Re: [OpenStack Foundation] [tc][board][all] - Adding OpenStack community support to the savedotorg campaign
On 26/11/2019 16:44, Alan Clark wrote:
Who owns savedotorg.org? I see EFF references on the page but when I look it up the domain it appears to all be "REDACTED".
From https://savedotorg.org/index.php/about/ - it is ran by NTEN (https://www.nten.org/)
It is supported by the EFF (among others)
-----Original Message----- From: Graham Hayes [mailto:gr@ham.ie] Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 9:35 AM To: Jimmy McArthur <jimmy@openstack.org> Cc: openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org; foundation- board@lists.openstack.org; foundation@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [OpenStack Foundation] [tc][board][all] - Adding OpenStack community support to the savedotorg campaign
On 26/11/2019 16:16, Jimmy McArthur wrote:
From my reading of the situation, it’s a done deal. It seems like ICAAN just crammed it through. Is there new info out that could reverse it?
Thanks, Jimmy
My understanding is it looks bleak, but there is a chance to shame the owners into halting the sale.
I think ICAAN can still block the same (until December 13th, 30 days after they were notified), and through pure poor marketing, and raising our voices, this could help convince the current owners of PIR (who is ISOC) to re-consider the idea.
On Nov 26, 2019, at 8:50 AM, Amy <amy@demarco.com> wrote:
I agree with the OSF submitting on behalf of OpenStack and the other projects. I also like the idea of individuals signing as contributors.
Amy Marrich (spotz)
On Nov 26, 2019, at 8:17 AM, Sean McGinnis <sean.mcginnis@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 7:00 AM Graham Hayes <gr@ham.ie> wrote:
Hey All,
I am not sure if this has been seen by everyone or not - but there is a change in how the .org top level domain is being ran in the works, in a way that may not be in the best interests of the non profits that it was created to facilitate. [1]
A lot of well known non profits have already joined, and as a community that has an interest in the internet as a whole, and uses a .org domain, I think we should add our voice in support.
What do people think? Are we happy to have the TC use its voice on behalf of the OpenStack project, or do we think the board should use its voice on behalf of the entire foundation?
- Graham
I agree this is a Foundation level thing (though individuals can add their names to the petition as well). I would support adding OSF to the list of organizations.
Sean
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A few more news posts about the topic: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/11/20/org_registry_sale_shambles/ https://gizmodo.com/private-equity-ghouls-buy-non-profit-that-handles-org-18... http://blogs.harvard.edu/sj/2019/11/23/a-tale-of-icann-and-regulatory-captur... https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/11/private-equity-firm-buys-org-dom... https://medium.com/@jacobmalthouse/in-which-i-explain-why-all-of-andrew-sull... https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50515786 HTH, Allison On 11/26/19 12:33 PM, Graham Hayes wrote:
On 26/11/2019 16:44, Alan Clark wrote:
Who owns savedotorg.org? I see EFF references on the page but when I look it up the domain it appears to all be "REDACTED".
From https://savedotorg.org/index.php/about/ - it is ran by NTEN (https://www.nten.org/)
It is supported by the EFF (among others)
-----Original Message----- From: Graham Hayes [mailto:gr@ham.ie] Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 9:35 AM To: Jimmy McArthur <jimmy@openstack.org> Cc: openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org; foundation- board@lists.openstack.org; foundation@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [OpenStack Foundation] [tc][board][all] - Adding OpenStack community support to the savedotorg campaign
On 26/11/2019 16:16, Jimmy McArthur wrote:
From my reading of the situation, it’s a done deal. It seems like ICAAN just crammed it through. Is there new info out that could reverse it?
Thanks, Jimmy
My understanding is it looks bleak, but there is a chance to shame the owners into halting the sale.
I think ICAAN can still block the same (until December 13th, 30 days after they were notified), and through pure poor marketing, and raising our voices, this could help convince the current owners of PIR (who is ISOC) to re-consider the idea.
On Nov 26, 2019, at 8:50 AM, Amy <amy@demarco.com> wrote:
I agree with the OSF submitting on behalf of OpenStack and the other projects. I also like the idea of individuals signing as contributors.
Amy Marrich (spotz)
> On Nov 26, 2019, at 8:17 AM, Sean McGinnis <sean.mcginnis@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 7:00 AM Graham Hayes <gr@ham.ie> wrote: > > Hey All, > > I am not sure if this has been seen by everyone or not - but there > is a change in how the .org top level domain is being ran in the > works, in a way that may not be in the best interests of the non > profits that it was created to facilitate. [1] > > A lot of well known non profits have already joined, and as a > community that has an interest in the internet as a whole, and uses > a .org domain, I think we should add our voice in support. > > What do people think? Are we happy to have the TC use its voice on > behalf of the OpenStack project, or do we think the board should > use its voice on behalf of the entire foundation? > > - Graham > > > 1 - https://savedotorg.org/ >
I agree this is a Foundation level thing (though individuals can add their names to the petition as well). I would support adding OSF to the list of organizations.
Sean
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Thanks Allison. And thanks Graham for raising this in the community. On Tue, Dec 10, 2019, 10:53 Allison Randal <allison@lohutok.net> wrote:
A few more news posts about the topic:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/11/20/org_registry_sale_shambles/
https://gizmodo.com/private-equity-ghouls-buy-non-profit-that-handles-org-18...
http://blogs.harvard.edu/sj/2019/11/23/a-tale-of-icann-and-regulatory-captur...
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/11/private-equity-firm-buys-org-dom...
https://medium.com/@jacobmalthouse/in-which-i-explain-why-all-of-andrew-sull...
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50515786
HTH, Allison
On 11/26/19 12:33 PM, Graham Hayes wrote:
On 26/11/2019 16:44, Alan Clark wrote:
Who owns savedotorg.org? I see EFF references on the page but when I look it up the domain it appears to all be "REDACTED".
