Hi Erik,

We are able to extend the deadline to 11:59PM Pacific, March 10th. That should give the weekend to get any additional stragglers in and still allow the Forum Programming Committee enough time to manage the rest of the approval and publishing process in time for people's travel needs, etc...

For the Ops Meetup specifically, I'd suggest going a bit broader with the proposals and offering to fill in the blanks later. For example, if something comes up and everyone agrees it should go to the Forum, just submit before the end of the Ops session. Kendall or myself would be happy to help you add details a bit later in the process, should clarification be necessary. We typically have enough spots for the majority of proposed Forum sessions. That's not a guarantee, but food for thought.

Cheers, Jimmy

Erik McCormick mailto:emccormick@cirrusseven.com February 27, 2019 at 11:31 AM Would it be possible to push the deadline back a couple weeks? I expect there to be a few session proposals that will come out of the Ops Meetup which ends the day before the deadline. It would be helpful to have a little time to organize and submit things afterwards.

Thanks, Erik

Jimmy McArthur mailto:jimmy@openstack.org February 27, 2019 at 10:40 AM Hi Everyone -

A quick reminder that we are accepting Forum [1] submissions for the 2019 Open Infrastructure Summit in Denver [2]. Please submit your ideas through the Summit CFP tool [3] through March 8th. Don't forget to put your brainstorming etherpad up on the Denver Forum page [4].

This is not a classic conference track with speakers and presentations. OSF community members (participants in development teams, operators, working groups, SIGs, and other interested individuals) discuss the topics they want to cover and get alignment on and we welcome your participation. The Forum is your opportunity to help shape the development of future project releases. More information about the Forum [1].

If you have questions or concerns, please reach out to speakersupport@openstack.org mailto:speakersupport@openstack.org.

Cheers, Jimmy

[1] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum [2] https://www.openstack.org/summit/denver-2019/ [3] https://www.openstack.org/summit/denver-2019/call-for-presentations [4] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum/Denver2019 ___________________________________________

Erik,

I definitely understand the timeline is tight. One of the reasons that we publish the schedule so early is to enable community members to plan their schedule early, especially as there is more overlap with the main Summit Schedule in Denver. Additionally, travel approval is often predicated upon someone showing they're leading/moderating a session.

Before publishing the schedule, we print a draft Forum schedule for community feedback and start promotion of the schedule, which we have to put up on the OpenStack website and apps at 5 weeks out. Extending the date beyond the 10th won't give the Forum Selection Committee enough time to complete those tasks.

I think if the Ops team can come up with some high level discussion topics, we'll be happy to put some holds in the Forum schedule for Ops-specific content. diablo_rojo has also offered to attend some of the Ops sessions remotely as well, if that would help you all shape some things into actual sessions.

I wish I could offer a further extension, but extending it another week would push too far into the process.

Cheers, Jimmy

Erik McCormick mailto:emccormick@cirrusseven.com February 27, 2019 at 12:43 PM Jimmy,

I won't even get home until the 10th much less have time to follow up with anyone. The formation of those sessions often come from discussions spawned at the meetup and expanded upon later with folks who could not attend. Could we at least get until 3/17? I understand your desire to finalize the schedule, but 6 weeks out should be more than enough time, no?

Thanks, Erik Jimmy McArthur mailto:jimmy@openstack.org February 27, 2019 at 12:04 PM Hi Erik,

We are able to extend the deadline to 11:59PM Pacific, March 10th. That should give the weekend to get any additional stragglers in and still allow the Forum Programming Committee enough time to manage the rest of the approval and publishing process in time for people's travel needs, etc...

For the Ops Meetup specifically, I'd suggest going a bit broader with the proposals and offering to fill in the blanks later. For example, if something comes up and everyone agrees it should go to the Forum, just submit before the end of the Ops session. Kendall or myself would be happy to help you add details a bit later in the process, should clarification be necessary. We typically have enough spots for the majority of proposed Forum sessions. That's not a guarantee, but food for thought.

Cheers, Jimmy

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Thanks, Erik

Jimmy McArthur mailto:jimmy@openstack.org February 27, 2019 at 10:40 AM Hi Everyone -

A quick reminder that we are accepting Forum [1] submissions for the 2019 Open Infrastructure Summit in Denver [2]. Please submit your ideas through the Summit CFP tool [3] through March 8th. Don't forget to put your brainstorming etherpad up on the Denver Forum page [4].

