[telemetry][ptl][volunteer][tc] Telemetry PTL for Train
Hi all, Because no one want to nominate for the PTL in Train [1], Telemetry has been marked as a leaderless project and may be removed of OpenStack. We and some companies are still using Ceilometer, AODH (parts of Telemetry) so we don't want that happen. Lingxian Kong (Trove and Qinling PTL), I (cc Julien Danjou, the current PTL of Telemetry) had a conversation about this and agree to work together to maintain the Telemetry projects. So I'm writing this email stating that I would like to volunteer to be the PTL for Telemetry in Train. Though I haven't been directly involved in the development of Telemetry ever, my experience as Searchlight PTL and core in Fenix and Freezer give me some technical understanding of Telemetry as well as OpenStack development procedure. You're in the good hands. Thanks, [1] https://governance.openstack.org/election/ -- *Trinh Nguyen* *www.edlab.xyz <https://www.edlab.xyz>*
+1 Thanks for the help! Cheers, Lingxian Kong On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 3:03 PM Trinh Nguyen <dangtrinhnt@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,
Because no one want to nominate for the PTL in Train [1], Telemetry has been marked as a leaderless project and may be removed of OpenStack. We and some companies are still using Ceilometer, AODH (parts of Telemetry) so we don't want that happen.
Lingxian Kong (Trove and Qinling PTL), I (cc Julien Danjou, the current PTL of Telemetry) had a conversation about this and agree to work together to maintain the Telemetry projects. So I'm writing this email stating that I would like to volunteer to be the PTL for Telemetry in Train.
Though I haven't been directly involved in the development of Telemetry ever, my experience as Searchlight PTL and core in Fenix and Freezer give me some technical understanding of Telemetry as well as OpenStack development procedure. You're in the good hands.
Thanks,
[1] https://governance.openstack.org/election/
-- *Trinh Nguyen* *www.edlab.xyz <https://www.edlab.xyz>*
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On Mar 17, 2019, at 12:36 PM, Lingxian Kong <anlin.kong@gmail.com> wrote:
+1
Thanks for the help!
Cheers, Lingxian Kong
On Sun, Mar 17, 2019 at 3:03 PM Trinh Nguyen <dangtrinhnt@gmail.com> wrote: Hi all,
Because no one want to nominate for the PTL in Train [1], Telemetry has been marked as a leaderless project and may be removed of OpenStack. We and some companies are still using Ceilometer, AODH (parts of Telemetry) so we don't want that happen.
Lingxian Kong (Trove and Qinling PTL), I (cc Julien Danjou, the current PTL of Telemetry) had a conversation about this and agree to work together to maintain the Telemetry projects. So I'm writing this email stating that I would like to volunteer to be the PTL for Telemetry in Train.
Though I haven't been directly involved in the development of Telemetry ever, my experience as Searchlight PTL and core in Fenix and Freezer give me some technical understanding of Telemetry as well as OpenStack development procedure. You're in the good hands.
Thanks,
[1] https://governance.openstack.org/election/
-- Trinh Nguyen www.edlab.xyz
On Sun, Mar 17 2019, Trinh Nguyen wrote: Hi Trinh,
Because no one want to nominate for the PTL in Train [1], Telemetry has been marked as a leaderless project and may be removed of OpenStack. We and some companies are still using Ceilometer, AODH (parts of Telemetry) so we don't want that happen.
Lingxian Kong (Trove and Qinling PTL), I (cc Julien Danjou, the current PTL of Telemetry) had a conversation about this and agree to work together to maintain the Telemetry projects. So I'm writing this email stating that I would like to volunteer to be the PTL for Telemetry in Train.
Though I haven't been directly involved in the development of Telemetry ever, my experience as Searchlight PTL and core in Fenix and Freezer give me some technical understanding of Telemetry as well as OpenStack development procedure. You're in the good hands.
I'm glad reading that people are still interested in Telemetry! How do you envision leading a project you never contributed to? I'm wondering how someone can do that in practice. Or do you see that just role being a straw-man job to avoid the project for being tagged as abandoned? Cheers, -- Julien Danjou // Free Software hacker // https://julien.danjou.info
Julien Danjou <julien@danjou.info> writes:
On Sun, Mar 17 2019, Trinh Nguyen wrote:
Hi Trinh,
Because no one want to nominate for the PTL in Train [1], Telemetry has been marked as a leaderless project and may be removed of OpenStack. We and some companies are still using Ceilometer, AODH (parts of Telemetry) so we don't want that happen.
Lingxian Kong (Trove and Qinling PTL), I (cc Julien Danjou, the current PTL of Telemetry) had a conversation about this and agree to work together to maintain the Telemetry projects. So I'm writing this email stating that I would like to volunteer to be the PTL for Telemetry in Train.