From https://savedotorg.org/index.php/about/ - it is ran by NTEN (https://www.nten.org/)
It is supported by the EFF (among others)
-----Original Message----- From: Graham Hayes [mailto:gr@ham.ie] Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 9:35 AM To: Jimmy McArthur <jimmy@openstack.org> Cc: openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org; foundation- board@lists.openstack.org; foundation@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [OpenStack Foundation] [tc][board][all] - Adding OpenStack community support to the savedotorg campaign
On 26/11/2019 16:16, Jimmy McArthur wrote:
From my reading of the situation, it’s a done deal. It seems like
ICAAN just
crammed it through. Is there new info out that could reverse it?
Thanks, Jimmy
My understanding is it looks bleak, but there is a chance to shame the owners into halting the sale.
I think ICAAN can still block the same (until December 13th, 30 days after they were notified), and through pure poor marketing, and raising our voices, this could help convince the current owners of PIR (who is ISOC) to re-consider the idea.
On Nov 26, 2019, at 8:50 AM, Amy <amy@demarco.com> wrote:
I agree with the OSF submitting on behalf of OpenStack and the other projects. I also like the idea of individuals signing as contributors.
Amy Marrich (spotz)
>> On Nov 26, 2019, at 8:17 AM, Sean McGinnis < sean.mcginnis@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 7:00 AM Graham Hayes <gr@ham.ie> wrote: >> >> Hey All, >> >> I am not sure if this has been seen by everyone or not - but there >> is a change in how the .org top level domain is being ran in the >> works, in a way that may not be in the best interests of the non >> profits that it was created to facilitate. [1] >> >> A lot of well known non profits have already joined, and as a >> community that has an interest in the internet as a whole, and uses >> a .org domain, I think we should add our voice in support. >> >> What do people think? Are we happy to have the TC use its voice on >> behalf of the OpenStack project, or do we think the board should >> use its voice on behalf of the entire foundation? >> >> - Graham >> >> >> 1 - https://savedotorg.org/ >> > > I agree this is a Foundation level thing (though individuals can add > their names to the petition as well). I would support adding OSF to > the list of organizations. > > Sean >
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On 10/12/2019 16:01, Sean McGinnis wrote:
Thanks Allison. And thanks Graham for raising this in the community.
On Tue, Dec 10, 2019, 10:53 Allison Randal <allison@lohutok.net <mailto:allison@lohutok.net>> wrote:
A few more news posts about the topic:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/11/20/org_registry_sale_shambles/ <https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/11/20/org_registry_sale_shambles/>
https://gizmodo.com/private-equity-ghouls-buy-non-profit-that-handles-org-18... <https://gizmodo.com/private-equity-ghouls-buy-non-profit-that-handles-org-1839860118>
http://blogs.harvard.edu/sj/2019/11/23/a-tale-of-icann-and-regulatory-captur... <http://blogs.harvard.edu/sj/2019/11/23/a-tale-of-icann-and-regulatory-capture-the-dot-org-heist/>
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/11/private-equity-firm-buys-org-dom... <https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/11/private-equity-firm-buys-org-domain-months-after-icann-lifted-price-caps/>
https://medium.com/@jacobmalthouse/in-which-i-explain-why-all-of-andrew-sull... <https://medium.com/@jacobmalthouse/in-which-i-explain-why-all-of-andrew-sullivans-reasons-for-selling-org-are-wrong-449997d42cac>
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50515786 <https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50515786>
HTH, Allison
<snip/> It seems the pressure on ICANN has had an effect: https://www.icann.org/news/blog/org-update
<snip/>
It seems the pressure on ICANN has had an effect:
Great to see something happening. Thanks for the update Graham!
Thanks to the OpenStack community highlighting this important issue. I have added my comments to icann for what they are worth. ~ sean From: Sean McGinnis Sent: Monday, December 16, 2019 5:42 AM To: Graham Hayes Cc: openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org; foundation@lists.openstack.org; foundation-board@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [OpenStack Foundation] [Foundation Board] [tc][board][all] -Adding OpenStack community support to the savedotorg campaign
<snip/>
It seems the pressure on ICANN has had an effect:
Great to see something happening. Thanks for the update Graham! _______________________________________________ Foundation mailing list Foundation@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/foundation
On 12/16/19 6:15 AM, Graham Hayes wrote:
On 10/12/2019 16:01, Sean McGinnis wrote:
Thanks Allison. And thanks Graham for raising this in the community.
On Tue, Dec 10, 2019, 10:53 Allison Randal <allison@lohutok.net <mailto:allison@lohutok.net>> wrote:
A few more news posts about the topic:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/11/20/org_registry_sale_shambles/
<https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/11/20/org_registry_sale_shambles/>
https://gizmodo.com/private-equity-ghouls-buy-non-profit-that-handles-org-18...
<https://gizmodo.com/private-equity-ghouls-buy-non-profit-that-handles-org-1839860118>
http://blogs.harvard.edu/sj/2019/11/23/a-tale-of-icann-and-regulatory-captur...
<http://blogs.harvard.edu/sj/2019/11/23/a-tale-of-icann-and-regulatory-capture-the-dot-org-heist/>
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/11/private-equity-firm-buys-org-dom...
https://medium.com/@jacobmalthouse/in-which-i-explain-why-all-of-andrew-sull...
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50515786 <https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50515786>
HTH, Allison
<snip/>
It seems the pressure on ICANN has had an effect:
It's progress anyway. Hopefully this additional inquiry will result in some real changes. Thanks for getting the word out, Graham. I might have missed this completely otherwise.
participants (5)
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Allison Randal
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Ben Nemec
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Graham Hayes
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Sean
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Sean McGinnis