours may not be your work hours. Please do not
feel the need to respond during a time that is not convenient for you.
> ---------------------------------------------------------- > Great people talk about ideas, > ordinary people talk about things, > small people talk... about other people. > > On Sun, Mar 10, 2024, 1:17 PM Dmitriy Rabotyagov <
noonedeadpunk@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Frankly speaking, I don't like messages I do hear lately. >> >> Instead of appreciating volunteers that raise here and there
into contributing to the projects and mentor them to enable their succession, we rather potential contributors from even trying to.
>> >> I find this quite disappointing, frankly speaking. I do know,
that everyone is very limited on resources and probably can't dedicate enough time into mentoring, but this road is only one way. Without new people and companies coming to the community it has quite vague future overall...
>> >> Like freezer question has raised multiple time during last
year, with everyone being afraid to use it as it's not maintained. Not saying that I was reached personally couple of times as well. But if each person who asked about it spent at least small chunk of time to the project maintenance - it would be one of the best maintained projects...
>> >> So probably let's check what each of interested parties can do
to keep the project alive?
>> As otherwise the only solution for scheduling backups in
OpenStack would be either self-written or commercial solutions, which would be either longer time-to-market or just more expensive after some time then maintaining the project.
>> >> So I guess my point here is to motivate anybody who is
interested and raise a hand in this thread, so we can join forces and have a decent backup service in a good shape...
>> >> >> On Sun, Mar 10, 2024, 19:26 Jay Faulkner jay@gr-oss.io wrote: >>> >>> Freezer is currently considered inactive[0] under our policy.
I would say based on the last patch merged[1] that was not submitted by someone on a shared OpenStack team dating to Feb 2023, it's likely to be nominated for retirement unless significant meaningful contribution comes forward quickly.
>>> >>> Based on this information, I would not recommend new
deployments of Freezer unless you intend on taking over maintenance of the project. I apologize for this being the case, but we'd rather be up-front about the state of the project than have you deploy something that's not actively maintained.
>>> >>> Thanks, >>> Jay Faulkner >>> OpenStack TC Chair >>> >>> 0:
https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/emerging-technology-and-inacti...
>>> 1:
https://review.opendev.org/q/project:openstack/freezer+status:merged
>>> >>> On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 6:42 PM Satish Patel <
satish.txt@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>> If I am not mistaken here are the ci-job
https://review.opendev.org/q/project:openstack/freezer+status:open
>>>> >>>> On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 6:27 PM Alvaro Soto <
alsotoes@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>> If somebody can explain me about the ci jobs, I can help. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers. >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> Alvaro Soto. >>>>> >>>>> Note: My work hours may not be your work hours. Please do
not feel the need to respond during a time that is not convenient for you.
>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> Great people talk about ideas, >>>>> ordinary people talk about things, >>>>> small people talk... about other people. >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Mar 9, 2024, 5:02 PM Satish Patel <
satish.txt@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>> I’m also interested in freezer but as you said because of
no activity I’m hesitant to deploy.
>>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 10:58 PM Sam Su (苏正伟) <
suzhengwei@inspur.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi，folks， >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Recently I have tested freezer, and it still works. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I want to submit some patches which would make Freezer
more easy-to-use, but I found the ci-jobs not fixed for long time. I think the most important thing is to solve the ci-jobs firstly. Then there would be new commits.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Would some one help this project back to routine
maintenance?
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 发件人: Zakhar Kirpichenko zakhar@gmail.com >>>>>>> 发送时间: 2023年10月25日 1:24 >>>>>>> 收件人: Jay Faulkner jay@gr-oss.io >>>>>>> 抄送: Openstack Discuss <
openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org>
>>>>>>> 主题: Re: [Freezer] Is Freezer dead? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you, Jay. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I haven't tried Freezer lately, but we tried it a couple
of years ago in our Wallaby lab and couldn't get the backend to work properly, the UI code also had some issues. Our attempts to get in touch with the devs were unsuccessful, we've never heard back. We haven't touched Freezer since then, thus I'd like to correct my statement to "after trying it and attempting to get in touch with its devs, my team assumed that Freezer was abandoned". I'd be glad to find out that it's alive, but don't have high hopes.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> /Z >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 at 19:14, Jay Faulkner jay@gr-oss.io
wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hey Zakhar & Roby, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As far as governance is concerned, Freezer still exists.
But I see in git, no commits since the last 8 months. Based on your comment, do you have experience that reflects it's not functional? If it truly is abandoned, we should ensure the governance reflects that -- but right now we have the impression it should work, and was included in the bobcat release: https://releases.openstack.org/bobcat/index.html#bobcat-freezer.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jay Faulkner >>>>>>> >>>>>>> OpenStack TC Chair >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 2:07 AM Zakhar Kirpichenko <
zakhar@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's been an abandonware for at least a couple of years.
