[Interop, Users] listing interop results
Dell Customer Communication - Confidential Team, We are reviewing our openstack interop program. We have 3 base "certifications" for interop that cloud vendors can submit and foundation list on marketplace https://www.openstack.org/marketplace/ : 1. Openstack Powered Storage 2. OpenStack Powered Compute 3. OpenStack Powered Platform (combines both compute and storage) These can be viewed as the core. And there are 3 add-on programs for specific projects of openstack: 1. DNS (Designate) 2. Orchestration (Heat) 3. Shared-File-System (Manila) We have 4 categories of clouds that use interop programs and list their offering with interoperability results and logo: 1. Remotely managed private clouds - https://www.openstack.org/marketplace/remotely-managed-private-clouds/ * The latest interop guidelines listed there is 2019.11 and most are from 2017-2018 * All used OpenStack Powered Platform * Vexxhost listed without listing what guidelines they used. (Jimmy can you pull what they had submitted and update their entry) 2. Distros and Appliances - https://www.openstack.org/marketplace/distros/ : * These seems to be updated most often. Several used the latest 2020.06 guidelines * There are usage of all 3 core logos. * No add-on logos listed 3. Hosted Private Clouds - https://www.openstack.org/marketplace/hosted-private-clouds/ : * There is one entry that uses 2020.06 guidelines but most are 2016-2018. * Most for Powered Platform and one for Powered Compute 4. Public Cloud - https://www.openstack.org/marketplace/public-clouds/ : * There is one entry that uses 2020.06 guidelines but most are 2016-2018. * Mixture of Powered Platform and Powered Compute I will skip the question on the value of Marketplace program as it will be discussed separately in newly formed temporary WG under foundation to review/define Open Infrastructure Branding and Trademark policy. We need to address the issue on how to list add-ons for current openstack marketplace program. The simplest way is to add to "TESTED" OpenStack Powered Platform/Compute/Storage also add-ons that vendors passed. In the detailed section we already listing what APIs and services supported and which version. So do not see any changes needed there. Comments and suggestions please? Thanks, Arkady Kanevsky, Ph.D. SP Chief Technologist & DE Dell EMC office of CTO Dell Inc. One Dell Way, MS PS2-91 Round Rock, TX 78682, USA Phone: 512 7204955
Dell Customer Communication - Confidential Jimmy, How hard it will be to implement proposal below? Market place pages are maintained by Foundation. Thanks, Arkady From: Kanevsky, Arkady <Arkady_Kanevsky@DELL.com> Sent: Friday, February 5, 2021 4:11 PM To: openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org; Kanevsky, Arkady Cc: Jimmy McArthur; thierry@openstack.org; Allison Price Subject: [Interop, Users] listing interop results Dell Customer Communication - Confidential Team, We are reviewing our openstack interop program. We have 3 base "certifications" for interop that cloud vendors can submit and foundation list on marketplace https://www.openstack.org/marketplace/ : 1. Openstack Powered Storage 2. OpenStack Powered Compute 3. OpenStack Powered Platform (combines both compute and storage) These can be viewed as the core. And there are 3 add-on programs for specific projects of openstack: 1. DNS (Designate) 2. Orchestration (Heat) 3. Shared-File-System (Manila) We have 4 categories of clouds that use interop programs and list their offering with interoperability results and logo: 1. Remotely managed private clouds - https://www.openstack.org/marketplace/remotely-managed-private-clouds/ * The latest interop guidelines listed there is 2019.11 and most are from 2017-2018 * All used OpenStack Powered Platform * Vexxhost listed without listing what guidelines they used. (Jimmy can you pull what they had submitted and update their entry) 2. Distros and Appliances - https://www.openstack.org/marketplace/distros/ : * These seems to be updated most often. Several used the latest 2020.06 guidelines * There are usage of all 3 core logos. * No add-on logos listed 3. Hosted Private Clouds - https://www.openstack.org/marketplace/hosted-private-clouds/ : * There is one entry that uses 2020.06 guidelines but most are 