[kolla][kayobe] vote: kayobe as a kolla deliverable
Hi,
In the most recent kolla meeting [1] we discussed the possibility of kayobe becoming a deliverable of the kolla project. This follows on from discussion at the PTG and then on here [3].
The two options discussed are:
1. become a deliverable of the Kolla project 2. become an official top level OpenStack project
There has been some positive feedback about option 1 and no negative feedback that I am aware of. I would therefore like to ask the kolla community to vote on whether to include kayobe as a deliverable of the kolla project. The electorate is the kolla-core and kolla-ansible core teams, excluding me. The opinion of others in the community is also welcome.
If you have questions or feedback, please respond to this email.
Once you have made a decision, please respond with your answer to the following question:
"Should kayobe become a deliverable of the kolla project?" (yes/no)
Thanks, Mark
[1] http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2019/kolla.2019-06-19-15.00.lo... [2] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-train-ptg [3] http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-June/006901.html
Hi Mark,
non-core voice here. :-)
I had the chance to express my opinion already during yesterday's meeting (as yoctozepto) but I want to expand it. For me it's natural that kayobe becomes a deliverable of kolla ("yes" aka "option 1") since it extends its goals. As kolla-ansible makes kolla images deployable, kayobe makes kolla-ansible apply to bare metal. Time will tell if someone comes up with an idea to take this even further (whatever that might be). ;-)
Kind regards, Radek
czw., 20 cze 2019 o 15:53 Mark Goddard mark@stackhpc.com napisał(a):
Hi,
In the most recent kolla meeting [1] we discussed the possibility of kayobe becoming a deliverable of the kolla project. This follows on from discussion at the PTG and then on here [3].
The two options discussed are:
- become a deliverable of the Kolla project
- become an official top level OpenStack project
There has been some positive feedback about option 1 and no negative feedback that I am aware of. I would therefore like to ask the kolla community to vote on whether to include kayobe as a deliverable of the kolla project. The electorate is the kolla-core and kolla-ansible core teams, excluding me. The opinion of others in the community is also welcome.
If you have questions or feedback, please respond to this email.
Once you have made a decision, please respond with your answer to the following question:
"Should kayobe become a deliverable of the kolla project?" (yes/no)
Thanks, Mark
[1] http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2019/kolla.2019-06-19-15.00.lo... [2] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-train-ptg [3] http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-June/006901.html
Hi Mark,
Before I will vote - I would like to understand the future of Kayobe.
Is the plan for it to stay as it is currently (Kolla on Bifrost)? Or rather to evolve and fill the place of kolla-cli?
If we include it as a kolla deliverable - will it not have impact on it's current developers and cores? We already had a kolla-cli project, and when the creators left, nobody was there to pick it up...
Thanks, Michal
czw., 20 cze 2019 o 15:51 Mark Goddard mark@stackhpc.com napisał(a):
Hi,
In the most recent kolla meeting [1] we discussed the possibility of kayobe becoming a deliverable of the kolla project. This follows on from discussion at the PTG and then on here [3].
The two options discussed are:
- become a deliverable of the Kolla project
- become an official top level OpenStack project
There has been some positive feedback about option 1 and no negative feedback that I am aware of. I would therefore like to ask the kolla community to vote on whether to include kayobe as a deliverable of the kolla project. The electorate is the kolla-core and kolla-ansible core teams, excluding me. The opinion of others in the community is also welcome.
If you have questions or feedback, please respond to this email.
Once you have made a decision, please respond with your answer to the following question:
"Should kayobe become a deliverable of the kolla project?" (yes/no)
Thanks, Mark
[1] http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2019/kolla.2019-06-19-15.00.lo... [2] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-train-ptg [3] http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-June/006901.html
On Tue, 25 Jun 2019 at 10:09, Michał Nasiadka mnasiadka@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Mark,
Before I will vote - I would like to understand the future of Kayobe.
Is the plan for it to stay as it is currently (Kolla on Bifrost)? Or rather to evolve and fill the place of kolla-cli?
I think it has potential to fill a kolla-cli like role. There are deployments of kayobe that do not use the bare metal deployment features. In that case you can still use the host configuration features (networking, local storage, etc). There are also some configuration patterns encouraged by kayobe such as version controlled configuration (e.g. https://github.com/SKA-ScienceDataProcessor/alaska-kayobe-config), and we intend to add support for multiple environments (dev/staging/prod) or regions within a single configuration repo. This does add some complexity on top of kolla-ansible, so there is a trade off here.
If we include it as a kolla deliverable - will it not have impact on it's current developers and cores? We already had a kolla-cli project, and when the creators left, nobody was there to pick it up...
I think the main impact on existing kolla developers will be increased noise, due to covering kayobe topics in meetings and IRC. I wouldn't expect kolla cores to start working on kayobe unless they wish to. We already have contributors with interest only in kolla or kolla-ansible.
I do understand your concern given the recent experience with kolla-cli. In that case the contributors left the community shortly after the project became official and we did not really integrate it well. It also did not see much adoption, for whatever reason. Of course I can't predict the future, but I would say that kayobe is quite different. It has been open source from the beginning, and now has a significant user base. The kayobe team isn't going anywhere. We hope that including the project as a kolla deliverable would allow it to continue to grow.