Not sure about alternatives.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> /Z >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 at 11:35, pi3.14@tuta.io wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi folks, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> is Freezer still supported? I don't see any real
development going on with it.
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is it recommended to use in a production Cloud environment? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Are there other free and open source alternatives to
Freezer?
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> Roby
--
Alvaro Soto
Note: My work hours may not be your work hours. Please do not feel
the need to respond during a time that is not convenient for you.
Great people talk about ideas, ordinary people talk about things, small people talk... about other people.
+1
On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 4:41 PM Alvaro Soto alsotoes@gmail.com wrote:
Sweet thanks. See you guys tomorrow.
Alvaro Soto.
Note: My work hours may not be your work hours. Please do not feel the need to respond during a time that is not convenient for you.
Great people talk about ideas, ordinary people talk about things, small people talk... about other people.
On Mon, Mar 18, 2024, 10:28 AM Dmitriy Rabotyagov noonedeadpunk@gmail.com wrote:
Hey there!
I've decided to add you as Current Freezer PTL in direct copy, in case you've missed the original thread. It would be great to hear from you also regarding your plans for the project and if you're interested to continue contributing to the project and the way on how we can collaborate on that.
пн, 18 мар. 2024 г. в 17:15, Dmitriy Rabotyagov <noonedeadpunk@gmail.com
:
Based on the answers, I've picked a time, which is tomorrow - Tuesday, March 19, 2024 from 4PM till 5PM UTC.
I've also created an etherpad that I will populate until the meeting a bit more: https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/freezer-status
Hope to see you tomorrow and have a productive discussion about the
project!
ср, 13 мар. 2024 г. в 18:53, Dmitriy Rabotyagov <
noonedeadpunk@gmail.com>:
Hey folks,
- Temporary DO NOT join IRC channel #openstack-freezer. We need to
empty it right now to be able to register properly through the infra process. I've made a temporary channel #freezer - feel free to use it instead. 2. I've created a poll for the timing on that short meeting: https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/e1VRnOVa I've tried to respect both UTC and CST timezones with proposed times. Please fill in the poll until Saturday, May 16 23:59 UTC. I will close the poll on Sunday morning, where the ones who voted should receive an invite.
Thanks everyone for the interest and that feels like a really good collaboration at this point!
ср, 13 мар. 2024 г. в 03:07, Satish Patel satish.txt@gmail.com:
I am with you guys, I am not a developer but I can do test things,
our code review etc. No doubt this is a great project. We all should try our best to keep it alive.
Once it's in active state then I am sure everyone will latch on it.
On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 6:18 PM Alvaro Soto alsotoes@gmail.com
wrote:
Should we set up a short meeting? I'm in CST.
I'll join the IRC channel and set up a bridge for Slack, so have
it handy.
Cheers!
On Mon, Mar 11, 2024 at 2:17 AM Dmitriy Rabotyagov <
noonedeadpunk@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'm quite short on time until April, but for sure I can try to
help
> you out with the current state and define a way forward from here. > > There's an IRC channel on OFTC #openstack-freezer (which is quite > deserted). So feel free to ping me there whenever needed. I'm
usually
> around during EU time, just in case. > > вс, 10 мар. 2024 г. в 23:59, Alvaro Soto alsotoes@gmail.com: > > > > +1 to Dmitriy's comment. > > > > I'll start looking for the ci jobs and if anybody understand
anything about how these jobs works, I'll really appreciate the help :)
> > > > Cheers. > > --- > > Alvaro Soto. > > > > Note: My work hours may not be your work hours. Please do not
feel the need to respond during a time that is not convenient for you.
> > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > Great people talk about ideas, > > ordinary people talk about things, > > small people talk... about other people. > > > > On Sun, Mar 10, 2024, 1:17 PM Dmitriy Rabotyagov <
noonedeadpunk@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >> Frankly speaking, I don't like messages I do hear lately. > >> > >> Instead of appreciating volunteers that raise here and there
into contributing to the projects and mentor them to enable their succession, we rather potential contributors from even trying to.
> >> > >> I find this quite disappointing, frankly speaking. I do know,
that everyone is very limited on resources and probably can't dedicate enough time into mentoring, but this road is only one way. Without new people and companies coming to the community it has quite vague future overall...
> >> > >> Like freezer question has raised multiple time during last
year, with everyone being afraid to use it as it's not maintained. Not saying that I was reached personally couple of times as well. But if each person who asked about it spent at least small chunk of time to the project maintenance - it would be one of the best maintained projects...
