[all] [TC] [elections] Proposed Dates
Hello Everyone! So, basically if we follow the usual formulas for when to hold the TC and PTL elections, they overlap a bit but not nicely. You can see what the dates would be if we exactly followed the usual timeline in this etherpad[1]. The proposal from the election officials is that we move the PTL nominations 1 week early and that gives them 1-week idle time in which we *could* do campaigning for PTLs the same way we do campaigning for TC seats. We definitely don't have to do campaigning, it could just be a week of idle time while TC campaigning happens. Setting Combined Election Summit is at: 2019-11-04 Release is at: 2019-10-14 Latest possible completion is at: 2019-09-23 Moving back to Tuesday: 2019-09-17 TC Election from 2019-09-10T23:45 to 2019-09-17T23:45 PTL Election from 2019-09-10T23:45 to 2019-09-17T23:45 TC Campaigning from 2019-09-03T23:45 to 2019-09-10T23:45 TC Nominations from 2019-08-27T23:45 to 2019-09-03T23:45 PTL Nominations from 2019-08-27T23:45 to 2019-09-03T23:45 Set email_deadline to 2019-09-03T00:00 Setting TC timeframe end to email_deadline Beginning of Stein Cycle @ 2018-08-10 00:00:00+00:00 End of Train cycle @ 2019-09-03 00:00:00+00:00 Election timeframe: 389 days, 0:00:00s This format makes it easier for election officials since we would only need to generate the electorate once for both elections. We can create whatever polls we need to for PTL elections at the same time we make the TC election poll. All in all less confusing for the electorate as well (hopefully). Thanks! -Kendall Nelson (diablo_rojo) & the election officials [1] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/election-train-ptg
Kendall Nelson wrote:
[...] So, basically if we follow the usual formulas for when to hold the TC and PTL elections, they overlap a bit but not nicely. You can see what the dates would be if we exactly followed the usual timeline in this etherpad[1].
The proposal from the election officials is that we move the PTL nominations 1 week early and that gives them 1-week idle time in which we *could* do campaigning for PTLs the same way we do campaigning for TC seats. We definitely don't have to do campaigning, it could just be a week of idle time while TC campaigning happens.
Setting Combined Election Summit is at: 2019-11-04 Release is at: 2019-10-14 Latest possible completion is at: 2019-09-23 Moving back to Tuesday: 2019-09-17 TC Election from 2019-09-10T23:45 to 2019-09-17T23:45 PTL Election from 2019-09-10T23:45 to 2019-09-17T23:45 TC Campaigning from 2019-09-03T23:45 to 2019-09-10T23:45 TC Nominations from 2019-08-27T23:45 to 2019-09-03T23:45 PTL Nominations from 2019-08-27T23:45 to 2019-09-03T23:45 Set email_deadline to 2019-09-03T00:00 Setting TC timeframe end to email_deadline Beginning of Stein Cycle @ 2018-08-10 00:00:00+00:00 End of Train cycle @ 2019-09-03 00:00:00+00:00 Election timeframe: 389 days, 0:00:00s
This format makes it easier for election officials since we would only need to generate the electorate once for both elections. We can create whatever polls we need to for PTL elections at the same time we make the TC election poll. All in all less confusing for the electorate as well (hopefully).
We historically placed TC elections after PTL elections because some people found it useful to know if they were elected PTL before running (or not running) for a TC seat. Is that still a concern? If not, I think it's just easier to do both at the same time (nominations, campaigning, election). -- Thierry Carrez (ttx)
This format makes it easier for election officials since we would only need to generate the electorate once for both elections. We can create whatever polls we need to for PTL elections at the same time we make the TC election poll. All in all less confusing for the electorate as well (hopefully).
We historically placed TC elections after PTL elections because some people found it useful to know if they were elected PTL before running (or not running) for a TC seat.
Is that still a concern? If not, I think it's just easier to do both at the same time (nominations, campaigning, election).
-- Thierry Carrez (ttx)
I personally don't see this being an issue and think it could be beneficial from a community focus point of view. I wonder if that would cause some challenges for the election officials though. I would guess that the election tooling is currently only able to handle one type of election at a time. Sean
On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 06:35:53AM -0500, Sean McGinnis wrote:
I personally don't see this being an issue and think it could be beneficial from a community focus point of view. I wonder if that would cause some challenges for the election officials though. I would guess that the election tooling is currently only able to handle one type of election at a time.
Yes, currently we have a couple of places that "do the right thing" based on the election type. At this point we'd create a new type called combined (or similar) and basically have it to the aggregate of the 2 existing types. While I don't think the coding will be too hard but it does add a small amount of risk during the election itself. Yours Tony.
On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 11:38:42AM +0200, Thierry Carrez wrote:
We historically placed TC elections after PTL elections because some people found it useful to know if they were elected PTL before running (or not running) for a TC seat.
Is that still a concern? If not, I think it's just easier to do both at the same time (nominations, campaigning, election).
Personally I think it's less of an issue now that in the past. There are some good points to doing both elections at the same time. Given we've shifted event timing recently we're going to hit this more often going forward. However, if it is a concern how can we mitigate that? Moving the PTL elections forward to avoid the overlap makes them pretty early and extends the 'double PTL' time, moving the TC elections later reduces the time TC members have to make arrangements with employers to get approval to be in Shanghai. Yours Tony.
participants (4)
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Kendall Nelson
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Sean McGinnis
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Thierry Carrez
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Tony Breeds