[tc][murano] Status of the murano project
Hello,
As I brought in another thread about yaql library maintenance[1], It seems murano project is not active now, based on the following points.
* The changes merged during recent two years but all of these are gate fix
* Its CI is currently broken and no one is trying to fix it
* I tried reaching the current PTL by email or gerrit review but didn't get any feedback even after waiting for a few weeks
I'm wondering if murano project should be added to the inactive projects, or at least its project health and plan needs to be reviewed by TC, before we include this to Caracal deliverables. # Though it might be too later to drop the deliverables now
Thank you Takashi Kajinami irc: tkajinam
[1] https://lists.openstack.org/archives/list/openstack-discuss@lists.openstack....
---- On Sun, 21 Jan 2024 04:54:26 -0800 Takashi Kajinami wrote ---
Hello,
As I brought in another thread about yaql library maintenance[1], It seems murano project is not active now, based on the following points.
* The changes merged during recent two years but all of these are gate fix
* Its CI is currently broken and no one is trying to fix it
* I tried reaching the current PTL by email or gerrit review but didn't get any feedback even after waiting for a few weeks
I'm wondering if murano project should be added to the inactive projects, or at least its project health and plan needs to be reviewed by TC, before we include this to Caracal deliverables. # Though it might be too later to drop the deliverables now
Yes, it is too late to drop the deliverables but any project can be move to Inactive state in any phase of cycle.
I am trying to fix their gate (py3.11 job) and there are a few other changes also fixes gate (I need to squash all fixes so that it pass the job)
- https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/murano/+/904673
But again, as you mentioned we need their core/PTL to merge those. Let me make job green in my fix and see when it will be merged and based on that we can take next step.
-gmann
Thank you Takashi Kajinami irc: tkajinam
[1] https://lists.openstack.org/archives/list/openstack-discuss@lists.openstack....
On 1/22/24 08:22, Ghanshyam Mann wrote:
---- On Sun, 21 Jan 2024 04:54:26 -0800 Takashi Kajinami wrote ---
Hello,
As I brought in another thread about yaql library maintenance[1], It seems murano project is not active now, based on the following points.
* The changes merged during recent two years but all of these are gate fix
* Its CI is currently broken and no one is trying to fix it
* I tried reaching the current PTL by email or gerrit review but didn't get any feedback even after waiting for a few weeks
I'm wondering if murano project should be added to the inactive projects, or at least its project health and plan needs to be reviewed by TC, before we include this to Caracal deliverables. # Though it might be too later to drop the deliverables now
Yes, it is too late to drop the deliverables but any project can be move to Inactive state in any phase of cycle.
I am trying to fix their gate (py3.11 job) and there are a few other changes also fixes gate (I need to squash all fixes so that it pass the job)
Thanks.
It seems we need a few more changes to fix the unit tests, and I noticed zigo already proposed a few patches. So I rebased these[1][2] on yours to get all these fixes in a single patch chain. However according to the CI result posted in [2], we still have to look into the failures in tempest tests
[1] https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/murano/+/867198 [2] https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/murano/+/867199
I'm not much familiar with Murano so have no clear idea about the remaining failures We may really need someone from the Murano project to investigate these.
But again, as you mentioned we need their core/PTL to merge those. Let me make job green in my fix and see when it will be merged and based on that we can take next step.
-gmann
Thank you Takashi Kajinami irc: tkajinam
[1] https://lists.openstack.org/archives/list/openstack-discuss@lists.openstack....
---- On Sun, 21 Jan 2024 21:02:12 -0800 Takashi Kajinami wrote ---
On 1/22/24 08:22, Ghanshyam Mann wrote:
---- On Sun, 21 Jan 2024 04:54:26 -0800 Takashi Kajinami wrote ---
Hello,
As I brought in another thread about yaql library maintenance[1], It seems murano project is not active now, based on the following points.
* The changes merged during recent two years but all of these are gate fix
* Its CI is currently broken and no one is trying to fix it
* I tried reaching the current PTL by email or gerrit review but didn't get any feedback even after waiting for a few weeks
I'm wondering if murano project should be added to the inactive projects, or at least its project health and plan needs to be reviewed by TC, before we include this to Caracal deliverables. # Though it might be too later to drop the deliverables now
Yes, it is too late to drop the deliverables but any project can be move to Inactive state in any phase of cycle.
I am trying to fix their gate (py3.11 job) and there are a few other changes also fixes gate (I need to squash all fixes so that it pass the job)
Thanks.