Though I haven't been directly involved in the development of Telemetry ever, my experience as Searchlight PTL and core in Fenix and Freezer give me some technical understanding of Telemetry as well as OpenStack development procedure. You're in the good hands.
I'm glad reading that people are still interested in Telemetry!
How do you envision leading a project you never contributed to? I'm wondering how someone can do that in practice. Or do you see that just role being a straw-man job to avoid the project for being tagged as abandoned?
Cheers, -- Julien Danjou // Free Software hacker // https://julien.danjou.info
Without another volunteer, I'm not sure I see an alternative between shutting the project down and letting someone who has not contributed try to take it over. Do you have something else to propose? -- Doug
FWIW: Trinh has done an excellent job with Searchlight, so I think the project would be in great hands. Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 18, 2019, at 12:13 PM, Doug Hellmann <doug@doughellmann.com> wrote:
Julien Danjou <julien@danjou.info> writes:
On Sun, Mar 17 2019, Trinh Nguyen wrote:
Hi Trinh,
Because no one want to nominate for the PTL in Train [1], Telemetry has been marked as a leaderless project and may be removed of OpenStack. We and some companies are still using Ceilometer, AODH (parts of Telemetry) so we don't want that happen.
Lingxian Kong (Trove and Qinling PTL), I (cc Julien Danjou, the current PTL of Telemetry) had a conversation about this and agree to work together to maintain the Telemetry projects. So I'm writing this email stating that I would like to volunteer to be the PTL for Telemetry in Train.
Though I haven't been directly involved in the development of Telemetry ever, my experience as Searchlight PTL and core in Fenix and Freezer give me some technical understanding of Telemetry as well as OpenStack development procedure. You're in the good hands.
I'm glad reading that people are still interested in Telemetry!
How do you envision leading a project you never contributed to? I'm wondering how someone can do that in practice. Or do you see that just role being a straw-man job to avoid the project for being tagged as abandoned?
Cheers, -- Julien Danjou // Free Software hacker // https://julien.danjou.info
Without another volunteer, I'm not sure I see an alternative between shutting the project down and letting someone who has not contributed try to take it over. Do you have something else to propose?
-- Doug
I was supposed to volunteer myself being Ceilometer PTL because we have also deployed Ceilometer in production. I haven't contributed Ceilometer for several dev cycles but I'm familiar with Ceilometer code (and Aodh as well), and I am an active contributor for OpenStack for 6 years. Trinh chatted with me in IRC for the same interest in Ceilometer as they are also using Ceilometer and Aodh in production. I'm very happy he could help because maybe I'll be too busy with maintaining two other projects. I (and other developers in our company) can definitely help if needed. Personally, I think being a PTL not only means the one who has contributed a lot, but also means the one who is willing to help the project developers and users, and doing the common tasks in order to coordinate with the whole community, most importantly, the one who is the real user of a project. Cheers, Lingxian Kong On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 5:31 AM Mohammed Naser <mnaser@vexxhost.com> wrote:
FWIW: Trinh has done an excellent job with Searchlight, so I think the project would be in great hands.
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 18, 2019, at 12:13 PM, Doug Hellmann <doug@doughellmann.com> wrote:
Julien Danjou <julien@danjou.info> writes:
On Sun, Mar 17 2019, Trinh Nguyen wrote:
Hi Trinh,
Because no one want to nominate for the PTL in Train [1], Telemetry has been marked as a leaderless project and may be removed of OpenStack. We and some companies are still using Ceilometer, AODH (parts of Telemetry) so we don't want that happen.
Lingxian Kong (Trove and Qinling PTL), I (cc Julien Danjou, the current PTL of Telemetry) had a conversation about this and agree to work together to maintain the Telemetry projects. So I'm writing this email stating that I would like to volunteer to be the PTL for Telemetry in Train.
Though I haven't been directly involved in the development of Telemetry ever, my experience as Searchlight PTL and core in Fenix and Freezer give me some technical understanding of Telemetry as well as OpenStack development procedure. You're in the good hands.
I'm glad reading that people are still interested in Telemetry!
How do you envision leading a project you never contributed to? I'm wondering how someone can do that in practice. Or do you see that just role being a straw-man job to avoid the project for being tagged as abandoned?
Cheers, -- Julien Danjou // Free Software hacker // https://julien.danjou.info
Without another volunteer, I'm not sure I see an alternative between shutting the project down and letting someone who has not contributed try to take it over. Do you have something else to propose?
