Fwd: [TRIPLEO] - ZUN Support in TripleO
Hello Everyone, We are curious in understanding the usage of ZUN Sevice in TripleO with respect to which we have questions as below: 1. Does TripleO Support ZUN? 2. If not then, is there any alternative to deploy containerize services in TripleO? Any support with respect to the questions raised will definitely help us in deciding the tripleO usage. -- ~ Lokendra skype: lokendrarathour
On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 11:36 AM Lokendra Rathour <lokendrarathour@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Everyone, We are curious in understanding the usage of ZUN Sevice in TripleO with respect to which we have questions as below:
1. Does TripleO Support ZUN?
no
1. If not then, is there any alternative to deploy containerize services in TripleO?
yes we have been deploying services with containers since queens and this is the default (in fact we have stopped supporting non containerized services altogether for a few releases now). For the default list of containers see [1] and information regarding the deployment can be found in [2] (though note that is community best effort docs so beware it may be a bit outdated in places). hope it helps for now regards, marios [1] https://opendev.org/openstack/tripleo-common/src/commit/5836974cf216f5230843... [2] https://docs.openstack.org/project-deploy-guide/tripleo-docs/latest/deployme... Any support with respect to the questions raised will definitely help us in
deciding the tripleO usage.
-- ~ Lokendra skype: lokendrarathour
Hi Marios, Thank you for the information. With respect to the *second question*, please note: "is there any alternative to deploy containerize services in TripleO?" In our use case, in addition to having our workloads in VNFs, we also want to have containerized deployment of certain workloads on top of OpenStack. Zun service could give us that flexibility. Is there any reason that deployment of Zun with TripleO is not supported? And is there an alternative to Zun that the community is using in productions for deploying containerized workloads on top of OpenStack? please advise. Regards, Lokendra On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 3:16 PM Marios Andreou <marios@redhat.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 11:36 AM Lokendra Rathour < lokendrarathour@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Everyone, We are curious in understanding the usage of ZUN Sevice in TripleO with respect to which we have questions as below:
1. Does TripleO Support ZUN?
no
1. If not then, is there any alternative to deploy containerize services in TripleO?
yes we have been deploying services with containers since queens and this is the default (in fact we have stopped supporting non containerized services altogether for a few releases now). For the default list of containers see [1] and information regarding the deployment can be found in [2] (though note that is community best effort docs so beware it may be a bit outdated in places).
hope it helps for now
regards, marios
[1] https://opendev.org/openstack/tripleo-common/src/commit/5836974cf216f5230843... [2] https://docs.openstack.org/project-deploy-guide/tripleo-docs/latest/deployme...
Any support with respect to the questions raised will definitely help us
in deciding the tripleO usage.
-- ~ Lokendra skype: lokendrarathour
-- ~ Lokendra www.inertiaspeaks.com www.inertiagroups.com skype: lokendrarathour
On Tue, 2021-06-29 at 15:52 +0530, Lokendra Rathour wrote:
Hi Marios, Thank you for the information.
With respect to the *second question*, please note: "is there any alternative to deploy containerize services in TripleO?"
In our use case, in addition to having our workloads in VNFs, we also want to have containerized deployment of certain workloads on top of OpenStack. Zun service could give us that flexibility. Is there any reason that deployment of Zun with TripleO is not supported? And is there an alternative to Zun that the community is using in productions for deploying containerized workloads on top of OpenStack?
i think marios's resopnce missed that zun is the containers as a service project which provide an alternitive to nova or ironci to provision compute resouces as containers directly on the physical hosts. in ooo term deploying tenant contaienrs directly on the overcloud host with docker or podman. i dont think ooo currently supports this as it is not listed in https://opendev.org/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/src/branch/master/deplo... so to answer your orginal questrion this does not appear to be currently supported.
please advise.
Regards, Lokendra
On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 3:16 PM Marios Andreou <marios@redhat.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 11:36 AM Lokendra Rathour < lokendrarathour@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Everyone, We are curious in understanding the usage of ZUN Sevice in TripleO with respect to which we have questions as below:
1. Does TripleO Support ZUN?
no
1. If not then, is there any alternative to deploy containerize services in TripleO?
yes we have been deploying services with containers since queens and this is the default (in fact we have stopped supporting non containerized services altogether for a few releases now). For the default list of containers see [1] and information regarding the deployment can be found in [2] (though note that is community best effort docs so beware it may be a bit outdated in places).
hope it helps for now
regards, marios
[1] https://opendev.org/openstack/tripleo-common/src/commit/5836974cf216f5230843... [2] https://docs.openstack.org/project-deploy-guide/tripleo-docs/latest/deployme...
