[placement][ptg] Shanghai attendance
As with nova [1] and keystone [2], placement needs to decide what kind of presence it would like to have at the PTG portion of the event in Shanghai in November, and let the Foundation know. I've already expressed that I don't intend to go [3] and in that message asked for feedback from the rest of the placement team on whether we need to do any placement work there, given the value we got out of the virtual pre-PTG in April. Let me ask again: Do we need a presence at the PTG in Shanghai? I've created an etherpad where we can track who will be there for sure and who will not, and start making note of relevant topics. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/placement-shanghai-ptg [1] http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-July/007640.html [2] http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-July/007639.html [3] http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-July/007527.html -- Chris Dent ٩◔̯◔۶ https://anticdent.org/ freenode: cdent
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asked for feedback from the rest of the placement team on whether we need to do any placement work there, given the value we got out of the virtual pre-PTG in April.
Let me ask again: Do we need a presence at the PTG in Shanghai?
The email-based virtual pre-PTG was extremely productive. We should definitely do it again. However, I feel like that last hour on Saturday saw more design progress than weeks worth of emails or spec reviews could have accomplished. To me, this is the value of the in-person meetups. It sucks that we can't involve everybody in the discussions - but we can rapidly crystallize an idea enough to produce a coherent spec that *can* then involve everybody. Having said that, I'm really not coming up with any major design topics that would benefit from such a meetup this time around. I feel like what we've accomplished in Train sets us up for a cycle or two of refinement (perf/docs/refactor/tech-debt) rather than feature work. I suppose we'll see what shakes out on the
https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/placement-shanghai-ptg efried .
On Thu, 2019-07-11 at 12:58 -0500, Eric Fried wrote:
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asked for feedback from the rest of the placement team on whether we need to do any placement work there, given the value we got out of the virtual pre-PTG in April.
Let me ask again: Do we need a presence at the PTG in Shanghai?
The email-based virtual pre-PTG was extremely productive. We should definitely do it again.
However, I feel like that last hour on Saturday saw more design progress than weeks worth of emails or spec reviews could have accomplished. To me, this is the value of the in-person meetups. It sucks that we can't involve everybody in the discussions - but we can rapidly crystallize an idea enough to produce a coherent spec that *can* then involve everybody. well if ye do a virtual email based pre-ptg again why not also continue that virtual concept and consider a google hangout or somehting to allow realtime discussion with video/etherpad. i personally found the email discussion hard to follow vs an etherpad or gerrit review per topic but it did have pluses too.
Having said that, I'm really not coming up with any major design topics that would benefit from such a meetup this time around. I feel like what we've accomplished in Train sets us up for a cycle or two of refinement (perf/docs/refactor/tech-debt) rather than feature work. I suppose we'll see what shakes out on the
efried .
On Thu, 11 Jul 2019, Sean Mooney wrote:
well if ye do a virtual email based pre-ptg again why not also continue that virtual concept and consider a google hangout or somehting to allow realtime discussion with video/etherpad. i personally found the email discussion hard to follow vs an etherpad or gerrit review per topic but it did have pluses too.
Let's work this out closer to the time. If it's what people want we can certainly do it. I'd vote against it, but definitely not block it. -- Chris Dent ٩◔̯◔۶ https://anticdent.org/ freenode: cdent
On 2019-07-11 22:32:30 +0100 (+0100), Chris Dent wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jul 2019, Sean Mooney wrote:
well if ye do a virtual email based pre-ptg again why not also continue that virtual concept and consider a google hangout or somehting to allow realtime discussion with video/etherpad. i personally found the email discussion hard to follow vs an etherpad or gerrit review per topic but it did have pluses too.
Let's work this out closer to the time. If it's what people want we can certainly do it. I'd vote against it, but definitely not block it.
Or pop some popcorn and sit back... they're going to have a devil of a time getting to Google Hangouts from behind the GFWoC. -- Jeremy Stanley
On Thu, 2019-07-11 at 21:55 +0000, Jeremy Stanley wrote:
On 2019-07-11 22:32:30 +0100 (+0100), Chris Dent wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jul 2019, Sean Mooney wrote:
well if ye do a virtual email based pre-ptg again why not also continue that virtual concept and consider a google hangout or somehting to allow realtime discussion with video/etherpad. i personally found the email discussion hard to follow vs an etherpad or gerrit review per topic but it did have pluses too.
Let's work this out closer to the time. If it's what people want we can certainly do it. I'd vote against it, but definitely not block it. well it was more of a suggestion that if a.) hallway chats/ spare rooms was not enough and b.) realtime "virtual" face 2 face time was needed for some reason an online meeting could proably be tried a a fall back. if its not needed great.
Or pop some popcorn and sit back... they're going to have a devil of a time getting to Google Hangouts from behind the GFWoC. hehe ya i was actully thinking of still before the ptg. hangout during the ptg praobly wont be much of an option.
On Thu, 11 Jul 2019, Eric Fried wrote:
asked for feedback from the rest of the placement team on whether we need to do any placement work there, given the value we got out of the virtual pre-PTG in April.
Let me ask again: Do we need a presence at the PTG in Shanghai?
The email-based virtual pre-PTG was extremely productive. We should definitely do it again.
However, I feel like that last hour on Saturday saw more design progress than weeks worth of emails or spec reviews could have accomplished. To me, this is the value of the in-person meetups. It sucks that we can't involve everybody in the discussions - but we can rapidly crystallize an idea enough to produce a coherent spec that *can* then involve everybody.
I don't dispute that, and if sufficient people are there, then I hope that such conversations can happen. However, if it's just that hour that is useful, then we don't need to have placement attend in a formal fashion. Spare rooms and a little forethought plus serendipity will do the trick. This is especially the case for Shanghai if the same thing that was true in Denver remains so: most people will be engaged with other meetings and projects [1].
Having said that, I'm really not coming up with any major design topics that would benefit from such a meetup this time around. I feel like what we've accomplished in Train sets us up for a cycle or two of refinement (perf/docs/refactor/tech-debt) rather than feature work.
Yes. It might even be possible to call it mature and close to done. That's what it is if nobody is clamoring for features. [1] BTW: I think this is a good thing. If placement requires three days of 30 people who only work on that talking at one another, we're doing placement completely wrong. -- Chris Dent ٩◔̯◔۶ https://anticdent.org/ freenode: cdent
participants (4)
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Chris Dent
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Eric Fried
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Jeremy Stanley
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Sean Mooney