Thank you very much,

I know it's EOL but the exam still uses it... Maybe I'll try a more traditional approach with Ansible or Puppet

Regards

Francesco Di Nucci

On 17/06/24 19:56, Jay Faulkner wrote:

Ussuri is no longer maintained. I'm afraid it's going to be extremely difficult-to-impossible to get a working install of it at this point without a lot of. operational work

I'd suggest getting one based on stable/2024.1 and using it as a base -- if needed you can manipulate headers/CLI commands to request versions of the API that would reflect ussuri-era APIs.

Thanks, Jay Faulkner

On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 2:27 AM Francesco Di Nucci francesco.dinucci@na.infn.it wrote:

Hi,

I was planning on taking the COA exam, and as it's still tested on
the
Ussuri release I wanted to create a local install to get used to the
differences with current releases.

I have tried with PackStack but there seem to be some never fixed bug
with Galera setup, and with PackStack I wasn't able to make it
work on
any "supported" OS
[bionic|stretch|jessie|f30|f31|opensuse-15.2|opensuse-tumbleweed|rhel8]

(either the Python version is too old, or packages install is not
supported on EL8, or repositories have been taken down etc etc...)

Are there any pre-configured VMs that can be used for training? Or
does
anyone know on which OS (outside of the ones before) could a Ussuri
setup with Devstack run?

Thank you in advance

Francesco Di Nucci

Thank you,

I know it's EOL but when asked the training support stated that they do not have a concrete upgrade timeline yet

Maybe I'll try with Tumbleweed, as EL8 is the only other supported OS but Ussuri Devstack has incomplete support for it

I tried the VM, but the 2019 one is unavailable and the 2020 one does not start with LDDM failure.

Out of curiosity, why does upstream training not happen anymore?

Best regards

Francesco Di Nucci

On 17/06/24 20:36, Ghanshyam Mann wrote:

---- On Mon, 17 Jun 2024 02:22:29 -0700 Francesco Di Nucci wrote ---

...

Hi,

I was planning on taking the COA exam, and as it's still tested on the Ussuri release I wanted to create a local install to get used to the differences with current releases.

I have tried with PackStack but there seem to be some never fixed bug with Galera setup, and with PackStack I wasn't able to make it work on any "supported" OS [bionic|stretch|jessie|f30|f31|opensuse-15.2|opensuse-tumbleweed|rhel8] (either the Python version is too old, or packages install is not supported on EL8, or repositories have been taken down etc etc...)

Are there any pre-configured VMs that can be used for training? Or does anyone know on which OS (outside of the ones before) could a Ussuri setup with Devstack run?

Ussuri is EOL and the COA exam should be moved to the recent supported releases. Anyway if it is on Ussuri then below is the information on DevStack for your local practice.

DevStack Ussuri supports the below OS versions. The upstream CI has stopped testing it ~6 months before but you can give it a try.

"bionic|stretch|jessie|f30|f31|opensuse-15.2|opensuse-tumbleweed|rhel8)"

• https://github.com/openstack/devstack/blob/ussuri-eol/stack.sh#L224

For pre-configured VM for training, we used to maintain it when there were upstream training was happening. Below is the location we used to have a working pre-configured VM image but this is really out of date and not sure if it will work or not

• https://github.com/openstack/upstream-institute-virtual-environment

Maybe you can try to check if this training page can be helpful for your exam preparation:

• https://docs.openstack.org/upstream-training/

-gmann

...

Thank you in advance

Francesco Di Nucci

Thank you,

tbh I'd thought about taking the COA exam as I'm already working with OpenStack daily, I hope the command line does not differ a lot

I agree that it should use a more recent version, but when checking https://www.openstack.org/coa/ it still reports Ussuri as " OpenStack release being tested" (and this was confirmed by support)

Best regards

Francesco Di Nucci

On 18/06/24 14:04, smooney@redhat.com wrote:

On Tue, 2024-06-18 at 09:14 +0200, Francesco Di Nucci wrote:

...

Thank you,

I know it's EOL but when asked the training support stated that they do not have a concrete upgrade timeline yet

Maybe I'll try with Tumbleweed, as EL8 is the only other supported OS but Ussuri Devstack has incomplete support for it

the COA exam shoudl not care about how the openstack cloud is installed or really about the version. i have not taken it but my understading is that its not inteded to be disto specific and fouces on the core element that are common to all clouds/installer not the specific fo devstack vs packstack ectra.

so you should be able to use a master cloud ideally 2024.1 the current stable skip level upgrade release with any installer to prepare a cloud to use for the exam.

i woudl also argue that any COA exam that is using an unsupported release shoudl not be able to provide accreditation anymore.

while the core concepts have not change the landscape and feature set of openstack has evoleved alot.

concepts like "Skip level upgrade Releases" and "Secure and consitent RBAC" are just two of the evolutions that have happend since then. that is ignoring the features actully added in the relevneet project and the evolution of technolgies liek the deprecation (and removal?) of policy.json in favor of policy.yaml for configuring custom policy

the COA exam obviouly needs a semi stable base but realisticlly fi its not usign one fo the slurp releases at this point its not testing if the testee actully understand how to adminsiter a cloud that is reasonable to run in production today.