2016-2018. * Most for Powered Platform and one for Powered Compute 4. Public Cloud - https://www.openstack.org/marketplace/public-clouds/ : * There is one entry that uses 2020.06 guidelines but most are 2016-2018. * Mixture of Powered Platform and Powered Compute I will skip the question on the value of Marketplace program as it will be discussed separately in newly formed temporary WG under foundation to review/define Open Infrastructure Branding and Trademark policy. We need to address the issue on how to list add-ons for current openstack marketplace program. The simplest way is to add to "TESTED" OpenStack Powered Platform/Compute/Storage also add-ons that vendors passed. In the detailed section we already listing what APIs and services supported and which version. So do not see any changes needed there. Comments and suggestions please? Thanks, Arkady Kanevsky, Ph.D. SP Chief Technologist & DE Dell EMC office of CTO Dell Inc. One Dell Way, MS PS2-91 Round Rock, TX 78682, USA Phone: 512 7204955
Hi Arkady, Some additional questions... Are the new add-ons already part of Interop testing? IOW, how would we know which companies qualified? Are you thinking these new add-ons should qualify as part of an existing logo program (e.g. one of the powereds) or they would have their own logo? The "Tested" area where you're suggesting we add these is pretty crowded as it is. Would want to be sure I understand #2 above before deciding if this is the best spot. Would want to work with our design team after we see what we're dealing with. Thanks, Jimmy On Feb 12 2021, at 8:05 am, Kanevsky, Arkady <Arkady.Kanevsky@dell.com> wrote:
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Jimmy, How hard it will be to implement proposal below? Market place pages are maintained by Foundation. Thanks, Arkady
From: Kanevsky, Arkady <Arkady_Kanevsky@DELL.com> Sent: Friday, February 5, 2021 4:11 PM To: openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org; Kanevsky, Arkady Cc: Jimmy McArthur; thierry@openstack.org; Allison Price Subject: [Interop, Users] listing interop results
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Team, We are reviewing our openstack interop program.
We have 3 base “certifications” for interop that cloud vendors can submit and foundation list on marketplace https://www.openstack.org/marketplace/ : Openstack Powered Storage OpenStack Powered Compute
OpenStack Powered Platform (combines both compute and storage)
These can be viewed as the core. And there are 3 add-on programs for specific projects of openstack:
DNS (Designate) Orchestration (Heat)
Shared-File-System (Manila)
We have 4 categories of clouds that use interop programs and list their offering with interoperability results and logo: Remotely managed private clouds - https://www.openstack.org/marketplace/remotely-managed-private-clouds/ The latest interop guidelines listed there is 2019.11 and most are from 2017-2018
All used OpenStack Powered Platform
Vexxhost listed without listing what guidelines they used. (Jimmy can you pull what they had submitted and update their entry)
Distros and Appliances - https://www.openstack.org/marketplace/distros/ :
These seems to be updated most often. Several used the latest 2020.06 guidelines
There are usage of all 3 core logos.
No add-on logos listed
Hosted Private Clouds - https://www.openstack.org/marketplace/hosted-private-clouds/ :
There is one entry that uses 2020.06 guidelines but most are 2016-2018.
Most for Powered Platform and one for Powered Compute
Public Cloud - https://www.openstack.org/marketplace/public-clouds/ :
There is one entry that uses 2020.06 guidelines but most are 2016-2018.
Mixture of Powered Platform and Powered Compute
I will skip the question on the value of Marketplace program as it will be discussed separately in newly formed temporary WG under foundation to review/define Open Infrastructure Branding and Trademark policy.
We need to address the issue on how to list add-ons for current openstack marketplace program. The simplest way is to add to “TESTED” OpenStack Powered Platform/Compute/Storage also add-ons that vendors passed. In the detailed section we already listing what APIs and services supported and which version. So do not see any changes needed there.
Comments and suggestions please?