-- Doug
Lingxian Kong <anlin.kong@gmail.com> writes:
I was supposed to volunteer myself being Ceilometer PTL because we have also deployed Ceilometer in production. I haven't contributed Ceilometer for several dev cycles but I'm familiar with Ceilometer code (and Aodh as well), and I am an active contributor for OpenStack for 6 years.
Trinh chatted with me in IRC for the same interest in Ceilometer as they are also using Ceilometer and Aodh in production. I'm very happy he could help because maybe I'll be too busy with maintaining two other projects. I (and other developers in our company) can definitely help if needed.
Personally, I think being a PTL not only means the one who has contributed a lot, but also means the one who is willing to help the project developers and users, and doing the common tasks in order to coordinate with the whole community, most importantly, the one who is the real user of a project.
I agree, although it is a little concerning that the contributor base for the project is so small. I am excited to have new contributors pick the project up, so thank you for volunteering! Doug
Cheers, Lingxian Kong
On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 5:31 AM Mohammed Naser <mnaser@vexxhost.com> wrote:
FWIW: Trinh has done an excellent job with Searchlight, so I think the project would be in great hands.
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 18, 2019, at 12:13 PM, Doug Hellmann <doug@doughellmann.com> wrote:
Julien Danjou <julien@danjou.info> writes:
On Sun, Mar 17 2019, Trinh Nguyen wrote:
Hi Trinh,
Because no one want to nominate for the PTL in Train [1], Telemetry has been marked as a leaderless project and may be removed of OpenStack. We and some companies are still using Ceilometer, AODH (parts of Telemetry) so we don't want that happen.
Lingxian Kong (Trove and Qinling PTL), I (cc Julien Danjou, the current PTL of Telemetry) had a conversation about this and agree to work together to maintain the Telemetry projects. So I'm writing this email stating that I would like to volunteer to be the PTL for Telemetry in Train.
Though I haven't been directly involved in the development of Telemetry ever, my experience as Searchlight PTL and core in Fenix and Freezer give me some technical understanding of Telemetry as well as OpenStack development procedure. You're in the good hands.
I'm glad reading that people are still interested in Telemetry!
How do you envision leading a project you never contributed to? I'm wondering how someone can do that in practice. Or do you see that just role being a straw-man job to avoid the project for being tagged as abandoned?
Cheers, -- Julien Danjou // Free Software hacker // https://julien.danjou.info
Without another volunteer, I'm not sure I see an alternative between shutting the project down and letting someone who has not contributed try to take it over. Do you have something else to propose?
-- Doug
-- Doug
It would be an interesting forum topic for the upcoming Denver summit to understand where we are with Telemetry and potential approaches for the future (Is the Telemetry project the way forward? Is Monasca an potential replacement? Are there alternative approaches which the community should be considering?, ...) It's not clear to me what we should be recommending for a new cloud deployment as regards this functional area. Tim -----Original Message----- From: Doug Hellmann <doug@doughellmann.com> Date: Monday, 18 March 2019 at 17:06 To: Lingxian Kong <anlin.kong@gmail.com>, Mohammed Naser <mnaser@vexxhost.com> Cc: Julien Danjou <julien@danjou.info>, Trinh Nguyen <dangtrinhnt@gmail.com>, "openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org" <openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org> Subject: Re: [telemetry][ptl][volunteer][tc] Telemetry PTL for Train Lingxian Kong <anlin.kong@gmail.com> writes: > I was supposed to volunteer myself being Ceilometer PTL because we have > also deployed Ceilometer in production. I haven't contributed Ceilometer > for several dev cycles but I'm familiar with Ceilometer code (and Aodh as > well), and I am an active contributor for OpenStack for 6 years. > > Trinh chatted with me in IRC for the same interest in Ceilometer as they > are also using Ceilometer and Aodh in production. I'm very happy he could > help because maybe I'll be too busy with maintaining two other projects. I > (and other developers in our company) can definitely help if needed. > > Personally, I think being a PTL not only means the one who has contributed > a lot, but also means the one who is willing to help the project developers > and users, and doing the common tasks in order to coordinate with the whole > community, most importantly, the one who is the real user of a > project. I agree, although it is a little concerning that the contributor base for the project is so small. I am excited to have new contributors pick the project up, so thank you for volunteering! Doug > > > Cheers, > Lingxian Kong > > > On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 5:31 AM Mohammed Naser <mnaser@vexxhost.com> wrote: > >> FWIW: Trinh has done an excellent job with Searchlight, so I think the >> project would be in great hands. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Mar 18, 2019, at 12:13 PM, Doug Hellmann <doug@doughellmann.com> >> wrote: >> > >> > Julien Danjou <julien@danjou.info> writes: >> > >> >> On Sun, Mar 17 2019, Trinh Nguyen wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi Trinh, >> >> >> >>> Because no one want to nominate for the PTL in Train [1], Telemetry has >> >>> been marked as a leaderless project and may be removed of OpenStack. >> We and >> >>> some companies are still using Ceilometer, AODH (parts of Telemetry) >> so we >> >>> don't want that happen. >> >>> >> >>> Lingxian Kong (Trove and Qinling PTL), I (cc Julien Danjou, the >> current PTL >> >>> of Telemetry) had a conversation about this and agree to work together >> to >> >>> maintain the Telemetry projects. So I'm writing this email stating >> that I >> >>> would like to volunteer to be the PTL for Telemetry in Train. >> >>> >> >>> Though I haven't been directly involved in the development of Telemetry >> >>> ever, my experience as Searchlight PTL and core in Fenix and Freezer >> give >> >>> me some technical understanding of Telemetry as well as OpenStack >> >>> development procedure. You're in the good hands. >> >> >> >> I'm glad reading that people are still interested in Telemetry! >> >> >> >> How do you envision leading a project you never contributed to? I'm >> >> wondering how someone can do that in practice. >> >> Or do you see that just role being a straw-man job to avoid the project >> >> for being tagged as abandoned? >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> -- >> >> Julien Danjou >> >> // Free Software hacker >> >> // https://julien.danjou.info >> > >> > Without another volunteer, I'm not sure I see an alternative between >> > shutting the project down and letting someone who has not contributed >> > try to take it over. Do you have something else to propose? >> > >> > -- >> > Doug >> > >> -- Doug
Good suggestion, Tim. IMO, Ceilometer/Aodh are still very important services in OpenStack world and it's not very good to see no active contributor on such projects. On 19/03/19 12:52 PM, Tim Bell wrote:
It would be an interesting forum topic for the upcoming Denver summit to understand where we are with Telemetry and potential approaches for the future (Is the Telemetry project the way forward? Is Monasca an potential replacement? Are there alternative approaches which the community should be considering?, ...)
It's not clear to me what we should be recommending for a new cloud deployment as regards this functional area.
Tim
-----Original Message----- From: Doug Hellmann <doug@doughellmann.com> Date: Monday, 18 March 2019 at 17:06 To: Lingxian Kong <anlin.kong@gmail.com>, Mohammed Naser <mnaser@vexxhost.com> Cc: Julien Danjou <julien@danjou.info>, Trinh Nguyen <dangtrinhnt@gmail.com>, "openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org" <openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org> Subject: Re: [telemetry][ptl][volunteer][tc] Telemetry PTL for Train
Lingxian Kong <anlin.kong@gmail.com> writes:
> I was supposed to volunteer myself being Ceilometer PTL because we have > also deployed Ceilometer in production. I haven't contributed Ceilometer > for several dev cycles but I'm familiar with Ceilometer code (and Aodh as > well), and I am an active contributor for OpenStack for 6 years. > > Trinh chatted with me in IRC for the same interest in Ceilometer as they > are also using Ceilometer and Aodh in production. I'm very happy he could > help because maybe I'll be too busy with maintaining two other projects. I > (and other developers in our company) can definitely help if needed. > > Personally, I think being a PTL not only means the one who has contributed > a lot, but also means the one who is willing to help the project developers > and users, and doing the common tasks in order to coordinate with the whole > community, most importantly, the one who is the real user of a > project.
I agree, although it is a little concerning that the contributor base for the project is so small.
I am excited to have new contributors pick the project up, so thank you for volunteering!