This is not a classic conference track with speakers and presentations. OSF community members (participants in development teams, operators, working groups, SIGs, and other interested individuals) discuss the topics they want to cover and get alignment on and we welcome your participation. The Forum is your opportunity to help shape the development of future project releases. More information about the Forum [1].

If you have questions or concerns, please reach out to speakersupport@openstack.org mailto:speakersupport@openstack.org.

Cheers, Jimmy

[1] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum [2] https://www.openstack.org/summit/denver-2019/ [3] https://www.openstack.org/summit/denver-2019/call-for-presentations [4] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum/Denver2019 ___________________________________________

Another- nother thought: You could take a look at what is submitted by project teams closer to the deadline and see if your ideas might fit well with theirs since they are looking for feedback from operators anyway. In the past I have always hoped for more engagement in the forum sessions I've submitted but only ever had one or two operators able to join us.

-Kendall (diablo_rojo)

On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 11:14 AM Kendall Nelson kennelson11@gmail.com wrote:

Hello :)

On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 11:08 AM Jimmy McArthur jimmy@openstack.org wrote:

...

Erik,

I definitely understand the timeline is tight. One of the reasons that we publish the schedule so early is to enable community members to plan their schedule early, especially as there is more overlap with the main Summit Schedule in Denver. Additionally, travel approval is often predicated upon someone showing they're leading/moderating a session.

Before publishing the schedule, we print a draft Forum schedule for community feedback and start promotion of the schedule, which we have to put up on the OpenStack website and apps at 5 weeks out. Extending the date beyond the 10th won't give the Forum Selection Committee enough time to complete those tasks.

I think if the Ops team can come up with some high level discussion topics, we'll be happy to put some holds in the Forum schedule for Ops-specific content. diablo_rojo has also offered to attend some of the Ops sessions remotely as well, if that would help you all shape some things into actual sessions.

I'm definitely happy to help as much as I can. If you'll have something set up that I can call into (zoom, webex, bluejeans, hangout, whatever), I definitely will. I could also read through etherpads you take notes in and help summarize things into forum proposals.

Another thing to note is that whatever you/we submit, it doesn't have to be award winning :) Its totally possible to change session descriptions and edit who the speaker is later.

Other random thought, I know Sean McGinnis has attended a lot of the Operators stuff in the past so maybe he could help narrow things down too? Not to sign him up for more work, but I know he's written a forum propsal or two in the past ;)

...

I wish I could offer a further extension, but extending it another week would push too far into the process.

Cheers, Jimmy

Erik McCormick emccormick@cirrusseven.com February 27, 2019 at 12:43 PM

Jimmy,

I won't even get home until the 10th much less have time to follow up with anyone. The formation of those sessions often come from discussions spawned at the meetup and expanded upon later with folks who could not attend. Could we at least get until 3/17? I understand your desire to finalize the schedule, but 6 weeks out should be more than enough time, no?

Thanks, Erik

Jimmy McArthur jimmy@openstack.org February 27, 2019 at 12:04 PM

Hi Erik,

We are able to extend the deadline to 11:59PM Pacific, March 10th. That should give the weekend to get any additional stragglers in and still allow the Forum Programming Committee enough time to manage the rest of the approval and publishing process in time for people's travel needs, etc...

For the Ops Meetup specifically, I'd suggest going a bit broader with the proposals and offering to fill in the blanks later. For example, if something comes up and everyone agrees it should go to the Forum, just submit before the end of the Ops session. Kendall or myself would be happy to help you add details a bit later in the process, should clarification be necessary. We typically have enough spots for the majority of proposed Forum sessions. That's not a guarantee, but food for thought.

Cheers, Jimmy

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Erik McCormick emccormick@cirrusseven.com February 27, 2019 at 11:31 AM Would it be possible to push the deadline back a couple weeks? I expect there to be a few session proposals that will come out of the Ops Meetup which ends the day before the deadline. It would be helpful to have a little time to organize and submit things afterwards.

Thanks, Erik

Jimmy McArthur jimmy@openstack.org February 27, 2019 at 10:40 AM Hi Everyone -

A quick reminder that we are accepting Forum [1] submissions for the 2019 Open Infrastructure Summit in Denver [2]. Please submit your ideas through the Summit CFP tool [3] through March 8th. Don't forget to put your brainstorming etherpad up on the Denver Forum page [4].