...

I tried the VM, but the 2019 one is unavailable and the 2020 one does not start with LDDM failure.

Out of curiosity, why does upstream training not happen anymore?

Best regards

Francesco Di Nucci

On 17/06/24 20:36, Ghanshyam Mann wrote:

...

---- On Mon, 17 Jun 2024 02:22:29 -0700  Francesco Di Nucci  wrote ---   > Hi,   >   > I was planning on taking the COA exam, and as it's still tested on the   > Ussuri release I wanted to create a local install to get used to the   > differences with current releases.   >   > I have tried with PackStack but there seem to be some never fixed bug   > with Galera setup, and with PackStack I wasn't able to make it work on   > any "supported" OS   > [bionic|stretch|jessie|f30|f31|opensuse-15.2|opensuse-tumbleweed|rhel8]   > (either the Python version is too old, or packages install is not   > supported on EL8, or repositories have been taken down etc etc...)   >   > Are there any pre-configured VMs that can be used for training? Or does   > anyone know on which OS (outside of the ones before) could a Ussuri   > setup with Devstack run?

Ussuri is EOL and the COA exam should be moved to the recent supported releases. Anyway if it is on Ussuri then below is the information on DevStack for your local practice.

DevStack Ussuri supports the below OS versions. The upstream CI has stopped testing it ~6 months before but you can give it a try.

"bionic|stretch|jessie|f30|f31|opensuse-15.2|opensuse-tumbleweed|rhel8)"

• https://github.com/openstack/devstack/blob/ussuri-eol/stack.sh#L224

For pre-configured VM for training, we used to maintain it when there were upstream training was happening. Below is the location we used to have a working pre-configured VM image but this is really out of date and not sure if it will work or not

• https://github.com/openstack/upstream-institute-virtual-environment

Maybe you can try to check if this training page can be helpful for your exam preparation:

• https://docs.openstack.org/upstream-training/

-gmann

>   > Thank you in advance   >   > Francesco Di Nucci   >   >   >

Thank you,

maybe I'll try with a slightly newer version - do you have any other tips regarding the exam?

Cheers

Francesco

On 6/18/24 14:59, Michael Knox wrote:

some of my staff recently took and passed the COA, we have Zed in our lab, they didn't have any issues. Obviously there are some CLI commands that have changed etc, but these were obvious and not a problem in their studies.

It's a good exam, good luck with it.

Cheers Michael

On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 8:25 AM Francesco Di Nucci francesco.dinucci@na.infn.it wrote:

Thank you,

tbh I'd thought about taking the COA exam as I'm already working with
OpenStack daily, I hope the command line does not differ a lot

I agree that it should use a more recent version, but when checking
https://www.openstack.org/coa/ it still reports Ussuri as " OpenStack
release being tested" (and this was confirmed by support)