Thanks, Michal
czw., 20 cze 2019 o 15:51 Mark Goddard mark@stackhpc.com napisał(a):
Hi,
In the most recent kolla meeting [1] we discussed the possibility of kayobe becoming a deliverable of the kolla project. This follows on from discussion at the PTG and then on here [3].
The two options discussed are:
- become a deliverable of the Kolla project
- become an official top level OpenStack project
There has been some positive feedback about option 1 and no negative feedback that I am aware of. I would therefore like to ask the kolla community to vote on whether to include kayobe as a deliverable of the kolla project. The electorate is the kolla-core and kolla-ansible core teams, excluding me. The opinion of others in the community is also welcome.
If you have questions or feedback, please respond to this email.
Once you have made a decision, please respond with your answer to the following question:
"Should kayobe become a deliverable of the kolla project?" (yes/no)
Thanks, Mark
[1] http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2019/kolla.2019-06-19-15.00.lo... [2] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-train-ptg [3] http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-June/006901.html
-- Michał Nasiadka mnasiadka@gmail.com
Thanks for clarifications Mark
Let's try - +1 for including it as Kolla deliverable.
Michal
wt., 25 cze 2019 o 13:19 Mark Goddard mark@stackhpc.com napisał(a):
On Tue, 25 Jun 2019 at 10:09, Michał Nasiadka mnasiadka@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Mark,
Before I will vote - I would like to understand the future of Kayobe.
Is the plan for it to stay as it is currently (Kolla on Bifrost)? Or rather to evolve and fill the place of kolla-cli?
I think it has potential to fill a kolla-cli like role. There are deployments of kayobe that do not use the bare metal deployment features. In that case you can still use the host configuration features (networking, local storage, etc). There are also some configuration patterns encouraged by kayobe such as version controlled configuration (e.g. https://github.com/SKA-ScienceDataProcessor/alaska-kayobe-config), and we intend to add support for multiple environments (dev/staging/prod) or regions within a single configuration repo. This does add some complexity on top of kolla-ansible, so there is a trade off here.
If we include it as a kolla deliverable - will it not have impact on it's current developers and cores? We already had a kolla-cli project, and when the creators left, nobody was there to pick it up...
I think the main impact on existing kolla developers will be increased noise, due to covering kayobe topics in meetings and IRC. I wouldn't expect kolla cores to start working on kayobe unless they wish to. We already have contributors with interest only in kolla or kolla-ansible.
I do understand your concern given the recent experience with kolla-cli. In that case the contributors left the community shortly after the project became official and we did not really integrate it well. It also did not see much adoption, for whatever reason. Of course I can't predict the future, but I would say that kayobe is quite different. It has been open source from the beginning, and now has a significant user base. The kayobe team isn't going anywhere. We hope that including the project as a kolla deliverable would allow it to continue to grow.
Thanks, Michal
czw., 20 cze 2019 o 15:51 Mark Goddard mark@stackhpc.com napisał(a):
Hi,
In the most recent kolla meeting [1] we discussed the possibility of kayobe becoming a deliverable of the kolla project. This follows on from discussion at the PTG and then on here [3].
The two options discussed are:
- become a deliverable of the Kolla project
- become an official top level OpenStack project
There has been some positive feedback about option 1 and no negative feedback that I am aware of. I would therefore like to ask the kolla community to vote on whether to include kayobe as a deliverable of the kolla project. The electorate is the kolla-core and kolla-ansible core teams, excluding me. The opinion of others in the community is also welcome.
If you have questions or feedback, please respond to this email.
Once you have made a decision, please respond with your answer to the following question:
"Should kayobe become a deliverable of the kolla project?" (yes/no)
Thanks, Mark
[1] http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2019/kolla.2019-06-19-15.00.lo... [2] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-train-ptg [3] http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-June/006901.html
-- Michał Nasiadka mnasiadka@gmail.com
Hello Mark.
On 20. Jun 2019, at 15:40, Mark Goddard mark@stackhpc.com wrote:
Once you have made a decision, please respond with your answer to the following question:
"Should kayobe become a deliverable of the kolla project?" (yes/no)
That would be a step in the right direction. For that. Yes.
Christian.
On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 at 14:40, Mark Goddard mark@stackhpc.com wrote:
Hi,
In the most recent kolla meeting [1] we discussed the possibility of kayobe becoming a deliverable of the kolla project. This follows on from discussion at the PTG and then on here [3].
The two options discussed are:
- become a deliverable of the Kolla project
- become an official top level OpenStack project
There has been some positive feedback about option 1 and no negative feedback that I am aware of. I would therefore like to ask the kolla community to vote on whether to include kayobe as a deliverable of the kolla project. The electorate is the kolla-core and kolla-ansible core teams, excluding me. The opinion of others in the community is also welcome.
If you have questions or feedback, please respond to this email.
Once you have made a decision, please respond with your answer to the following question:
"Should kayobe become a deliverable of the kolla project?" (yes/no)
This vote has been open for over two weeks, and has had a number of positive responses and no negative responses. I will therefore make the necessary changes to add kayobe as a deliverable of the kolla project. Thank you for your consideration.
Thanks,
Mark
[1] http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2019/kolla.2019-06-19-15.00.lo... [2] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-train-ptg [3] http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-June/006901.html
participants (4)
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Christian Berendt
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Mark Goddard
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Michał Nasiadka
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Radosław Piliszek