Any support with respect to the questions raised will definitely help us
in deciding the tripleO usage.
-- ~ Lokendra skype: lokendrarathour
On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 4:45 PM Sean Mooney <smooney@redhat.com> wrote:
On Tue, 2021-06-29 at 15:52 +0530, Lokendra Rathour wrote:
Hi Marios, Thank you for the information.
With respect to the *second question*, please note: "is there any alternative to deploy containerize services in TripleO?"
In our use case, in addition to having our workloads in VNFs, we also want to have containerized deployment of certain workloads on top of OpenStack. Zun service could give us that flexibility. Is there any reason that deployment of Zun with TripleO is not supported? And is there an alternative to Zun that the community is using in productions for deploying containerized workloads on top of OpenStack?
i think marios's resopnce missed that zun is the containers as a service project which provide an alternitive to nova or ironci to provision compute resouces as containers directly on the physical hosts. in ooo term deploying tenant contaienrs directly on the overcloud host with docker or podman.
indeed I did as I got from Lokendra's reply earlier
i dont think ooo currently supports this as it is not listed in https://opendev.org/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/src/branch/master/deplo... so to answer your orginal questrion this does not appear to be currently supported.
and this isn't somethign I have seen brought up on the irc meetings, ptg or elsewhere. That isn't to say it's impossible (it may be, i just don't know enough about it to say right now ;)). Of course anyone is free to propose a spec about how this might look and get some feedback before working on it in tripleo. regards, marios
please advise.
Regards, Lokendra
On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 3:16 PM Marios Andreou <marios@redhat.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 11:36 AM Lokendra Rathour < lokendrarathour@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Everyone, We are curious in understanding the usage of ZUN Sevice in TripleO with respect to which we have questions as below:
1. Does TripleO Support ZUN?
no
1. If not then, is there any alternative to deploy containerize services in TripleO?
yes we have been deploying services with containers since queens and this is the default (in fact we have stopped supporting non containerized services altogether for a few releases now). For the default list of containers see [1] and information regarding the deployment can be found in [2] (though note that is community best effort docs so beware it may be a bit outdated in places).
hope it helps for now
regards, marios
[1] https://opendev.org/openstack/tripleo-common/src/commit/5836974cf216f5230843... [2] https://docs.openstack.org/project-deploy-guide/tripleo-docs/latest/deployme...
Any support with respect to the questions raised will definitely help us
in deciding the tripleO usage.
-- ~ Lokendra skype: lokendrarathour
Hi, I am a maintainer of the Zun project. From my perspective, I would like to have Zun supported by different deployment tools to minimize complexities for installing and managing the service. If TripleO community interests to add support for Zun, I am happy to provide necessary supports. @Lokendra, if you are open to consider alternative tools, I would suggest Kolla [1]. Its support for Zun is quite solid and has CI to cover some basic senario. Another tool is OpenStack Ansible [2]. I didn't try that one myself but it has Zun support based on their document [3]. Lastly, the Zun community maintains an installation guide [4] which you can refer if you want to install it manually. [1] https://docs.openstack.org/kolla-ansible/queens/reference/zun-guide.html [2] https://docs.openstack.org/openstack-ansible/latest/ [3] https://docs.openstack.org/openstack-ansible-os_zun/latest/ [4] https://docs.openstack.org/zun/latest/install/ Best regards, Hongbin At 2021-06-30 00:06:50, "Marios Andreou" <marios@redhat.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 4:45 PM Sean Mooney <smooney@redhat.com> wrote:
On Tue, 2021-06-29 at 15:52 +0530, Lokendra Rathour wrote:
Hi Marios, Thank you for the information.
With respect to the *second question*, please note: "is there any alternative to deploy containerize services in TripleO?"
In our use case, in addition to having our workloads in VNFs, we also want to have containerized deployment of certain workloads on top of OpenStack. Zun service could give us that flexibility. Is there any reason that deployment of Zun with TripleO is not supported? And is there an alternative to Zun that the community is using in productions for deploying containerized workloads on top of OpenStack?
i think marios's resopnce missed that zun is the containers as a service project which provide an alternitive to nova or ironci to provision compute resouces as containers directly on the physical hosts. in ooo term deploying tenant contaienrs directly on the overcloud host with docker or podman.
indeed I did as I got from Lokendra's reply earlier
i dont think ooo currently supports this as it is not listed in https://opendev.org/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/src/branch/master/deplo... so to answer your orginal questrion this does not appear to be currently supported.
and this isn't somethign I have seen brought up on the irc meetings, ptg or elsewhere. That isn't to say it's impossible (it may be, i just don't know enough about it to say right now ;)). Of course anyone is free to propose a spec about how this might look and get some feedback before working on it in tripleo.
regards, marios
please advise.
