Hello TC (and other interested parties),
This is a reminder that we have this week set aside for the 'W' release naming for any necessary discussion, campaigning, or other activities before the official polling starts.
https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/release-naming.html#polls
We have a set of names collected from the community. There may be some trademark concerns, but I think we can leave that for the Foundation review after the election polling completes unless anyone has a strong reason to exclude any now. If so, please state so here before I create the poll for next week.
https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Release_Naming/W_Proposals
As a reminder for everyone, this naming poll is the first that follows our new process of having the electorate being members of the Technical Committee. More details can be found in the governance documentation for release naming:
https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/release-naming.html#release-na...
I will prepare the poll to send out next Monday. Since we have a limited electorate this time, if we collect all votes ahead of the published deadline I will check in with the TC if there is any need to wait, and if not close the poll early and get the results ready to publish. We can then move ahead with the legal review that is required before we can officially declare a winner.
Thanks!
Sean
Sean McGinnis wrote:
[...] We have a set of names collected from the community. There may be some trademark concerns, but I think we can leave that for the Foundation review after the election polling completes unless anyone has a strong reason to exclude any now. If so, please state so here before I create the poll for next week.
https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Release_Naming/W_Proposals [...]
That's a lot of good names, and before voting I'd like to get wide feedback from the community... So if there is any name you strongly like or dislike, please follow up here !
The TC is also supposed to discuss potential cultural sensibility and try to avoid those names, so if you see anything that could be considered culturally offensive for some human groups, let me know or reply on this thread.
Personally I could see how 'Wodewick' could be perceived as a joke on speech-impaired people, and 'Whiskey'/'Whisky' could be seen as promoting the alcohol-drinking culture in open source events. Also 'Wuhan' is likely to not be neutral -- either seen as a positive supportive move for our friends in China struggling with the virus, or as a bit of a weird choice, but I'm not sure which.
In summary: please voice concerns and preferences here, before the vote starts!
I agree with your opinion on those 3 names, Thierry. All other are fine.
-yoctozepto
wt., 11 lut 2020 o 17:50 Thierry Carrez thierry@openstack.org napisał(a):
Personally I could see how 'Wodewick' could be perceived as a joke on speech-impaired people, and 'Whiskey'/'Whisky' could be seen as promoting the alcohol-drinking culture in open source events. Also 'Wuhan' is likely to not be neutral -- either seen as a positive supportive move for our friends in China struggling with the virus, or as a bit of a weird choice, but I'm not sure which.
In summary: please voice concerns and preferences here, before the vote starts!
-- Thierry Carrez (ttx)
On Tue, 2020-02-11 at 17:39 +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote:
Personally I could see how 'Wodewick' could be perceived as a joke on speech-impaired people
I agree that at first sight this looks very bad. Which should be taken into consideration. However, an extra fact/trivia for Wodewick (for those who didn't know, like I was, as it's not mentioned on the wiki): Terry Jones (director of the movie) had himself rhotacism.
So IMO, the presence of the (bad?) joke in the movie itself is a proof of Jones' openness.
Regards, Jean-Philippe Evrard (evrardjp)
On 12/02/20 6:57 am, Jean-Philippe Evrard wrote:
On Tue, 2020-02-11 at 17:39 +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote:
Personally I could see how 'Wodewick' could be perceived as a joke on speech-impaired people
I agree that at first sight this looks very bad. Which should be taken into consideration. However, an extra fact/trivia for Wodewick (for those who didn't know, like I was, as it's not mentioned on the wiki): Terry Jones (director of the movie) had himself rhotacism.
Also another fun fact: if you're explaining, you're losing ;)
So IMO, the presence of the (bad?) joke in the movie itself is a proof of Jones' openness.
TIL, thanks! Another reason to love the movie, while also not choosing this as the release name.
A few years ago I would have thought that this was nonsense. I still do, but nonsense is the order of the day. We have to be careful to not give the professionally offended an opportunity.
-----Original Message----- From: Zane Bitter zbitter@redhat.com Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2020 9:07 AM To: openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [TC] W release naming
On 12/02/20 6:57 am, Jean-Philippe Evrard wrote:
On Tue, 2020-02-11 at 17:39 +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote:
Personally I could see how 'Wodewick' could be perceived as a joke on speech-impaired people
I agree that at first sight this looks very bad. Which should be taken into consideration. However, an extra fact/trivia for Wodewick (for those who didn't know, like I was, as it's not mentioned on the wiki): Terry Jones (director of the movie) had himself rhotacism.