It seems we need a few more changes to fix the unit tests, and I noticed zigo already proposed a few patches. So I rebased these[1][2] on yours to get all these fixes in a single patch chain. However according to the CI result posted in [2], we still have to look into the failures in tempest tests
[1] https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/murano/+/867198 [2] https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/murano/+/867199
I'm not much familiar with Murano so have no clear idea about the remaining failures We may really need someone from the Murano project to investigate these.
But again, as you mentioned we need their core/PTL to merge those. Let me make job green in my fix and see when it will be merged and based on that we can take next step.
It seems no response on gate fixes or broken functional/tempest jobs.
Seeing no response from team, gate broken, I am agreeing with your initial proposal now and proposing it to mark as Inactive.
https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/908859
-gmann
-gmann
Thank you Takashi Kajinami irc: tkajinam
[1] https://lists.openstack.org/archives/list/openstack-discuss@lists.openstack....
But again, as you mentioned we need their core/PTL to merge those.
Let me
make job green in my fix and see when it will be merged and based on
that
we can take next step.
It seems no response on gate fixes or broken functional/tempest jobs.
Seeing no response from team, gate broken, I am agreeing with your initial proposal now and proposing it to mark as Inactive.
We still run Murano in production on the Nectar Research Cloud, and I would like to keep the project going, at least in the short term.
Rong Zhu (the current PTL) did make me a Core Reviewer some time ago, but I've got no experience with how the gate tests work.
I think Rong isn't using Murano in his company anymore, so I would be open to taking on the PTL role if needed and try to get the project back into an active state.
cheers, Andy
---- On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 15:42:54 -0800 Andy Botting wrote ---
> > But again, as you mentioned we need their core/PTL to merge those. Let me > > make job green in my fix and see when it will be merged and based on that > > we can take next step.
It seems no response on gate fixes or broken functional/tempest jobs.
Seeing no response from team, gate broken, I am agreeing with your initial proposal now and proposing it to mark as Inactive.
We still run Murano in production on the Nectar Research Cloud, and I would like to keep the project going, at least in the short term. Rong Zhu (the current PTL) did make me a Core Reviewer some time ago, but I've got no experience with how the gate tests work. I think Rong isn't using Murano in his company anymore, so I would be open to taking on the PTL role if needed and try to get the project back into an active state.
Thanks Andy for responde and volunteer for PTL. More than PTL position, it will be good to to make its gate green and also respond on the security issue. Maybe you should ask current PTL or any other current member of that group to add you in https://launchpad.net/~murano-drivers/+members
On gate failure, you can see the existing functional/tempest job failures in below change
- https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/murano/+/904673
For exmaple, if you click on the murano-tempest-api job it will tell what all test fail, similarly you can check other failure too:
- https://36948fb935722dd9ab7e-941b17a299be1c85b9ce2467ba19245c.ssl.cf5.rackcd...
- All log files for debugging can be found @ https://zuul.opendev.org/t/openstack/build/bc3604d7be834390becf928510348ff3/...
-gmann
cheers,Andy
On 2024-02-13 19:58:03 -0800 (-0800), Ghanshyam Mann wrote: [...]
Maybe you should ask current PTL or any other current member of that group to add you in https://launchpad.net/~murano-drivers/+members
[...]
The only user who can add anyone to that team is Serg Melikyan (~smelikyan), so someone will need to reach out to him. When doing so, please also ask him to switch the owner of that group to OpenStack Administrators (~openstack-admins). Failing that, we'll need to get the Launchpad service administrators to help.
Hi Jeremy,
Maybe you should ask current PTL or any other current member of
that group to add you in https://launchpad.net/~murano-drivers/+members
[...]
The only user who can add anyone to that team is Serg Melikyan (~smelikyan), so someone will need to reach out to him. When doing so, please also ask him to switch the owner of that group to OpenStack Administrators (~openstack-admins). Failing that, we'll need to get the Launchpad service administrators to help.
I managed to get in contact with Serg, and he's very helpfully added me as a member, and openstack-admins too.
He said he can't make the openstack-admins account an admin until the account has accepted the membership invite. Jeremy, can you confirm once that's done, and I'll ask Serg to finish it off.
Thanks!
On 2024-02-20 07:58:25 +1100 (+1100), Andy Botting wrote: [...]
I managed to get in contact with Serg, and he's very helpfully added me as a member, and openstack-admins too.
Great news, thanks for the update!
He said he can't make the openstack-admins account an admin until the account has accepted the membership invite. Jeremy, can you confirm once that's done, and I'll ask Serg to finish it off.
Already accepted when I woke up this morning and saw the automated notification.