Doug
> > > Cheers, > Lingxian Kong > > > On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 5:31 AM Mohammed Naser <mnaser@vexxhost.com> wrote: > >> FWIW: Trinh has done an excellent job with Searchlight, so I think the >> project would be in great hands. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Mar 18, 2019, at 12:13 PM, Doug Hellmann <doug@doughellmann.com> >> wrote: >> > >> > Julien Danjou <julien@danjou.info> writes: >> > >> >> On Sun, Mar 17 2019, Trinh Nguyen wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi Trinh, >> >> >> >>> Because no one want to nominate for the PTL in Train [1], Telemetry has >> >>> been marked as a leaderless project and may be removed of OpenStack. >> We and >> >>> some companies are still using Ceilometer, AODH (parts of Telemetry) >> so we >> >>> don't want that happen. >> >>> >> >>> Lingxian Kong (Trove and Qinling PTL), I (cc Julien Danjou, the >> current PTL >> >>> of Telemetry) had a conversation about this and agree to work together >> to >> >>> maintain the Telemetry projects. So I'm writing this email stating >> that I >> >>> would like to volunteer to be the PTL for Telemetry in Train. >> >>> >> >>> Though I haven't been directly involved in the development of Telemetry >> >>> ever, my experience as Searchlight PTL and core in Fenix and Freezer >> give >> >>> me some technical understanding of Telemetry as well as OpenStack >> >>> development procedure. You're in the good hands. >> >> >> >> I'm glad reading that people are still interested in Telemetry! >> >> >> >> How do you envision leading a project you never contributed to? I'm >> >> wondering how someone can do that in practice. >> >> Or do you see that just role being a straw-man job to avoid the project >> >> for being tagged as abandoned? >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> -- >> >> Julien Danjou >> >> // Free Software hacker >> >> // https://julien.danjou.info >> > >> > Without another volunteer, I'm not sure I see an alternative between >> > shutting the project down and letting someone who has not contributed >> > try to take it over. Do you have something else to propose? >> > >> > -- >> > Doug >> > >>
-- Doug
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On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 12:52 PM Tim Bell <Tim.Bell@cern.ch> wrote:
It would be an interesting forum topic for the upcoming Denver summit to understand where we are with Telemetry and potential approaches for the future (Is the Telemetry project the way forward? Is Monasca an potential replacement? Are there alternative approaches which the community should be considering?, ...)
It's not clear to me what we should be recommending for a new cloud deployment as regards this functional area.
I'd recommend no matter what PTL or developers say, listen to the real users/deployers/ops who have already deployed such services in the production. Knowing what their requirements are(one solution can't fit all, right?), the benefits they got, pitfalls they met, you will have an answer. My $0.02 --- Cheers, Lingxian Kong
Hi Julien, Doug, and others, Thanks for your comments. Your concerns make a lot of sense. I just have a couple of thoughts on this. For envisioning Telemetry future, I do need help from existing contributors and users. The reasons for me to volunteer are I believe Ceilometer/Aodh is still critical for OpenStack and they're embedded in many of other projects that I'm working on (Fenix, Tacker, etc.). Also, I wouldn't do this without Lingxian and his team expertise. Lingxian could be the great PTL but he's too busy with the other two projects (Qinling and Trove) so I want to give him a hand. I can see my role as the PTL (just like Searchlight which I never touch before becoming its PTL) is a contact point and a coordinator that help to push Telemetry toward common goals that the team agreed. Moreover, I do believe in PTL's main job is helping and encouraging potential contributors. So my main goal for Telemetry in Train is to sustain the project with a strong base of contributors and a healthy community until I can find a replacement. Bests, On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 8:52 AM Tim Bell <Tim.Bell@cern.ch> wrote:
It would be an interesting forum topic for the upcoming Denver summit to understand where we are with Telemetry and potential approaches for the future (Is the Telemetry project the way forward? Is Monasca an potential replacement? Are there alternative approaches which the community should be considering?, ...)
It's not clear to me what we should be recommending for a new cloud deployment as regards this functional area.
Tim
-----Original Message----- From: Doug Hellmann <doug@doughellmann.com> Date: Monday, 18 March 2019 at 17:06 To: Lingxian Kong <anlin.kong@gmail.com>, Mohammed Naser < mnaser@vexxhost.com> Cc: Julien Danjou <julien@danjou.info>, Trinh Nguyen < dangtrinhnt@gmail.com>, "openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org" < openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org> Subject: Re: [telemetry][ptl][volunteer][tc] Telemetry PTL for Train
Lingxian Kong <anlin.kong@gmail.com> writes:
> I was supposed to volunteer myself being Ceilometer PTL because we have > also deployed Ceilometer in production. I haven't contributed Ceilometer > for several dev cycles but I'm familiar with Ceilometer code (and Aodh as > well), and I am an active contributor for OpenStack for 6 years. > > Trinh chatted with me in IRC for the same interest in Ceilometer as they > are also using Ceilometer and Aodh in production. I'm very happy he could > help because maybe I'll be too busy with maintaining two other projects. I > (and other developers in our company) can definitely help if needed. > > Personally, I think being a PTL not only means the one who has contributed > a lot, but also means the one who is willing to help the project developers > and users, and doing the common tasks in order to coordinate with the whole > community, most importantly, the one who is the real user of a > project.
I agree, although it is a little concerning that the contributor base for the project is so small.
I am excited to have new contributors pick the project up, so thank you for volunteering!
