[placement] [tc] PTL not going to summit?
I've decided [1] that I'm going to resist going to tech conferences and summits in particular by air travel, unless it becomes an existential issue. For a variety of reasons described in [1] and the two other posts it links to. I know for some people that this will present some concerns about my efficacy as PTL of placement, so I thought I better mention it sooner than later so we can make some decisions on how we want to proceed: * Should I take myself out of the running for U PTL? In which case we need to get a shadow warmed up. * If I'm not there, but still PTL, should we still hold the usual regularly placement things (project update and onboarding, PTG things)? In which case we need to prepare chairs/moderators for those sessions. Given my positions on the exclusive properties of conferences, I'd prefer that we turn update and onboarding activities into asynchronous, document-oriented affairs that anyone can utilize at any time, not just those wanting and able to go to summit. Similarly, given how useful the placement pre-PTG was for Train, the very small amount of time spent discussing placement issues in person in Denver, and the team's strategy of focusing on a relatively small number of changes, I'm not certain we need "time" in Shanghai. We can spread that work out. Thoughts or questions from anyone? [1] https://anticdent.org/remote-maintainership.html -- Chris Dent ٩◔̯◔۶ https://anticdent.org/ freenode: cdent
On Thu, 4 Jul 2019 at 16:06, Chris Dent <cdent+os@anticdent.org> wrote:
I've decided [1] that I'm going to resist going to tech conferences and summits in particular by air travel, unless it becomes an existential issue. For a variety of reasons described in [1] and the two other posts it links to.
I know for some people that this will present some concerns about my efficacy as PTL of placement, so I thought I better mention it sooner than later so we can make some decisions on how we want to proceed:
* Should I take myself out of the running for U PTL? In which case we need to get a shadow warmed up.
* If I'm not there, but still PTL, should we still hold the usual regularly placement things (project update and onboarding, PTG things)? In which case we need to prepare chairs/moderators for those sessions.
Given my positions on the exclusive properties of conferences, I'd prefer that we turn update and onboarding activities into asynchronous, document-oriented affairs that anyone can utilize at any time, not just those wanting and able to go to summit.
Similarly, given how useful the placement pre-PTG was for Train, the very small amount of time spent discussing placement issues in person in Denver, and the team's strategy of focusing on a relatively small number of changes, I'm not certain we need "time" in Shanghai. We can spread that work out.
Thoughts or questions from anyone?
Thanks for speaking up about your feelings on this. I'm not going so far as to say I won't fly to conferences, but one intercontinental flight in a year for conferences seems like more than enough to me. I won't be attending the Shanghai summit, and environmental factors play a role in this decision (as will an imminent newborn), so I'll watch how this plays out with interest. Mark
[1] https://anticdent.org/remote-maintainership.html
-- Chris Dent ٩◔̯◔۶ https://anticdent.org/ freenode: cdent
On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 11:19 AM Chris Dent <cdent+os@anticdent.org> wrote:
I've decided [1] that I'm going to resist going to tech conferences and summits in particular by air travel, unless it becomes an existential issue. For a variety of reasons described in [1] and the two other posts it links to.
I know for some people that this will present some concerns about my efficacy as PTL of placement, so I thought I better mention it sooner than later so we can make some decisions on how we want to proceed:
* Should I take myself out of the running for U PTL? In which case we need to get a shadow warmed up.
* If I'm not there, but still PTL, should we still hold the usual regularly placement things (project update and onboarding, PTG things)? In which case we need to prepare chairs/moderators for those sessions.
Given my positions on the exclusive properties of conferences, I'd prefer that we turn update and onboarding activities into asynchronous, document-oriented affairs that anyone can utilize at any time, not just those wanting and able to go to summit.
Similarly, given how useful the placement pre-PTG was for Train, the very small amount of time spent discussing placement issues in person in Denver, and the team's strategy of focusing on a relatively small number of changes, I'm not certain we need "time" in Shanghai. We can spread that work out.
Thoughts or questions from anyone?