Also another fun fact: if you're explaining, you're losing ;)
So IMO, the presence of the (bad?) joke in the movie itself is a proof of Jones' openness.
TIL, thanks! Another reason to love the movie, while also not choosing this as the release name.
On Wed, 2020-02-12 at 17:52 +0000, Albert Braden wrote:
A few years ago I would have thought that this was nonsense. I still do, but nonsense is the order of the day. We have to be careful to not give the professionally offended an opportunity.
Agreed.
-----Original Message----- From: Zane Bitter zbitter@redhat.com Also another fun fact: if you're explaining, you're losing ;)
Correct. I love the recursivity of this conversation.
TIL, thanks! Another reason to love the movie, while also not choosing this as the release name.
Agreed.
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 12:57:41PM +0100, Jean-Philippe Evrard wrote:
On Tue, 2020-02-11 at 17:39 +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote:
Personally I could see how 'Wodewick' could be perceived as a joke on speech-impaired people
I agree that at first sight this looks very bad. Which should be taken into consideration. However, an extra fact/trivia for Wodewick (for those who didn't know, like I was, as it's not mentioned on the wiki): Terry Jones (director of the movie) had himself rhotacism.
So IMO, the presence of the (bad?) joke in the movie itself is a proof of Jones' openness.
One thing that the Internet - social media particularly but not exclusively - does exceptionally well is to present ideas, concepts, or occurrences with all of the surrounding context stripped away. I think that the only way to be successful is to select names that stand solid without any context and judged from multiple cultural perspectives.
I personally object to Wuhan for this reason. Even if we were to say that we choose the name to honor the victims of this tragedy, that context would be stripped away in the transmission and there would be plenty of people who would come to the conclusion that we were making light of what is happening, or worse that companies that build products based on OpenStack would be making profits from that name. These are terrible thoughts, for sure, but regrettably we have to look at how people could percieve it, not how we mean it to be.
Nate
On 2/12/2020 11:56 AM, Nate Johnston wrote:
On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 12:57:41PM +0100, Jean-Philippe Evrard wrote:
On Tue, 2020-02-11 at 17:39 +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote:
Personally I could see how 'Wodewick' could be perceived as a joke on speech-impaired people
I agree that at first sight this looks very bad. Which should be taken into consideration. However, an extra fact/trivia for Wodewick (for those who didn't know, like I was, as it's not mentioned on the wiki): Terry Jones (director of the movie) had himself rhotacism.
So IMO, the presence of the (bad?) joke in the movie itself is a proof of Jones' openness.
One thing that the Internet - social media particularly but not exclusively - does exceptionally well is to present ideas, concepts, or occurrences with all of the surrounding context stripped away. I think that the only way to be successful is to select names that stand solid without any context and judged from multiple cultural perspectives.
I personally object to Wuhan for this reason. Even if we were to say that we choose the name to honor the victims of this tragedy, that context would be stripped away in the transmission and there would be plenty of people who would come to the conclusion that we were making light of what is happening, or worse that companies that build products based on OpenStack would be making profits from that name. These are terrible thoughts, for sure, but regrettably we have to look at how people could percieve it, not how we mean it to be.
Nate
Nate,
I am in agreement that the name needs to hold up without context and under scrutiny from multiple perspectives. So, Wuhan is not a good choice. It also is dangerous to use a name associated with a still evolving situation.
All,
I think we need to choose a name that doesn't require explanation. I think that Wodewick fails that test.
Jay
As a reminder for everyone, this naming poll is the first that follows our new process of having the electorate being members of the Technical Committee. More details can be found in the governance documentation for release naming:
https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/release-naming.html#release-na...
Looks like we are still short of everyone from the TC voting. This is last call for any TC members that have not cast a vote for the W release name to get those votes in before we wrap up the polling period and pass along the top name(s) to the Foundation for legal vetting.
participants (8)
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Albert Braden
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Jay Bryant
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Jean-Philippe Evrard
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Nate Johnston
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Radosław Piliszek
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Sean McGinnis
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Thierry Carrez
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Zane Bitter