Doug
> > > Cheers, > Lingxian Kong > > > On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 5:31 AM Mohammed Naser <mnaser@vexxhost.com> wrote: > >> FWIW: Trinh has done an excellent job with Searchlight, so I think the >> project would be in great hands. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Mar 18, 2019, at 12:13 PM, Doug Hellmann < doug@doughellmann.com> >> wrote: >> > >> > Julien Danjou <julien@danjou.info> writes: >> > >> >> On Sun, Mar 17 2019, Trinh Nguyen wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi Trinh, >> >> >> >>> Because no one want to nominate for the PTL in Train [1], Telemetry has >> >>> been marked as a leaderless project and may be removed of OpenStack. >> We and >> >>> some companies are still using Ceilometer, AODH (parts of Telemetry) >> so we >> >>> don't want that happen. >> >>> >> >>> Lingxian Kong (Trove and Qinling PTL), I (cc Julien Danjou, the >> current PTL >> >>> of Telemetry) had a conversation about this and agree to work together >> to >> >>> maintain the Telemetry projects. So I'm writing this email stating >> that I >> >>> would like to volunteer to be the PTL for Telemetry in Train. >> >>> >> >>> Though I haven't been directly involved in the development of Telemetry >> >>> ever, my experience as Searchlight PTL and core in Fenix and Freezer >> give >> >>> me some technical understanding of Telemetry as well as OpenStack >> >>> development procedure. You're in the good hands. >> >> >> >> I'm glad reading that people are still interested in Telemetry! >> >> >> >> How do you envision leading a project you never contributed to? I'm >> >> wondering how someone can do that in practice. >> >> Or do you see that just role being a straw-man job to avoid the project >> >> for being tagged as abandoned? >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> -- >> >> Julien Danjou >> >> // Free Software hacker >> >> // https://julien.danjou.info >> > >> > Without another volunteer, I'm not sure I see an alternative between >> > shutting the project down and letting someone who has not contributed >> > try to take it over. Do you have something else to propose? >> > >> > -- >> > Doug >> > >>
-- Doug
-- *Trinh Nguyen* *www.edlab.xyz <https://www.edlab.xyz>*
On Tue, Mar 19 2019, Trinh Nguyen wrote: Thanks Trinh for your response. This sounds like a great opportunity to bring new blood to the Telemetry project.
Hi Julien, Doug, and others,
Thanks for your comments. Your concerns make a lot of sense. I just have a couple of thoughts on this.
For envisioning Telemetry future, I do need help from existing contributors and users. The reasons for me to volunteer are I believe Ceilometer/Aodh is still critical for OpenStack and they're embedded in many of other projects that I'm working on (Fenix, Tacker, etc.). Also, I wouldn't do this without Lingxian and his team expertise. Lingxian could be the great PTL but he's too busy with the other two projects (Qinling and Trove) so I want to give him a hand.
I can see my role as the PTL (just like Searchlight which I never touch before becoming its PTL) is a contact point and a coordinator that help to push Telemetry toward common goals that the team agreed. Moreover, I do believe in PTL's main job is helping and encouraging potential contributors. So my main goal for Telemetry in Train is to sustain the project with a strong base of contributors and a healthy community until I can find a replacement.
Bests,
On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 8:52 AM Tim Bell <Tim.Bell@cern.ch> wrote:
It would be an interesting forum topic for the upcoming Denver summit to understand where we are with Telemetry and potential approaches for the future (Is the Telemetry project the way forward? Is Monasca an potential replacement? Are there alternative approaches which the community should be considering?, ...)
It's not clear to me what we should be recommending for a new cloud deployment as regards this functional area.
Tim
-----Original Message----- From: Doug Hellmann <doug@doughellmann.com> Date: Monday, 18 March 2019 at 17:06 To: Lingxian Kong <anlin.kong@gmail.com>, Mohammed Naser < mnaser@vexxhost.com> Cc: Julien Danjou <julien@danjou.info>, Trinh Nguyen < dangtrinhnt@gmail.com>, "openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org" < openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org> Subject: Re: [telemetry][ptl][volunteer][tc] Telemetry PTL for Train
Lingxian Kong <anlin.kong@gmail.com> writes:
> I was supposed to volunteer myself being Ceilometer PTL because we have > also deployed Ceilometer in production. I haven't contributed Ceilometer > for several dev cycles but I'm familiar with Ceilometer code (and Aodh as > well), and I am an active contributor for OpenStack for 6 years. > > Trinh chatted with me in IRC for the same interest in Ceilometer as they > are also using Ceilometer and Aodh in production. I'm very happy he could > help because maybe I'll be too busy with maintaining two other projects. I > (and other developers in our company) can definitely help if needed. > > Personally, I think being a PTL not only means the one who has contributed > a lot, but also means the one who is willing to help the project developers > and users, and doing the common tasks in order to coordinate with the whole > community, most importantly, the one who is the real user of a > project.
I agree, although it is a little concerning that the contributor base for the project is so small.
I am excited to have new contributors pick the project up, so thank you for volunteering!