Best regards

Francesco Di Nucci

On 18/06/24 14:04, smooney@redhat.com wrote:
> On Tue, 2024-06-18 at 09:14 +0200, Francesco Di Nucci wrote:
>> Thank you,
>>
>> I know it's EOL but when asked the training support stated that
they do
>> not have a concrete upgrade timeline yet
>>
>> Maybe I'll try with Tumbleweed, as EL8 is the only other
supported OS
>> but Ussuri Devstack has incomplete support for it
> the COA exam shoudl not care about how the openstack cloud is
installed
> or really about the version. i have not taken it but my
understading is that
> its not inteded to be disto specific and fouces on the core
element that
> are common to all clouds/installer not the specific fo devstack
vs packstack ectra.
>
> so you should be able to use a master cloud ideally 2024.1 the
current stable
> skip level upgrade release with any installer to prepare a cloud
to use for the exam.
>
> i woudl also argue that any COA exam that is using an
unsupported release shoudl not
> be able to provide accreditation anymore.
>
> while the core concepts have not change the landscape and
feature set of openstack
> has evoleved alot.
>
> concepts like "Skip level upgrade Releases" and "Secure and
consitent RBAC"
> are just two of the evolutions that have happend since then.
> that is ignoring the features actully added in the relevneet
project and
> the evolution of technolgies liek the deprecation (and removal?)
of policy.json in favor
> of policy.yaml for configuring custom policy
>
> the COA exam obviouly needs a semi stable base but realisticlly
fi its
> not usign one fo the slurp releases at this point its not testing
> if the testee actully understand how to adminsiter a cloud that
is reasonable
> to run in production today.
>
>> I tried the VM, but the 2019 one is unavailable and the 2020
one does
>> not start with LDDM failure.
>>
>> Out of curiosity, why does upstream training not happen anymore?
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Francesco Di Nucci
>>
>> On 17/06/24 20:36, Ghanshyam Mann wrote:
>>>    ---- On Mon, 17 Jun 2024 02:22:29 -0700 Francesco Di Nucci 
wrote ---
>>>    > Hi,
>>>    >
>>>    > I was planning on taking the COA exam, and as it's still
tested on the
>>>    > Ussuri release I wanted to create a local install to get
used to the
>>>    > differences with current releases.
>>>    >
>>>    > I have tried with PackStack but there seem to be some
never fixed bug
>>>    > with Galera setup, and with PackStack I wasn't able to
make it work on
>>>    > any "supported" OS
>>>    >
[bionic|stretch|jessie|f30|f31|opensuse-15.2|opensuse-tumbleweed|rhel8]
>>>    > (either the Python version is too old, or packages
install is not
>>>    > supported on EL8, or repositories have been taken down
etc etc...)
>>>    >
>>>    > Are there any pre-configured VMs that can be used for
training? Or does
>>>    > anyone know on which OS (outside of the ones before)
could a Ussuri
>>>    > setup with Devstack run?
>>>
>>> Ussuri is EOL and the COA exam should be moved to the recent
supported
>>> releases. Anyway if it is on Ussuri then below is the
information on DevStack
>>> for your local practice.
>>>
>>> DevStack Ussuri supports the below OS versions. The upstream
CI has stopped
>>> testing it ~6 months before but you can give it a try.
>>>
>>>
"bionic|stretch|jessie|f30|f31|opensuse-15.2|opensuse-tumbleweed|rhel8)"
>>>
>>> -
https://github.com/openstack/devstack/blob/ussuri-eol/stack.sh#L224
>>>
>>> For pre-configured VM for training, we used to maintain it
when there were
>>> upstream training was happening. Below is the location we used
to have a
>>> working pre-configured VM image but this is really out of date
and not
>>> sure if it will work or not
>>>
>>> -
https://github.com/openstack/upstream-institute-virtual-environment
>>>
>>> Maybe you can try to check if this training page can be
helpful for your
>>> exam preparation:
>>>
>>> - https://docs.openstack.org/upstream-training/
>>>
>>> -gmann
>>>
>>>    >
>>>    > Thank you in advance
>>>    >
>>>    > Francesco Di Nucci
>>>    >
>>>    >
>>>    >
>>>
>
>

Thank you very much

Cheers

Francesco

On 6/19/24 05:22, Ghanshyam Mann wrote:

---- On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 00:14:59 -0700 Francesco Di Nucci wrote ---

...

Thank you,

I know it's EOL but when asked the training support stated that they do not have a concrete upgrade timeline yet

Maybe I'll try with Tumbleweed, as EL8 is the only other supported OS but Ussuri Devstack has incomplete support for it

I tried the VM, but the 2019 one is unavailable and the 2020 one does not start with LDDM failure.

Out of curiosity, why does upstream training not happen anymore?

Training was conducted by the Foundation staff at every summit but after events were held virtually, it did not happen. Also, there was the idea of making training online but not much progress.

Anyways, we have improved the training content/Contributor Guide a lot and those are more close to self-learning training.

• https://docs.openstack.org/upstream-training/upstream-training-content.html
• https://docs.openstack.org/contributors/

-gmann

...

Best regards

Francesco Di Nucci

On 17/06/24 20:36, Ghanshyam Mann wrote:

...

---- On Mon, 17 Jun 2024 02:22:29 -0700 Francesco Di Nucci wrote ---

...

Hi,

I was planning on taking the COA exam, and as it's still tested on the Ussuri release I wanted to create a local install to get used to the differences with current releases.

I have tried with PackStack but there seem to be some never fixed bug with Galera setup, and with PackStack I wasn't able to make it work on any "supported" OS [bionic|stretch|jessie|f30|f31|opensuse-15.2|opensuse-tumbleweed|rhel8] (either the Python version is too old, or packages install is not supported on EL8, or repositories have been taken down etc etc...)

Are there any pre-configured VMs that can be used for training? Or does anyone know on which OS (outside of the ones before) could a Ussuri setup with Devstack run?

Ussuri is EOL and the COA exam should be moved to the recent supported releases. Anyway if it is on Ussuri then below is the information on DevStack for your local practice.

DevStack Ussuri supports the below OS versions. The upstream CI has stopped testing it ~6 months before but you can give it a try.

"bionic|stretch|jessie|f30|f31|opensuse-15.2|opensuse-tumbleweed|rhel8)"

• https://github.com/openstack/devstack/blob/ussuri-eol/stack.sh#L224

For pre-configured VM for training, we used to maintain it when there were upstream training was happening. Below is the location we used to have a working pre-configured VM image but this is really out of date and not sure if it will work or not

• https://github.com/openstack/upstream-institute-virtual-environment

Maybe you can try to check if this training page can be helpful for your exam preparation:

• https://docs.openstack.org/upstream-training/

-gmann

...

Thank you in advance

Francesco Di Nucci