Regards, Lokendra
On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 3:16 PM Marios Andreou <marios@redhat.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 11:36 AM Lokendra Rathour < lokendrarathour@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Everyone, We are curious in understanding the usage of ZUN Sevice in TripleO with respect to which we have questions as below:
1. Does TripleO Support ZUN?
no
1. If not then, is there any alternative to deploy containerize services in TripleO?
yes we have been deploying services with containers since queens and this is the default (in fact we have stopped supporting non containerized services altogether for a few releases now). For the default list of containers see [1] and information regarding the deployment can be found in [2] (though note that is community best effort docs so beware it may be a bit outdated in places).
hope it helps for now
regards, marios
[1] https://opendev.org/openstack/tripleo-common/src/commit/5836974cf216f5230843... [2] https://docs.openstack.org/project-deploy-guide/tripleo-docs/latest/deployme...
Any support with respect to the questions raised will definitely help us
in deciding the tripleO usage.
-- ~ Lokendra skype: lokendrarathour
Finally, Zun is also fully supported by Kolla Ansible: https://docs.openstack.org/kolla-ansible/wallaby/reference/compute/zun-guide... It is tested on a regular basis in our CI too. -yoctozepto On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 9:19 AM Hongbin Lu <kira034@163.com> wrote:
Hi,
I am a maintainer of the Zun project. From my perspective, I would like to have Zun supported by different deployment tools to minimize complexities for installing and managing the service. If TripleO community interests to add support for Zun, I am happy to provide necessary supports.
@Lokendra, if you are open to consider alternative tools, I would suggest Kolla [1]. Its support for Zun is quite solid and has CI to cover some basic senario. Another tool is OpenStack Ansible [2]. I didn't try that one myself but it has Zun support based on their document [3]. Lastly, the Zun community maintains an installation guide [4] which you can refer if you want to install it manually.
[1] https://docs.openstack.org/kolla-ansible/queens/reference/zun-guide.html
[2] https://docs.openstack.org/openstack-ansible/latest/
[3] https://docs.openstack.org/openstack-ansible-os_zun/latest/
[4] https://docs.openstack.org/zun/latest/install/
Best regards, Hongbin
At 2021-06-30 00:06:50, "Marios Andreou" <marios@redhat.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 4:45 PM Sean Mooney <smooney@redhat.com> wrote:
On Tue, 2021-06-29 at 15:52 +0530, Lokendra Rathour wrote:
Hi Marios, Thank you for the information.
With respect to the *second question*, please note: "is there any alternative to deploy containerize services in TripleO?"
In our use case, in addition to having our workloads in VNFs, we also want to have containerized deployment of certain workloads on top of OpenStack. Zun service could give us that flexibility. Is there any reason that deployment of Zun with TripleO is not supported? And is there an alternative to Zun that the community is using in productions for deploying containerized workloads on top of OpenStack?
i think marios's resopnce missed that zun is the containers as a service project which provide an alternitive to nova or ironci to provision compute resouces as containers directly on the physical hosts. in ooo term deploying tenant contaienrs directly on the overcloud host with docker or podman.
indeed I did as I got from Lokendra's reply earlier
i dont think ooo currently supports this as it is not listed in https://opendev.org/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/src/branch/master/deplo... so to answer your orginal questrion this does not appear to be currently supported.
and this isn't somethign I have seen brought up on the irc meetings, ptg or elsewhere. That isn't to say it's impossible (it may be, i just don't know enough about it to say right now ;)). Of course anyone is free to propose a spec about how this might look and get some feedback before working on it in tripleo.
regards, marios
please advise.
Regards, Lokendra
On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 3:16 PM Marios Andreou <marios@redhat.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 11:36 AM Lokendra Rathour < lokendrarathour@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Everyone, We are curious in understanding the usage of ZUN Sevice in TripleO with respect to which we have questions as below:
1. Does TripleO Support ZUN?
no
1. If not then, is there any alternative to deploy containerize services in TripleO?
yes we have been deploying services with containers since queens and this is the default (in fact we have stopped supporting non containerized services altogether for a few releases now). For the default list of containers see [1] and information regarding the deployment can be found in [2] (though note that is community best effort docs so beware it may be a bit outdated in places).
hope it helps for now
regards, marios
[1] https://opendev.org/openstack/tripleo-common/src/commit/5836974cf216f5230843... [2] https://docs.openstack.org/project-deploy-guide/tripleo-docs/latest/deployme...