Thanks, Arkady Kanevsky, Ph.D. SP Chief Technologist & DE Dell EMC office of CTO Dell Inc. One Dell Way, MS PS2-91 Round Rock, TX 78682, USA Phone: 512 7204955
Dell Customer Communication - Confidential Jimmy, Answers inline. By the way we have weekly meeting on interop/refstack and all discussions are recorded on https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/interop Every Fridays at 1700 UTC <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?hour=17&min=00&sec=0> on https://meetpad.opendev.org/Interop-WG-weekly-meeting for this specific meeting Current Meeting Logs on etherpad - https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/interop Organizer (to contact for more information): Arkady Kanevsky Committee Members Include: Prakash Ramchandran / Arkady Kanevsky Co-chairs - Mark Voelker, Ghanshyam Mann (TC member) For Governance information, please refer to the wiki page at: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/InteropWG Also not sure where we record PTL for Interop but it is not where PTLs for all other projects are recorded. Prakash transferred PTL to me but he is still core in the group. Thanks, Arkady From: Jimmy McArthur <jimmy@openstack.org> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2021 12:29 PM To: openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org Cc: thierry@openstack.org; Allison Price; Kanevsky, Arkady Subject: Re: [Interop, Users] listing interop results [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Hi Arkady, Some additional questions... 1. Are the new add-ons already part of Interop testing? IOW, how would we know which companies qualified? Yes. Two of them have been around for about 3 years, and FileSystem (manila) was added in 2020.11 guidelines. 1. Are you thinking these new add-ons should qualify as part of an existing logo program (e.g. one of the powereds) or they would have their own logo? They are part of the same guideline definition. Thus, they are part of the same Logo program. If you look at https://refstack01.openstack.org/#/ you see that both DNS and Orchestration add-ons are already covered. FileSystem is in progress to be added. 1. The "Tested" area where you're suggesting we add these is pretty crowded as it is. Would want to be sure I understand #2 above before deciding if this is the best spot. Would want to work with our design team after we see what we're dealing with. Sure. For both core logos and add-ons the same guidelines should be used. Thus, I am proposing to enhance TESTED OpenStack Powered Compute 2020.06 -> TESTED OpenStack Powered Compute, DNS & Orchestration 2020.06 But if it easier to do multiple lines or something else we can consider any option as long we list add-ons. Thanks, Jimmy On Feb 12 2021, at 8:05 am, Kanevsky, Arkady <Arkady.Kanevsky@dell.com<mailto:Arkady.Kanevsky@dell.com>> wrote: Dell Customer Communication - Confidential Jimmy, How hard it will be to implement proposal below? Market place pages are maintained by Foundation. Thanks, Arkady From: Kanevsky, Arkady <Arkady_Kanevsky@DELL.com<mailto:Arkady_Kanevsky@DELL.com>> Sent: Friday, February 5, 2021 4:11 PM To: openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org<mailto:openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org>; Kanevsky, Arkady Cc: Jimmy McArthur; thierry@openstack.org<mailto:thierry@openstack.org>; Allison Price Subject: [Interop, Users] listing interop results Dell Customer Communication - Confidential Team, We are reviewing our openstack interop program. We have 3 base "certifications" for interop that cloud vendors can submit and foundation list on marketplace https://www.openstack.org/marketplace/ : 1. Openstack Powered Storage 1. OpenStack Powered Compute 1. OpenStack Powered Platform (combines both compute and storage) These can be viewed as the core. And there are 3 add-on programs for specific projects of openstack: 1. DNS (Designate) 1. Orchestration (Heat) 1. Shared-File-System (Manila) We have 4 categories of clouds that use interop programs and list their offering with interoperability results and logo: 1. Remotely managed private clouds - https://www.openstack.org/marketplace/remotely-managed-private-clouds/ 1. * The latest interop guidelines listed there is 2019.11 and most are from 2017-2018 * All used OpenStack Powered Platform * Vexxhost listed without listing what guidelines they used. (Jimmy can you pull what they had submitted and update their entry) 1. Distros and Appliances - https://www.openstack.org/marketplace/distros/ : 1. * These seems to be updated most often. Several used the latest 2020.06 guidelines * There are usage of all 3 core logos. * No add-on logos listed 1. Hosted Private Clouds - https://www.openstack.org/marketplace/hosted-private-clouds/ : 1. * There is one entry that uses 2020.06 guidelines but most are 2016-2018. * Most for Powered Platform and one for Powered Compute 1. Public Cloud - https://www.openstack.org/marketplace/public-clouds/ : 1. * There is one entry that uses 2020.06 guidelines but most are 2016-2018. * Mixture of Powered Platform and Powered Compute I will skip the question on the value of Marketplace program as it will be discussed separately in newly formed temporary WG under foundation to review/define Open Infrastructure Branding and Trademark policy. We need to address the issue on how to list add-ons for current openstack marketplace program. The simplest way is to add to "TESTED" OpenStack Powered Platform/Compute/Storage also add-ons that vendors passed. In the detailed section we already listing what APIs and services supported and which version. So do not see any changes needed there. Comments and suggestions please? Thanks, Arkady Kanevsky, Ph.D. SP Chief Technologist & DE Dell EMC office of CTO Dell Inc. One Dell Way, MS PS2-91 Round Rock, TX 78682, USA Phone: 512 7204955
On 2021-02-12 19:17:41 +0000 (+0000), Kanevsky, Arkady wrote: [...]