Doug
> > > Cheers, > Lingxian Kong > > > On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 5:31 AM Mohammed Naser <mnaser@vexxhost.com> wrote: > >> FWIW: Trinh has done an excellent job with Searchlight, so I think the >> project would be in great hands. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Mar 18, 2019, at 12:13 PM, Doug Hellmann < doug@doughellmann.com> >> wrote: >> > >> > Julien Danjou <julien@danjou.info> writes: >> > >> >> On Sun, Mar 17 2019, Trinh Nguyen wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi Trinh, >> >> >> >>> Because no one want to nominate for the PTL in Train [1], Telemetry has >> >>> been marked as a leaderless project and may be removed of OpenStack. >> We and >> >>> some companies are still using Ceilometer, AODH (parts of Telemetry) >> so we >> >>> don't want that happen. >> >>> >> >>> Lingxian Kong (Trove and Qinling PTL), I (cc Julien Danjou, the >> current PTL >> >>> of Telemetry) had a conversation about this and agree to work together >> to >> >>> maintain the Telemetry projects. So I'm writing this email stating >> that I >> >>> would like to volunteer to be the PTL for Telemetry in Train. >> >>> >> >>> Though I haven't been directly involved in the development of Telemetry >> >>> ever, my experience as Searchlight PTL and core in Fenix and Freezer >> give >> >>> me some technical understanding of Telemetry as well as OpenStack >> >>> development procedure. You're in the good hands. >> >> >> >> I'm glad reading that people are still interested in Telemetry! >> >> >> >> How do you envision leading a project you never contributed to? I'm >> >> wondering how someone can do that in practice. >> >> Or do you see that just role being a straw-man job to avoid the project >> >> for being tagged as abandoned? >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> -- >> >> Julien Danjou >> >> // Free Software hacker >> >> // https://julien.danjou.info >> > >> > Without another volunteer, I'm not sure I see an alternative between >> > shutting the project down and letting someone who has not contributed >> > try to take it over. Do you have something else to propose? >> > >> > -- >> > Doug >> > >>
-- Doug
-- Julien Danjou /* Free Software hacker https://julien.danjou.info */
Hi all, We (from ZTE) also have a 5 people team to develop with Ceilometer/Aodh in our cloud production. We are also happen to support telemetry community when it needs help. On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 6:22 PM Julien Danjou <julien@danjou.info> wrote:
On Tue, Mar 19 2019, Trinh Nguyen wrote:
Thanks Trinh for your response. This sounds like a great opportunity to bring new blood to the Telemetry project.
Hi Julien, Doug, and others,
Thanks for your comments. Your concerns make a lot of sense. I just have a couple of thoughts on this.
For envisioning Telemetry future, I do need help from existing contributors and users. The reasons for me to volunteer are I believe Ceilometer/Aodh is still critical for OpenStack and they're embedded in many of other projects that I'm working on (Fenix, Tacker, etc.). Also, I wouldn't do this without Lingxian and his team expertise. Lingxian could be the great PTL but he's too busy with the other two projects (Qinling and Trove) so I want to give him a hand.
I can see my role as the PTL (just like Searchlight which I never touch before becoming its PTL) is a contact point and a coordinator that help to push Telemetry toward common goals that the team agreed. Moreover, I do believe in PTL's main job is helping and encouraging potential contributors. So my main goal for Telemetry in Train is to sustain the project with a strong base of contributors and a healthy community until I can find a replacement.
Bests,
On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 8:52 AM Tim Bell <Tim.Bell@cern.ch> wrote:
It would be an interesting forum topic for the upcoming Denver summit to understand where we are with Telemetry and potential approaches for the future (Is the Telemetry project the way forward? Is Monasca an potential replacement? Are there alternative approaches which the community should be considering?, ...)
It's not clear to me what we should be recommending for a new cloud deployment as regards this functional area.
Tim
-----Original Message----- From: Doug Hellmann <doug@doughellmann.com> Date: Monday, 18 March 2019 at 17:06 To: Lingxian Kong <anlin.kong@gmail.com>, Mohammed Naser < mnaser@vexxhost.com> Cc: Julien Danjou <julien@danjou.info>, Trinh Nguyen < dangtrinhnt@gmail.com>, "openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org" < openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org> Subject: Re: [telemetry][ptl][volunteer][tc] Telemetry PTL for Train
Lingxian Kong <anlin.kong@gmail.com> writes:
> I was supposed to volunteer myself being Ceilometer PTL because we have > also deployed Ceilometer in production. I haven't contributed Ceilometer > for several dev cycles but I'm familiar with Ceilometer code (and Aodh as > well), and I am an active contributor for OpenStack for 6 years. > > Trinh chatted with me in IRC for the same interest in Ceilometer as they > are also using Ceilometer and Aodh in production. I'm very happy he could > help because maybe I'll be too busy with maintaining two other projects. I > (and other developers in our company) can definitely help if needed. > > Personally, I think being a PTL not only means the one who has contributed > a lot, but also means the one who is willing to help the project developers > and users, and doing the common tasks in order to coordinate with the whole > community, most importantly, the one who is the real user of a > project.