This is not a classic conference track with speakers and presentations. OSF community members (participants in development teams, operators, working groups, SIGs, and other interested individuals) discuss the topics they want to cover and get alignment on and we welcome your participation. The Forum is your opportunity to help shape the development of future project releases. More information about the Forum [1].

If you have questions or concerns, please reach out to speakersupport@openstack.org.

Cheers, Jimmy

[1] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum [2] https://www.openstack.org/summit/denver-2019/ [3] https://www.openstack.org/summit/denver-2019/call-for-presentations [4] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum/Denver2019 ___________________________________________

Hopefully that helps!

-Kendall (diablo_rojo)

Hello :)

On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 1:26 PM Chris Morgan mihalis68@gmail.com wrote:

I think the issue is that forum submissions building on what gets discussed in Berlin can't be expected to be finalised whilst attendees to the berlin meetup are still traveling. It's not that Erik can't pull these things together, in fact he's an old hand at this, it's more that this process isn't reasonable if there's so little time to collate what we learn in Berlin and feed it forward to Denver. Frankly it sounds like because the planning committee needs 5 weeks, Erik can have two days. Seem unfair.

Honestly, the decision process doesn't take much time, aside from organizing a time that all 10 people can meet across x timezones (a thing unto itself). Its the community feedback period, giving people enough time to secure travel approval from their management, loading the sessions into the actual schedule app, and other print deadlines that force us to have everything set this far out.

I will definitely help the ops community in whatever way I can! Do you have remote attendance set up for the meetup?

Chris

On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 2:29 PM Kendall Nelson kennelson11@gmail.com wrote:

...

Another- nother thought: You could take a look at what is submitted by project teams closer to the deadline and see if your ideas might fit well with theirs since they are looking for feedback from operators anyway. In the past I have always hoped for more engagement in the forum sessions I've submitted but only ever had one or two operators able to join us.

-Kendall (diablo_rojo)

On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 11:14 AM Kendall Nelson kennelson11@gmail.com wrote:

...

Hello :)

On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 11:08 AM Jimmy McArthur jimmy@openstack.org wrote:

...

Erik,

I definitely understand the timeline is tight. One of the reasons that we publish the schedule so early is to enable community members to plan their schedule early, especially as there is more overlap with the main Summit Schedule in Denver. Additionally, travel approval is often predicated upon someone showing they're leading/moderating a session.

Before publishing the schedule, we print a draft Forum schedule for community feedback and start promotion of the schedule, which we have to put up on the OpenStack website and apps at 5 weeks out. Extending the date beyond the 10th won't give the Forum Selection Committee enough time to complete those tasks.

I think if the Ops team can come up with some high level discussion topics, we'll be happy to put some holds in the Forum schedule for Ops-specific content. diablo_rojo has also offered to attend some of the Ops sessions remotely as well, if that would help you all shape some things into actual sessions.

I'm definitely happy to help as much as I can. If you'll have something set up that I can call into (zoom, webex, bluejeans, hangout, whatever), I definitely will. I could also read through etherpads you take notes in and help summarize things into forum proposals.

Another thing to note is that whatever you/we submit, it doesn't have to be award winning :) Its totally possible to change session descriptions and edit who the speaker is later.

Other random thought, I know Sean McGinnis has attended a lot of the Operators stuff in the past so maybe he could help narrow things down too? Not to sign him up for more work, but I know he's written a forum propsal or two in the past ;)

...

I wish I could offer a further extension, but extending it another week would push too far into the process.

Cheers, Jimmy

Erik McCormick emccormick@cirrusseven.com February 27, 2019 at 12:43 PM

Jimmy,

I won't even get home until the 10th much less have time to follow up with anyone. The formation of those sessions often come from discussions spawned at the meetup and expanded upon later with folks who could not attend. Could we at least get until 3/17? I understand your desire to finalize the schedule, but 6 weeks out should be more than enough time, no?

Thanks, Erik

Jimmy McArthur jimmy@openstack.org February 27, 2019 at 12:04 PM

Hi Erik,

We are able to extend the deadline to 11:59PM Pacific, March 10th. That should give the weekend to get any additional stragglers in and still allow the Forum Programming Committee enough time to manage the rest of the approval and publishing process in time for people's travel needs, etc...