Also not sure where we record PTL for Interop but it is not where PTLs for all other projects are recorded. Prakash transferred PTL to me but he is still core in the group. [...]
The Interop Working Group is not an OpenStack Project Team so it would have no PTL (Project Team Lead). It's formed as a committee of the Open Infrastructure Foundation Board of Directors, so could presumably have a Committee Chair? But regardless it wouldn't be documented where OpenStack lists its official project teams because it isn't one. There was at one time a RefStack project team, but it was dissolved when https://review.openstack.org/590179 merged in August 2018, and its repositories were put in the care of the Interop WG at that time. -- Jeremy Stanley
---- On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 13:39:27 -0600 Jeremy Stanley <fungi@yuggoth.org> wrote ----
On 2021-02-12 19:17:41 +0000 (+0000), Kanevsky, Arkady wrote: [...]
Also not sure where we record PTL for Interop but it is not where PTLs for all other projects are recorded. Prakash transferred PTL to me but he is still core in the group. [...]
The Interop Working Group is not an OpenStack Project Team so it would have no PTL (Project Team Lead). It's formed as a committee of the Open Infrastructure Foundation Board of Directors, so could presumably have a Committee Chair? But regardless it wouldn't be documented where OpenStack lists its official project teams because it isn't one. There was at one time a RefStack project team, but it was dissolved when https://review.openstack.org/590179 merged in August 2018, and its repositories were put in the care of the Interop WG at that time.
Yeah, its 'Chair' and 'co-chair' terms are used for interop WG leaders. Having listed that in the section called 'Current Chair (Co-Chair)' on the wiki page should be enough. -gmann
-- Jeremy Stanley
Hey Arkady, Your proposal makes sense and I think it's something we could implement under "Tested" as you suggest. Let me open a ticket for our team. Re: Interop meetings - I will add these to my calendar and try to attend. Thanks, Jimmy On Feb 12 2021, at 1:17 pm, Kanevsky, Arkady <Arkady.Kanevsky@dell.com> wrote:
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Jimmy, Answers inline. By the way we have weekly meeting on interop/refstack and all discussions are recorded on https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/interop
Every Fridays at 1700 UTC (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?hour=17&min=00&sec=0)on https://meetpad.opendev.org/Interop-WG-weekly-meeting for this specific meeting
Current Meeting Logs on etherpad - https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/interop
Organizer (to contact for more information): Arkady Kanevsky Committee Members Include: Prakash Ramchandran / Arkady Kanevsky Co-chairs – Mark Voelker, Ghanshyam Mann (TC member)
For Governance information, please refer to the wiki page at: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/InteropWG
Also not sure where we record PTL for Interop but it is not where PTLs for all other projects are recorded. Prakash transferred PTL to me but he is still core in the group.
Thanks, Arkady
From: Jimmy McArthur <jimmy@openstack.org> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2021 12:29 PM To: openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org Cc: thierry@openstack.org; Allison Price; Kanevsky, Arkady Subject: Re: [Interop, Users] listing interop results
[EXTERNAL EMAIL] Hi Arkady,
Some additional questions...
