On 2019-01-29 10:56 a.m., Chris Morgan wrote:

Frank, just to clarify, is your question "is it safe for us to go to denver?" i.e. Deutsch Telekom employees, given that the US just made very serious allegations against a fellow open stack contributing telecom company?

Chris

On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 2:56 AM Frank Kloeker <eumel@arcor.de> wrote:

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Good morning,

just a question, out of curiosity: Is the Denver Summit save? I mean, we received a lot of breaking news in the morning, that Huawei is charged in court and is doing a lot of bad things (i.e. stolen a robotics arm). I don't want to bring in any political discussions. But surely as you know, Huawei is one of the top contributor to our Open Source project. They work hard and do not need to steal things. Is there any chance that one of our friends will be caught next? At the summit between political fronts? I feel a little uncomfortable with it. We are an open community and should clarify this inconsistency.

kind regards

Frank

One of the things I think we can agree on in an open source community is the importance of making decisions about our own behaviour as individuals, based on facts. I don't have an answer to the question posed. I do have some suggestions for those interested on how to access facts in this matter. I find that reading multiple news sources on a given issue to be very helpful as I try to understand the full picture. In this matter, I find that reading Canadian news sources, cbc.ca/news, thestar.com (you will be prompted to subscribe, you don't have to subscribe), and globeandmail.com (some articles are for subscribers only) to be very useful. The Canadian news site nationalpost.com used to be a source I read often, but now I believe all articles are for subscribers only. Internationally I find bbc.co.uk helpful. Thank you, Anita

On 2019-01-29 2:40 p.m., Adam Spiers wrote:

Anita Kuno <anteaya@anteaya.info> wrote:

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One of the things I think we can agree on in an open source community is the importance of making decisions about our own behaviour as individuals, based on facts.

Agreed.

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I don't have an answer to the question posed. I do have some suggestions for those interested on how to access facts in this matter.

I find that reading multiple news sources on a given issue to be very helpful as I try to understand the full picture.

This is a great suggestion.

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In this matter, I find that reading Canadian news sources, cbc.ca/news, thestar.com (you will be prompted to subscribe, you don't have to subscribe), and globeandmail.com (some articles are for subscribers only) to be very useful. The Canadian news site nationalpost.com used to be a source I read often, but now I believe all articles are for subscribers only. Internationally I find bbc.co.uk helpful.

Yes, BBC News is probably still fine for most news outside the UK. Although FWIW (and at a risk of going off on a tangent) my personal opinion as a Brit is that whilst BBC has traditionally been a fairly reliable news source with a (global?) reputation for impartiality, sadly it is no longer in general quite what it used to be.  In particular I would recommend taking any coverage in which UK politics has a stake with a pinch of salt.

Thanks Adam, I'm always glad to have some commentary from folks who know the source well. I've reserved rather a muddy space in my mind for the current Brit political situation, I keep hoping today will be the day I can understand it. Sadly today is, again, not the day. If you have a suggestion for another international news source, I'm open to adding it to my list as well. This invitation is open to any reader of this email as well as Adam. Thank you, Anita

Here again Anita's advice to consult multiple sources from different viewpoints is excellent :-)

I certainly don't have any special knowlege on this topic. But as an American it seems to me Huawei is the only company specifically targeted, though there may be reason for concern for other Chinese companies. Even in those though only very high level executives are likely to have coause for cencern. If you are working for Deutsch Telekom I can't imagine a problem. If you're working for Huawei unless you have significan influnence over corporate decision making (in which case you would be asking corporate lawyers no a mailing list for risk assessment) I also can't imagine a serious problem at worst they may not issue visas or delay processing them to effectively but not "officially" deny travel. These are just my opinions from how I'm reading public news sources so take it for what it is -jon On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 08:04:33PM +0100, Frank Kloeker wrote: :Hi Chris, : :not sure. T-Mobile is also a foreign company in the US which conquered many :market shares. :Hopefully our name is not on the target list, yet. : :Frank : : :Am 2019-01-29 16:56, schrieb Chris Morgan: :> Frank, just to clarify, is your question "is it safe for us to go to :> denver?" i.e. Deutsch Telekom employees, given that the US just made :> very serious allegations against a fellow open stack contributing :> telecom company? :> :> Chris :> :> On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 2:56 AM Frank Kloeker <eumel@arcor.de> wrote: :> :> > Good morning, :> > :> > just a question, out of curiosity: Is the Denver Summit save? I :> > mean, we :> > received a lot of breaking news in the morning, that Huawei is :> > charged :> > in court and is doing a lot of bad things (i.e. stolen a robotics :> > arm). :> > I don't want to bring in any political discussions. But surely as :> > you :> > know, Huawei is one of the top contributor to our Open Source :> > project. :> > They work hard and do not need to steal things. Is there any chance :> > that :> > one of our friends will be caught next? At the summit between :> > political :> > fronts? I feel a little uncomfortable with it. :> > We are an open community and should clarify this inconsistency. :> > :> > kind regards :> > :> > Frank :> :> -- :> Chris Morgan <mihalis68@gmail.com> : :

On 2019-01-29 2:04 p.m., Frank Kloeker wrote:

T-Mobile is also a foreign company in the US which conquered many market shares. Hopefully our name is not on the target list, yet.

Did you personally violate trade sanctions? If your source of news has not seen fit to identify the cause of the issue as a violation of trade sanctions, I encourage a increase in scope in your news gathering. Thank you, Anita