For the Ops Meetup specifically, I'd suggest going a bit broader with the proposals and offering to fill in the blanks later. For example, if something comes up and everyone agrees it should go to the Forum, just submit before the end of the Ops session. Kendall or myself would be happy to help you add details a bit later in the process, should clarification be necessary. We typically have enough spots for the majority of proposed Forum sessions. That's not a guarantee, but food for thought.

Cheers, Jimmy

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Erik McCormick emccormick@cirrusseven.com February 27, 2019 at 11:31 AM Would it be possible to push the deadline back a couple weeks? I expect there to be a few session proposals that will come out of the Ops Meetup which ends the day before the deadline. It would be helpful to have a little time to organize and submit things afterwards.

Thanks, Erik

Jimmy McArthur jimmy@openstack.org February 27, 2019 at 10:40 AM Hi Everyone -

A quick reminder that we are accepting Forum [1] submissions for the 2019 Open Infrastructure Summit in Denver [2]. Please submit your ideas through the Summit CFP tool [3] through March 8th. Don't forget to put your brainstorming etherpad up on the Denver Forum page [4].

This is not a classic conference track with speakers and presentations. OSF community members (participants in development teams, operators, working groups, SIGs, and other interested individuals) discuss the topics they want to cover and get alignment on and we welcome your participation. The Forum is your opportunity to help shape the development of future project releases. More information about the Forum [1].

If you have questions or concerns, please reach out to speakersupport@openstack.org.

Cheers, Jimmy

[1] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum [2] https://www.openstack.org/summit/denver-2019/ [3] https://www.openstack.org/summit/denver-2019/call-for-presentations [4] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum/Denver2019 ___________________________________________

Hopefully that helps!

-Kendall (diablo_rojo)

-- Chris Morgan mihalis68@gmail.com

- Kendall Nelson (diablo_rojo)

Sean,

Sean McGinnis mailto:sean.mcginnis@gmx.com February 27, 2019 at 4:08 PM

To be clear, the issue isn't needing help writing up the submission. So great if someone can attend or watch for topics coming up that can be pulled out into Forum ideas, but the crux is that there are a lot of things discussed at these events and it may take several days after it is over to realize, "hey, that would be really useful if we could discuss that at the Forum."

Totally understood. That's why we're suggesting to put a few (I counted five Ops specific Forum talks in Berlin) placeholder sessions in for Ops with a couple of high level sentences, to be defined later. We're happy to help update the Forum suggestions after y'all have had a chance to parse Meetup outcomes into Forum topics that makes sense.

I don't think what Erik asked for is unreasonable. The Ops Meetup event is exactly the target we want feeding into Forum discussions. If we can give a week after the event for the Ops Meetup ends for this processing to happen, I think we increase the odds of an effective and useful Forum.

I understand the POV, but keep in mind we're also trying to program against many other interests and we have deadlines that we have to reach with regards to getting comms out to the rest of the community. We've extended the deadline by two days, which I hope will give the Ops Community enough time to parse the info from the Meetup into a few bite-size bits that we can use as placeholders on the schedule, with details TBD.

I want to re-emphasize, Kendall and I are happy to help in any way possible on this. If you want to pass along some napkin notes, we can do help get those into the schedule :) It's critical that we provide at least a straw man schedule to the community as early as possible, so we can identify conflicts and travel considerations for our attendees.

Thanks, Jimmy

Can we please extend that deadline out a few more days to make sure we get this valuable input?

Sean Kendall Nelson mailto:kennelson11@gmail.com February 27, 2019 at 3:57 PM Hello :)

On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 1:26 PM Chris Morgan <mihalis68@gmail.com mailto:mihalis68@gmail.com> wrote:

I think the issue is that forum submissions building on what gets
discussed in Berlin can't be expected to be finalised whilst
attendees to the berlin meetup are still traveling. It's not that
Erik can't pull these things together, in fact he's an old hand at
this, it's more that this process isn't reasonable if there's so
little time to collate what we learn in Berlin and feed it forward
to Denver. Frankly it sounds like because the planning committee
needs 5 weeks, Erik can have two days. Seem unfair.

Honestly, the decision process doesn't take much time, aside from organizing a time that all 10 people can meet across x timezones (a thing unto itself). Its the community feedback period, giving people enough time to secure travel approval from their management, loading the sessions into the actual schedule app, and other print deadlines that force us to have everything set this far out.

I will definitely help the ops community in whatever way I can! Do you have remote attendance set up for the meetup?