> >> > >> So probably let's check what each of interested parties can do
to keep the project alive?
> >> As otherwise the only solution for scheduling backups in
OpenStack would be either self-written or commercial solutions, which would be either longer time-to-market or just more expensive after some time then maintaining the project.
> >> > >> So I guess my point here is to motivate anybody who is
interested and raise a hand in this thread, so we can join forces and have a decent backup service in a good shape...
> >> > >> > >> On Sun, Mar 10, 2024, 19:26 Jay Faulkner jay@gr-oss.io
wrote:
> >>> > >>> Freezer is currently considered inactive[0] under our policy.
I would say based on the last patch merged[1] that was not submitted by someone on a shared OpenStack team dating to Feb 2023, it's likely to be nominated for retirement unless significant meaningful contribution comes forward quickly.
> >>> > >>> Based on this information, I would not recommend new
deployments of Freezer unless you intend on taking over maintenance of the project. I apologize for this being the case, but we'd rather be up-front about the state of the project than have you deploy something that's not actively maintained.
> >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Jay Faulkner > >>> OpenStack TC Chair > >>> > >>> 0:
https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/emerging-technology-and-inacti...
> >>> 1:
https://review.opendev.org/q/project:openstack/freezer+status:merged
> >>> > >>> On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 6:42 PM Satish Patel <
satish.txt@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> > >>>> If I am not mistaken here are the ci-job
https://review.opendev.org/q/project:openstack/freezer+status:open
> >>>> > >>>> On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 6:27 PM Alvaro Soto <
alsotoes@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> > >>>>> If somebody can explain me about the ci jobs, I can help. > >>>>> > >>>>> Cheers. > >>>>> > >>>>> --- > >>>>> Alvaro Soto. > >>>>> > >>>>> Note: My work hours may not be your work hours. Please do
not feel the need to respond during a time that is not convenient for you.
> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> Great people talk about ideas, > >>>>> ordinary people talk about things, > >>>>> small people talk... about other people. > >>>>> > >>>>> On Sat, Mar 9, 2024, 5:02 PM Satish Patel <
satish.txt@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> > >>>>>> I’m also interested in freezer but as you said because of
no activity I’m hesitant to deploy.
> >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 10:58 PM Sam Su (苏正伟) <
suzhengwei@inspur.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hi，folks， > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Recently I have tested freezer, and it still works. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I want to submit some patches which would make Freezer
more easy-to-use, but I found the ci-jobs not fixed for long time. I think the most important thing is to solve the ci-jobs firstly. Then there would be new commits.
> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Would some one help this project back to routine
maintenance?
> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 发件人: Zakhar Kirpichenko zakhar@gmail.com > >>>>>>> 发送时间: 2023年10月25日 1:24 > >>>>>>> 收件人: Jay Faulkner jay@gr-oss.io > >>>>>>> 抄送: Openstack Discuss <
openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org>
> >>>>>>> 主题: Re: [Freezer] Is Freezer dead? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thank you, Jay. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I haven't tried Freezer lately, but we tried it a couple
of years ago in our Wallaby lab and couldn't get the backend to work properly, the UI code also had some issues. Our attempts to get in touch with the devs were unsuccessful, we've never heard back. We haven't touched Freezer since then, thus I'd like to correct my statement to "after trying it and attempting to get in touch with its devs, my team assumed that Freezer was abandoned". I'd be glad to find out that it's alive, but don't have high hopes.
> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> /Z > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 at 19:14, Jay Faulkner jay@gr-oss.io
wrote:
> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hey Zakhar & Roby, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> As far as governance is concerned, Freezer still exists.
But I see in git, no commits since the last 8 months. Based on your comment, do you have experience that reflects it's not functional? If it truly is abandoned, we should ensure the governance reflects that -- but right now we have the impression it should work, and was included in the bobcat release: https://releases.openstack.org/bobcat/index.html#bobcat-freezer.
> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Jay Faulkner > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> OpenStack TC Chair > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 2:07 AM Zakhar Kirpichenko <
zakhar@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> It's been an abandonware for at least a couple of years.
Not sure about alternatives.
> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> /Z > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 at 11:35, pi3.14@tuta.io wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hi folks, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> is Freezer still supported? I don't see any real
development going on with it.
> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Is it recommended to use in a production Cloud
environment?
> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Are there other free and open source alternatives to
Freezer?
> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks > >>>>>>> Roby
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participants (8)
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Alvaro Soto
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Dmitriy Rabotyagov
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Jay Faulkner
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pi3.14＠tuta.io
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Roby G
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Sam Su (苏正伟)
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Satish Patel
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Zakhar Kirpichenko