Are the new add-ons already part of Interop testing? IOW, how would we know which companies qualified? Yes. Two of them have been around for about 3 years, and FileSystem (manila) was added in 2020.11 guidelines.
Are you thinking these new add-ons should qualify as part of an existing logo program (e.g. one of the powereds) or they would have their own logo?
They are part of the same guideline definition. Thus, they are part of the same Logo program. If you look at https://refstack01.openstack.org/#/ you see that both DNS and Orchestration add-ons are already covered. FileSystem is in progress to be added.
The "Tested" area where you're suggesting we add these is pretty crowded as it is. Would want to be sure I understand #2 above before deciding if this is the best spot. Would want to work with our design team after we see what we're dealing with.
Sure. For both core logos and add-ons the same guidelines should be used. Thus, I am proposing to enhance
TESTED OpenStack Powered Compute 2020.06 ->
TESTED OpenStack Powered Compute, DNS & Orchestration 2020.06
But if it easier to do multiple lines or something else we can consider any option as long we list add-ons. Thanks,
Jimmy
On Feb 12 2021, at 8:05 am, Kanevsky, Arkady <Arkady.Kanevsky@dell.com (mailto:Arkady.Kanevsky@dell.com)> wrote:
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Jimmy,
How hard it will be to implement proposal below?
Market place pages are maintained by Foundation.
Thanks,
Arkady
From: Kanevsky, Arkady <Arkady_Kanevsky@DELL.com (mailto:Arkady_Kanevsky@DELL.com)> Sent: Friday, February 5, 2021 4:11 PM
To: openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org (mailto:openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org); Kanevsky, Arkady
Cc: Jimmy McArthur; thierry@openstack.org (mailto:thierry@openstack.org); Allison Price
Subject: [Interop, Users] listing interop results
Dell Customer Communication - Confidential
Team,
We are reviewing our openstack interop program.
We have 3 base “certifications” for interop that cloud vendors can submit and foundation list on marketplace https://www.openstack.org/marketplace/ :
Openstack Powered Storage OpenStack Powered Compute
OpenStack Powered Platform (combines both compute and storage)
These can be viewed as the core. And there are 3 add-on programs for specific projects of openstack:
DNS (Designate) Orchestration (Heat)
Shared-File-System (Manila)
We have 4 categories of clouds that use interop programs and list their offering with interoperability results and logo:
Remotely managed private clouds - https://www.openstack.org/marketplace/remotely-managed-private-clouds/
The latest interop guidelines listed there is 2019.11 and most are from 2017-2018
All used OpenStack Powered Platform
Vexxhost listed without listing what guidelines they used. (Jimmy can you pull what they had submitted and update their entry)
Distros and Appliances - https://www.openstack.org/marketplace/distros/ :
These seems to be updated most often. Several used the latest 2020.06 guidelines
There are usage of all 3 core logos.
No add-on logos listed
Hosted Private Clouds - https://www.openstack.org/marketplace/hosted-private-clouds/ :
There is one entry that uses 2020.06 guidelines but most are 2016-2018.
Most for Powered Platform and one for Powered Compute
Public Cloud - https://www.openstack.org/marketplace/public-clouds/ :
There is one entry that uses 2020.06 guidelines but most are 2016-2018.
Mixture of Powered Platform and Powered Compute
I will skip the question on the value of Marketplace program as it will be discussed separately in newly formed temporary WG under foundation to review/define Open Infrastructure Branding and Trademark policy.
We need to address the issue on how to list add-ons for current openstack marketplace program.
The simplest way is to add to “TESTED” OpenStack Powered Platform/Compute/Storage also add-ons that vendors passed.
In the detailed section we already listing what APIs and services supported and which version.
So do not see any changes needed there.
Comments and suggestions please?
Thanks,
Arkady Kanevsky, Ph.D.
SP Chief Technologist & DE
Dell EMC office of CTO
Dell Inc. One Dell Way, MS PS2-91
Round Rock, TX 78682, USA
Phone: 512 7204955
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