Chris

On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 2:29 PM Kendall Nelson
<kennelson11@gmail.com <mailto:kennelson11@gmail.com>> wrote:

    Another- nother thought: You could take a look at what is
    submitted by project teams closer to the deadline and see if
    your ideas might fit well with theirs since they are looking
    for feedback from operators anyway. In the past I have always
    hoped for more engagement in the forum sessions I've submitted
    but only ever had one or two operators able to join us.

    -Kendall (diablo_rojo)

    On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 11:14 AM Kendall Nelson
    <kennelson11@gmail.com <mailto:kennelson11@gmail.com>> wrote:

        Hello :)

        On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 11:08 AM Jimmy McArthur
        <jimmy@openstack.org <mailto:jimmy@openstack.org>> wrote:

            Erik,

            I definitely understand the timeline is tight.  One of
            the reasons that we publish the schedule so early is
            to enable community members to plan their schedule
            early, especially as there is more overlap with the
            main Summit Schedule in Denver.  Additionally, travel
            approval is often predicated upon someone showing
            they're leading/moderating a session.

            Before publishing the schedule, we  print a draft
            Forum schedule for community feedback and start
            promotion of the schedule, which we have to put up on
            the OpenStack website and apps at 5 weeks out.
            Extending the date beyond the 10th won't give the
            Forum Selection Committee enough time to complete
            those tasks.

            I think if the Ops team can come up with some high
            level discussion topics, we'll be happy to put some
            holds in the Forum schedule for Ops-specific content. 
            diablo_rojo has also offered to attend some of the Ops
            sessions remotely as well, if that would help you all
            shape some things into actual sessions.


        I'm definitely happy to help as much as I can. If you'll
        have something set up that I can call into (zoom, webex,
        bluejeans, hangout, whatever), I definitely will. I could
        also read through etherpads you take notes in and help
        summarize things into forum proposals.

        Another thing to note is that whatever you/we submit, it
        doesn't have to be award winning :) Its totally possible
        to change session descriptions and edit who the speaker is
        later.

        Other random thought, I know Sean McGinnis has attended a
        lot of the Operators stuff in the past so maybe he could
        help narrow things down too? Not to sign him up for more
        work, but I know he's written a forum propsal or two in
        the past ;)


            I wish I could offer a further extension, but
            extending it another week would push too far into the
            process.

            Cheers,
            Jimmy

...

            Erik McCormick <mailto:emccormick@cirrusseven.com>
            February 27, 2019 at 12:43 PM
            Jimmy,

            I won't even get home until the 10th much less have
            time to follow up
            with anyone. The formation of those sessions often
            come from
            discussions spawned at the meetup and expanded upon
            later with folks
            who could not attend. Could we at least get until
            3/17? I understand
            your desire to finalize the schedule, but 6 weeks out
            should be more
            than enough time, no?

            Thanks,
            Erik
            Jimmy McArthur <mailto:jimmy@openstack.org>
            February 27, 2019 at 12:04 PM
            Hi Erik,

            We are able to extend the deadline to 11:59PM
            Pacific, March 10th.  That should give the weekend to
            get any additional stragglers in and still allow the
            Forum Programming Committee enough time to manage the
            rest of the approval and publishing process in time
            for people's travel needs, etc...

            For the Ops Meetup specifically, I'd suggest going a
            bit broader with the proposals and offering to fill
            in the blanks later.  For example, if something comes
            up and everyone agrees it should go to the Forum,
            just submit before the end of the Ops session. 
            Kendall or myself would be happy to help you add
            details a bit later in the process, should
            clarification be necessary.  We typically have enough
            spots for the majority of proposed Forum sessions. 
            That's not a guarantee, but food for thought.

            Cheers,
            Jimmy


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            Erik McCormick <mailto:emccormick@cirrusseven.com>
            February 27, 2019 at 11:31 AM
            Would it be possible to push the deadline back a
            couple weeks? I expect there to be a few session
            proposals that will come out of the Ops Meetup which
            ends the day before the deadline. It would be helpful
            to have a little time to organize and submit things
            afterwards.

            Thanks,
            Erik

            Jimmy McArthur <mailto:jimmy@openstack.org>
            February 27, 2019 at 10:40 AM
            Hi Everyone -

            A quick reminder that we are accepting Forum [1]
            submissions for the 2019 Open Infrastructure Summit
            in Denver [2].  Please submit your ideas through the
            Summit CFP tool [3] through March 8th.  Don't forget
            to put your brainstorming etherpad up on the Denver
            Forum page [4].