On 2024-02-19 21:25:10 +0000 (+0000), Jeremy Stanley wrote:
On 2024-02-20 07:58:25 +1100 (+1100), Andy Botting wrote: [...]
I managed to get in contact with Serg, and he's very helpfully added me as a member, and openstack-admins too.
Great news, thanks for the update!
He said he can't make the openstack-admins account an admin until the account has accepted the membership invite. Jeremy, can you confirm once that's done, and I'll ask Serg to finish it off.
Already accepted when I woke up this morning and saw the automated notification.
Oh, also if Serg can go to https://launchpad.net/~murano-drivers/+edit and use the "Change owner" link at the bottom to switch it from his account to the OpenStack Administrators (~openstack-admins) team, that will allow us to then remove it as a member of murano-drivers so that openstack-admins members don't get notified about things like private bugs but will still be able to act as a fallback for non-graceful administrative transitions in the future.
Oh, also if Serg can go to https://launchpad.net/~murano-drivers/+edit and use the "Change owner" link at the bottom to switch it from his account to the OpenStack Administrators (~openstack-admins) team, that will allow us to then remove it as a member of murano-drivers so that openstack-admins members don't get notified about things like private bugs but will still be able to act as a fallback for non-graceful administrative transitions in the future.
Serg has confirmed this has now been done. Thanks Serg!
---- On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 12:58:25 -0800 Andy Botting wrote ---
Hi Jeremy,
Maybe you should ask current PTL or any other current member of that group to add you in https://launchpad.net/~murano-drivers/+members
[...]
The only user who can add anyone to that team is Serg Melikyan (~smelikyan), so someone will need to reach out to him. When doing so, please also ask him to switch the owner of that group to OpenStack Administrators (~openstack-admins). Failing that, we'll need to get the Launchpad service administrators to help.
I managed to get in contact with Serg, and he's very helpfully added me as a member, and openstack-admins too. He said he can't make the openstack-admins account an admin until the account has accepted the membership invite. Jeremy, can you confirm once that's done, and I'll ask Serg to finish it off.
Thanks Andy for reaching out to Serg and get it done. Now as openstack-admins is Administrator now, feel free to reachout to us if any more updates you need to do there to maintain the project.
-gmann
Thanks!
---- On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 15:42:54 -0800 Andy Botting wrote ---
> > But again, as you mentioned we need their core/PTL to merge those. Let me > > make job green in my fix and see when it will be merged and based on that > > we can take next step.
It seems no response on gate fixes or broken functional/tempest jobs.
Seeing no response from team, gate broken, I am agreeing with your initial proposal now and proposing it to mark as Inactive.
We still run Murano in production on the Nectar Research Cloud, and I would like to keep the project going, at least in the short term. Rong Zhu (the current PTL) did make me a Core Reviewer some time ago, but I've got no experience with how the gate tests work. I think Rong isn't using Murano in his company anymore, so I would be open to taking on the PTL role if needed and try to get the project back into an active state.
Hi Andy,
Looping back to your interest for PTL, the PTL election for next release cycle is started, please nominate yourself for it. Fo this cycle release, Murano gate still needs to be fixed.
- https://governance.openstack.org/election/
-gmann
cheers,Andy
On 2024-02-20 11:08:07 -0800 (-0800), Ghanshyam Mann wrote: [...]
Looping back to your interest for PTL, the PTL election for next release cycle is started, please nominate yourself for it. Fo this cycle release, Murano gate still needs to be fixed.
[...]
Also, please look at Murano's private security bugs on Launchpad, there's at least one which got reported to the VMT last month, and until now there were no active members of the murano-drivers team to investigate its potential impact. Thanks!
Hi Ghanshyam,
Looping back to your interest for PTL, the PTL election for next release
cycle is started, please nominate yourself for it. Fo this cycle release, Murano gate still needs to be fixed.
I'll nominate myself for this shortly. I'll also try and reach out to the previous PTL too and see where he's at.
I'm working my way through setting up DevStack to try and reproduce the gate issues locally.
Are there any particular resources that are useful here for getting a PTL up to speed without the traditional handover?
cheers, Andy
On 2024-02-21 10:00:20 +1100 (+1100), Andy Botting wrote: [...]
Are there any particular resources that are useful here for getting a PTL up to speed without the traditional handover?
https://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/ptl.html would be a good place to start. It's probably not comprehensive, but... patches welcome? ;)
Also, asking questions on openstack-discuss is a great option.
participants (4)
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Andy Botting
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Ghanshyam Mann
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Jeremy Stanley
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Takashi Kajinami