Thanks a ton Chris for speaking up on that topic. I also share your opinions in this blog. I've talked with a few TripleO contributors and a bunch of us won't go to China either (for different reasons). Instead, I think we'll try to make progress in our asynchronous collaboration and eventually organize a virtual meetup if needed. Also, in my humble opinion you shouldn't step out of PTL role just because you won't go to the next conference. I think it's part of the PTL role to find out how to make the collaboration happen without barriers, no matter where you are in the world. Thanks for all your hard work on Placement and I hope you'll make the right decision for you and the project. -- Emilien Macchi
On Thu, 2019-07-04 at 11:45 -0400, Emilien Macchi wrote:
On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 11:19 AM Chris Dent <cdent+os@anticdent.org> wrote:
I've decided [1] that I'm going to resist going to tech conferences and summits in particular by air travel, unless it becomes an existential issue. For a variety of reasons described in [1] and the two other posts it links to.
I know for some people that this will present some concerns about my efficacy as PTL of placement, so I thought I better mention it sooner than later so we can make some decisions on how we want to proceed:
* Should I take myself out of the running for U PTL? In which case we need to get a shadow warmed up.
* If I'm not there, but still PTL, should we still hold the usual regularly placement things (project update and onboarding, PTG things)? In which case we need to prepare chairs/moderators for those sessions.
Given my positions on the exclusive properties of conferences, I'd prefer that we turn update and onboarding activities into asynchronous, document-oriented affairs that anyone can utilize at any time, not just those wanting and able to go to summit.
Similarly, given how useful the placement pre-PTG was for Train, the very small amount of time spent discussing placement issues in person in Denver, and the team's strategy of focusing on a relatively small number of changes, I'm not certain we need "time" in Shanghai. We can spread that work out.
Thoughts or questions from anyone?
Thanks a ton Chris for speaking up on that topic. I also share your opinions in this blog. I've talked with a few TripleO contributors and a bunch of us won't go to China either (for different reasons).
Instead, I think we'll try to make progress in our asynchronous collaboration and eventually organize a virtual meetup if needed. Also, in my humble opinion you shouldn't step out of PTL role just because you won't go to the next conference. I think it's part of the PTL role to find out how to make the collaboration happen without barriers, no matter where you are in the world. Thanks for all your hard work on Placement and I hope you'll make the right decision for you and the project.
on this point i also dont think you would be the firsts ptl to not by able to attend ptg in person. i rememebr one of the past cyborge PTLs was not able to attend in person i belive in the first denver ptg and instead joined over voice chat to listen and replied mainly over etherpad to the discussion. i have remote attened 2 kolla midcycle in the past too were similarly by have a listen only audio stream and replying on etherpad as things were bing disucssed i was able to follow then conversation so i personally would not see an issue with a PTL delegating project updates or onbodaing to a core memeber that is present or chossing to hold a virtual ptg meetup. i belive there is still value in having in face discussion but including remotees in those discussion is something that i think we should try for too. so i dont think it should be a requriement to be in person the be ptl once your poject can effectivly discuss and organise your work within itself and with other projects.
On 2019-07-04 16:04:46 +0100 (+0100), Chris Dent wrote:
I've decided [1] that I'm going to resist going to tech conferences and summits in particular by air travel, unless it becomes an existential issue. For a variety of reasons described in [1] and the two other posts it links to.
I know for some people that this will present some concerns about my efficacy as PTL of placement [...]
As Sean notes in his reply, you'd be far from the first PTL (or TC member or other community leader for that matter) to not attend a summit/forum/PTG. I've never heard anyone suggest this was a hard requirement for OpenStack contributors, whether or not they're hold leadership roles. There are plenty of good reasons not to attend, up to and including simply not wanting to be there. I see no problem with that whatsoever.
Given my positions on the exclusive properties of conferences, I'd prefer that we turn update and onboarding activities into asynchronous, document-oriented affairs that anyone can utilize at any time, not just those wanting and able to go to summit. [...]
The project updates have served as an opportunity to get video content about projects distributed, since these are typically recorded and post-processed by professional videographers. There have been suggestions of doing the same for onboarding sessions, but this has not happened in the past due to the additional cost required. Producing your own recordings seems like a viable alternative to me, and has also been suggested by a number of folks in the past. -- Jeremy Stanley
participants (5)
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Chris Dent
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Emilien Macchi
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Jeremy Stanley
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Mark Goddard
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Sean Mooney