            This is not a classic conference track with speakers
            and presentations. OSF community members
            (participants in development teams, operators,
            working groups, SIGs, and other interested
            individuals) discuss the topics they want to cover
            and get alignment on and we welcome your
            participation.  The Forum is your opportunity to help
            shape the development of future project releases.
            More information about the Forum [1].

            If you have questions or concerns, please reach out
            to speakersupport@openstack.org
            <mailto:speakersupport@openstack.org>.

            Cheers,
            Jimmy

            [1] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum
            [2] https://www.openstack.org/summit/denver-2019/
            [3]
            https://www.openstack.org/summit/denver-2019/call-for-presentations
            [4] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum/Denver2019
            ___________________________________________

        Hopefully that helps!

        -Kendall (diablo_rojo)



-- 
Chris Morgan <mihalis68@gmail.com <mailto:mihalis68@gmail.com>>

• Kendall Nelson (diablo_rojo)

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Chris

-- Chris Morgan <mihalis68@gmail.com mailto:mihalis68@gmail.com> Kendall Nelson mailto:kennelson11@gmail.com February 27, 2019 at 1:19 PM Another- nother thought: You could take a look at what is submitted by project teams closer to the deadline and see if your ideas might fit well with theirs since they are looking for feedback from operators anyway. In the past I have always hoped for more engagement in the forum sessions I've submitted but only ever had one or two operators able to join us.

-Kendall (diablo_rojo)

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On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 11:08 AM Jimmy McArthur <jimmy@openstack.org mailto:jimmy@openstack.org> wrote:

Erik,

I definitely understand the timeline is tight.  One of the reasons
that we publish the schedule so early is to enable community
members to plan their schedule early, especially as there is more
overlap with the main Summit Schedule in Denver.  Additionally,
travel approval is often predicated upon someone showing they're
leading/moderating a session.

Before publishing the schedule, we  print a draft Forum schedule
for community feedback and start promotion of the schedule, which
we have to put up on the OpenStack website and apps at 5 weeks
out. Extending the date beyond the 10th won't give the Forum
Selection Committee enough time to complete those tasks.

I think if the Ops team can come up with some high level
discussion topics, we'll be happy to put some holds in the Forum
schedule for Ops-specific content.  diablo_rojo has also offered
to attend some of the Ops sessions remotely as well, if that would
help you all shape some things into actual sessions.

I'm definitely happy to help as much as I can. If you'll have something set up that I can call into (zoom, webex, bluejeans, hangout, whatever), I definitely will. I could also read through etherpads you take notes in and help summarize things into forum proposals.

Another thing to note is that whatever you/we submit, it doesn't have to be award winning :) Its totally possible to change session descriptions and edit who the speaker is later.

Other random thought, I know Sean McGinnis has attended a lot of the Operators stuff in the past so maybe he could help narrow things down too? Not to sign him up for more work, but I know he's written a forum propsal or two in the past ;)

I wish I could offer a further extension, but extending it another
week would push too far into the process.

Cheers,
Jimmy

...

Erik McCormick <mailto:emccormick@cirrusseven.com>
February 27, 2019 at 12:43 PM
Jimmy,

I won't even get home until the 10th much less have time to follow up
with anyone. The formation of those sessions often come from
discussions spawned at the meetup and expanded upon later with folks
who could not attend. Could we at least get until 3/17? I understand
your desire to finalize the schedule, but 6 weeks out should be more
than enough time, no?

Thanks,
Erik
Jimmy McArthur <mailto:jimmy@openstack.org>
February 27, 2019 at 12:04 PM
Hi Erik,

We are able to extend the deadline to 11:59PM Pacific, March
10th.  That should give the weekend to get any additional
stragglers in and still allow the Forum Programming Committee
enough time to manage the rest of the approval and publishing
process in time for people's travel needs, etc...

For the Ops Meetup specifically, I'd suggest going a bit broader
with the proposals and offering to fill in the blanks later.  For
example, if something comes up and everyone agrees it should go
to the Forum, just submit before the end of the Ops session. 
Kendall or myself would be happy to help you add details a bit
later in the process, should clarification be necessary.  We
typically have enough spots for the majority of proposed Forum
sessions.  That's not a guarantee, but food for thought.