I agree, although it is a little concerning that the contributor base for the project is so small.
I am excited to have new contributors pick the project up, so thank you for volunteering!
Doug
> > > Cheers, > Lingxian Kong > > > On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 5:31 AM Mohammed Naser < mnaser@vexxhost.com> wrote: > >> FWIW: Trinh has done an excellent job with Searchlight, so I think the >> project would be in great hands. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Mar 18, 2019, at 12:13 PM, Doug Hellmann < doug@doughellmann.com> >> wrote: >> > >> > Julien Danjou <julien@danjou.info> writes: >> > >> >> On Sun, Mar 17 2019, Trinh Nguyen wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi Trinh, >> >> >> >>> Because no one want to nominate for the PTL in Train [1], Telemetry has >> >>> been marked as a leaderless project and may be removed of OpenStack. >> We and >> >>> some companies are still using Ceilometer, AODH (parts of Telemetry) >> so we >> >>> don't want that happen. >> >>> >> >>> Lingxian Kong (Trove and Qinling PTL), I (cc Julien Danjou, the >> current PTL >> >>> of Telemetry) had a conversation about this and agree to work together >> to >> >>> maintain the Telemetry projects. So I'm writing this email stating >> that I >> >>> would like to volunteer to be the PTL for Telemetry in Train. >> >>> >> >>> Though I haven't been directly involved in the development of Telemetry >> >>> ever, my experience as Searchlight PTL and core in Fenix and Freezer >> give >> >>> me some technical understanding of Telemetry as well as OpenStack >> >>> development procedure. You're in the good hands. >> >> >> >> I'm glad reading that people are still interested in Telemetry! >> >> >> >> How do you envision leading a project you never contributed to? I'm >> >> wondering how someone can do that in practice. >> >> Or do you see that just role being a straw-man job to avoid the project >> >> for being tagged as abandoned? >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> -- >> >> Julien Danjou >> >> // Free Software hacker >> >> // https://julien.danjou.info >> > >> > Without another volunteer, I'm not sure I see an alternative between >> > shutting the project down and letting someone who has not contributed >> > try to take it over. Do you have something else to propose? >> > >> > -- >> > Doug >> > >>
-- Doug
-- Julien Danjou /* Free Software hacker https://julien.danjou.info */
-- Thanks, Rong Zhu
Hi JD and Doug, I can see your point but at this point, we do need a volunteer who are willing to put his effort in to roll the ball. As Lingxian mentioned, Catalyst Cloud is using Ceilometer in production and we have 3 developers with Ceilometer/Aodh experience, we're happy to support when the community needs a hand. Cheers. On 19/03/19 5:13 AM, Doug Hellmann wrote:
Julien Danjou <julien@danjou.info> writes:
On Sun, Mar 17 2019, Trinh Nguyen wrote:
Hi Trinh,
Because no one want to nominate for the PTL in Train [1], Telemetry has been marked as a leaderless project and may be removed of OpenStack. We and some companies are still using Ceilometer, AODH (parts of Telemetry) so we don't want that happen.
Lingxian Kong (Trove and Qinling PTL), I (cc Julien Danjou, the current PTL of Telemetry) had a conversation about this and agree to work together to maintain the Telemetry projects. So I'm writing this email stating that I would like to volunteer to be the PTL for Telemetry in Train.
Though I haven't been directly involved in the development of Telemetry ever, my experience as Searchlight PTL and core in Fenix and Freezer give me some technical understanding of Telemetry as well as OpenStack development procedure. You're in the good hands. I'm glad reading that people are still interested in Telemetry!
How do you envision leading a project you never contributed to? I'm wondering how someone can do that in practice. Or do you see that just role being a straw-man job to avoid the project for being tagged as abandoned?
Cheers, -- Julien Danjou // Free Software hacker // https://julien.danjou.info Without another volunteer, I'm not sure I see an alternative between shutting the project down and letting someone who has not contributed try to take it over. Do you have something else to propose?
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participants (9)
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Doug Hellmann
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Feilong Wang
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Julien Danjou
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Lingxian Kong
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Mohammed Naser
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Rong Zhu
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Sa Pham
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Tim Bell
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Trinh Nguyen