Any support with respect to the questions raised will definitely help us
in deciding the tripleO usage.
-- ~ Lokendra skype: lokendrarathour
On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 4:22 PM Hongbin Lu <kira034@163.com> wrote:
Hi,
I am a maintainer of the Zun project. From my perspective, I would like to have Zun supported by different deployment tools to minimize complexities for installing and managing the service. If TripleO community interests to add support for Zun, I am happy to provide necessary supports.
Because TripleO relies on modulus maintained by Puppet OpenStack project to manipulate configurations, you'd need to start with creating a new puppet module (puppet-zun) for it. Also, we need distro packages to support zun in Puppet OpenStack and TripleO. Puppet-openstack relies on packages to install services , and TripleO relies on RDO in CI. I quickly checked RDO but it seems there are no zun packages there. Also Ubuntu has zunclient packaged[2] but no packages available for server side. [1] https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=zun&searchon=names
@Lokendra, if you are open to consider alternative tools, I would suggest Kolla [1]. Its support for Zun is quite solid and has CI to cover some basic senario. Another tool is OpenStack Ansible [2]. I didn't try that one myself but it has Zun support based on their document [3]. Lastly, the Zun community maintains an installation guide [4] which you can refer if you want to install it manually.
[1] https://docs.openstack.org/kolla-ansible/queens/reference/zun-guide.html
[2] https://docs.openstack.org/openstack-ansible/latest/
[3] https://docs.openstack.org/openstack-ansible-os_zun/latest/
[4] https://docs.openstack.org/zun/latest/install/
Best regards, Hongbin
At 2021-06-30 00:06:50, "Marios Andreou" <marios@redhat.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 4:45 PM Sean Mooney <smooney@redhat.com> wrote:
On Tue, 2021-06-29 at 15:52 +0530, Lokendra Rathour wrote:
Hi Marios, Thank you for the information.
With respect to the *second question*, please note: "is there any alternative to deploy containerize services in TripleO?"
In our use case, in addition to having our workloads in VNFs, we also want to have containerized deployment of certain workloads on top of OpenStack. Zun service could give us that flexibility. Is there any reason that deployment of Zun with TripleO is not supported? And is there an alternative to Zun that the community is using in productions for deploying containerized workloads on top of OpenStack?
i think marios's resopnce missed that zun is the containers as a service project which provide an alternitive to nova or ironci to provision compute resouces as containers directly on the physical hosts. in ooo term deploying tenant contaienrs directly on the overcloud host with docker or podman.
indeed I did as I got from Lokendra's reply earlier
i dont think ooo currently supports this as it is not listed in https://opendev.org/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/src/branch/master/deplo... so to answer your orginal questrion this does not appear to be currently supported.
and this isn't somethign I have seen brought up on the irc meetings, ptg or elsewhere. That isn't to say it's impossible (it may be, i just don't know enough about it to say right now ;)). Of course anyone is free to propose a spec about how this might look and get some feedback before working on it in tripleo.
regards, marios
please advise.
Regards, Lokendra
On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 3:16 PM Marios Andreou <marios@redhat.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 11:36 AM Lokendra Rathour < lokendrarathour@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Everyone, We are curious in understanding the usage of ZUN Sevice in TripleO with respect to which we have questions as below:
1. Does TripleO Support ZUN?
no
1. If not then, is there any alternative to deploy containerize services in TripleO?
yes we have been deploying services with containers since queens and this is the default (in fact we have stopped supporting non containerized services altogether for a few releases now). For the default list of containers see [1] and information regarding the deployment can be found in [2] (though note that is community best effort docs so beware it may be a bit outdated in places).
hope it helps for now
regards, marios
[1] https://opendev.org/openstack/tripleo-common/src/commit/5836974cf216f5230843... [2] https://docs.openstack.org/project-deploy-guide/tripleo-docs/latest/deployme...
Any support with respect to the questions raised will definitely help us
in deciding the tripleO usage.
-- ~ Lokendra skype: lokendrarathour
participants (6)
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Hongbin Lu
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Lokendra Rathour
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Marios Andreou
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Radosław Piliszek
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Sean Mooney
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Takashi Kajinami