Cheers,
Jimmy


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Erik McCormick <mailto:emccormick@cirrusseven.com>
February 27, 2019 at 11:31 AM
Would it be possible to push the deadline back a couple weeks? I
expect there to be a few session proposals that will come out of
the Ops Meetup which ends the day before the deadline. It would
be helpful to have a little time to organize and submit things
afterwards.

Thanks,
Erik

Jimmy McArthur <mailto:jimmy@openstack.org>
February 27, 2019 at 10:40 AM
Hi Everyone -

A quick reminder that we are accepting Forum [1] submissions for
the 2019 Open Infrastructure Summit in Denver [2].  Please submit
your ideas through the Summit CFP tool [3] through March 8th. 
Don't forget to put your brainstorming etherpad up on the Denver
Forum page [4].

This is not a classic conference track with speakers and
presentations. OSF community members (participants in development
teams, operators, working groups, SIGs, and other interested
individuals) discuss the topics they want to cover and get
alignment on and we welcome your participation.  The Forum is
your opportunity to help shape the development of future project
releases. More information about the Forum [1].

If you have questions or concerns, please reach out to
speakersupport@openstack.org <mailto:speakersupport@openstack.org>.

Cheers,
Jimmy

[1] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum
[2] https://www.openstack.org/summit/denver-2019/
[3]
https://www.openstack.org/summit/denver-2019/call-for-presentations
[4] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum/Denver2019
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Hopefully that helps!

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On 2019-02-27 18:51:49 -0500 (-0500), Erik McCormick wrote: [...]

I would also be curious to hear from anyone who is basing their travel choices on the approval status of a Forum session. I believe that this number is 0, but I'm ready to be proven wrong.

[...]

We had someone in the Diversity WG meeting this week express that their employer won't send them for all 3 days of the Summit so they need to know which day the WG's forum session will be scheduled as far in advance as possible to be able to make travel arrangements. I know that's just one example, but there are likely more.

On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 06:51:49PM -0500, Erik McCormick wrote:

In future, we would love to know cutoff dates as soon as you know what they are. We don't have a lot of control over exact dates of the meetup as it's based primarily on the availability of the host organization. However, if it comes soon enough we can try to influence the date and plan for it as best we can.

Given it's the same format every time they're known now? See: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum for the format.

So we know the post Denver summit is in Shnaghai:

[tony@thor ~]$ python3 Python 3.7.2 (default, Jan 16 2019, 19:49:22) [GCC 8.2.1 20181215 (Red Hat 8.2.1-6)] on linux Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.

...

...

import datetime T=datetime.date(2019,11,4) print('Etherpads %s' % (T - datetime.timedelta(weeks=11)))

Etherpads 2019-08-19

...

...

print('Deadline %s' % (T - datetime.timedelta(weeks=7)))

Deadline 2019-09-16

...

...

I would also be curious to hear from anyone who is basing their travel choices on the approval status of a Forum session. I believe that this number is 0, but I'm ready to be proven wrong.

There are companies that only fund 'speakers' for travel and there are some developer types (like myself) that will be moderating forum sessions (hopefully) but not talking at the summit.

So there certainly *are* people in this situation.

Tony.

Tony Breeds tony@bakeyournoodle.com wrote:

On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 06:51:49PM -0500, Erik McCormick wrote:

...

I would also be curious to hear from anyone who is basing their travel choices on the approval status of a Forum session. I believe that this number is 0, but I'm ready to be proven wrong.

There are companies that only fund 'speakers' for travel and there are some developer types (like myself) that will be moderating forum sessions (hopefully) but not talking at the summit.

So there certainly *are* people in this situation.

I can confirm that. I almost missed attending Berlin because I did not have a speaking session approved, despite having two self-healing SIG sessions to moderate. This nearly happened again with Denver 2019 in fact.

I suspect the problem here is not companies valuing developer sessions less than presentations (certainly not in the case of my employer anyway!), but rather that the Forum and PTG sessions / schedules are determined much later than that of the main summit, by which time many companies need to have already approved and booked travel in order to avoid expensive flights / hotels.

Therefore I would request that if possible the idea is considered to bring this planning forward so that it happens roughly at the same time as the Summit.

I do appreciate that might cause unmanageably high workloads for certain Foundation staff, but if so maybe there is a middle ground which could work?

Cheers, Adam