[all][tc][ptl] "Meet the project leaders" opportunities in Shanghai
Hi everyone, The summit is going to mainland China for the first time. It's a great opportunity to meet the Chinese community, make ourselves available for direct discussion, and on-board new team members. In order to facilitate that, the TC has been suggesting that the Foundation organizes two opportunities to "meet the project leaders" during the Summit in Shanghai: one around the Monday evening marketplace mixer, and one around the Wednesday lunch: https://www.openstack.org/summit/shanghai-2019/summit-schedule/events/24417/ https://www.openstack.org/summit/shanghai-2019/summit-schedule/events/24426/... OpenStack PTLs, TC members, core reviewers, UC members interested in meeting the local community are all welcome. We'll also have leaders from the other OSF-supported projects around. See you there! -- Thierry Carrez (ttx)
Hi Thierry, I think it’s interesting idea. Should we somehow sign up to this even (one or both, depends on which we plan to be) to let people know that PTL of specific project will be available there? Or it’s just enough to come there when will be time for that? Also, is it expected from project leaders to be available on both terms or only one is enough?
On 3 Oct 2019, at 12:24, Thierry Carrez <thierry@openstack.org> wrote:
Hi everyone,
The summit is going to mainland China for the first time. It's a great opportunity to meet the Chinese community, make ourselves available for direct discussion, and on-board new team members.
In order to facilitate that, the TC has been suggesting that the Foundation organizes two opportunities to "meet the project leaders" during the Summit in Shanghai: one around the Monday evening marketplace mixer, and one around the Wednesday lunch:
https://www.openstack.org/summit/shanghai-2019/summit-schedule/events/24417/ https://www.openstack.org/summit/shanghai-2019/summit-schedule/events/24426/...
OpenStack PTLs, TC members, core reviewers, UC members interested in meeting the local community are all welcome. We'll also have leaders from the other OSF-supported projects around.
See you there!
-- Thierry Carrez (ttx)
— Slawek Kaplonski Senior software engineer Red Hat
Slawek Kaplonski wrote:
I think it’s interesting idea. Should we somehow sign up to this even (one or both, depends on which we plan to be) to let people know that PTL of specific project will be available there? Or it’s just enough to come there when will be time for that?
It would be good to have a rough idea of who will be available at each opportunity. To keep it simple, I created a sign-up sheet at: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/meet-the-project-leaders
Also, is it expected from project leaders to be available on both terms or only one is enough?
You can do one or both (or none) -- no commitment. -- Thierry
It would be good to have a rough idea of who will be available at each opportunity. To keep it simple, I created a sign-up sheet at:
If a PTL will not be present, is it acceptable to send a delegate? efried .
On 2019-10-04 12:52:34 -0500 (-0500), Eric Fried wrote:
It would be good to have a rough idea of who will be available at each opportunity. To keep it simple, I created a sign-up sheet at:
If a PTL will not be present, is it acceptable to send a delegate?
The goal, as I understand it, is to reinforce to attendees in China that OpenStack project leadership is accessible and achievable, by providing opportunities for them to be able to meet and speak in-person with a representative cross-section of our community leaders. Is that something which can be delegated? Seems to me it might convey the opposite of what's intended, but I don't know if my impression is shared by others. -- Jeremy Stanley
---- On Fri, 04 Oct 2019 13:07:12 -0500 Jeremy Stanley <fungi@yuggoth.org> wrote ----
On 2019-10-04 12:52:34 -0500 (-0500), Eric Fried wrote:
It would be good to have a rough idea of who will be available at each opportunity. To keep it simple, I created a sign-up sheet at:
If a PTL will not be present, is it acceptable to send a delegate?
The goal, as I understand it, is to reinforce to attendees in China that OpenStack project leadership is accessible and achievable, by providing opportunities for them to be able to meet and speak in-person with a representative cross-section of our community leaders. Is that something which can be delegated? Seems to me it might convey the opposite of what's intended, but I don't know if my impression is shared by others.
IMO, it should be ok to delegate to other Core of that project. the main idea here is to interact with Chinese communities and help new contributors to onboard or just convey them 'if you are interested in this project, I am here to talk to you'. I think it will be more useful sessions if we have more local Core members also along with PTLs which will solve the cultural or language barrier if any. -gmann
-- Jeremy Stanley
On Fri, 2019-10-04 at 18:07 +0000, Jeremy Stanley wrote:
On 2019-10-04 12:52:34 -0500 (-0500), Eric Fried wrote:
It would be good to have a rough idea of who will be available at each opportunity. To keep it simple, I created a sign-up sheet at:
If a PTL will not be present, is it acceptable to send a delegate?
The goal, as I understand it, is to reinforce to attendees in China that OpenStack project leadership is accessible and achievable, by providing opportunities for them to be able to meet and speak in-person with a representative cross-section of our community leaders. Is that something which can be delegated? Seems to me it might convey the opposite of what's intended, but I don't know if my impression is shared by others.
That was indeed my intention with the initial idea proposal. Conceptually, the meetup would be to break down any preconceived notions that individuals may have. Of course, that isn't to say that there aren't many leaders in the community that don't hold an _official_ position. It's mostly to put a face to a name, to create open communication channels. I'd say it's up the the team's discretion as to whether or not they'd like to delegate the presence at this meetup. This meetup is not compulsory for anyone, so if you can't go, and can't delegate, that is also fine. -- Alexandra Settle <a.settle@outlook.com> IRC: asettle
On 2019-10-07 08:40:01 +0000 (+0000), Alexandra Settle wrote:
On Fri, 2019-10-04 at 18:07 +0000, Jeremy Stanley wrote:
On 2019-10-04 12:52:34 -0500 (-0500), Eric Fried wrote: [...]
If a PTL will not be present, is it acceptable to send a delegate?
The goal, as I understand it, is to reinforce to attendees in China that OpenStack project leadership is accessible and achievable, by providing opportunities for them to be able to meet and speak in-person with a representative cross-section of our community leaders. Is that something which can be delegated? Seems to me it might convey the opposite of what's intended, but I don't know if my impression is shared by others.
That was indeed my intention with the initial idea proposal. Conceptually, the meetup would be to break down any preconceived notions that individuals may have.
Of course, that isn't to say that there aren't many leaders in the community that don't hold an _official_ position. It's mostly to put a face to a name, to create open communication channels. I'd say it's up the the team's discretion as to whether or not they'd like to delegate the presence at this meetup.
Of course, I should have clarified. I think providing folks the opportunity to meet and speak with a Nova core reviewer is great. It's definitely a type of leadership we prize highly in our community and want to encourage more of. Being "the person who showed up on behalf of the Nova PTL because they're not present" doesn't really make the Nova PTL position any more approachable on the other hand. If anything, it seems to me that it might reinforce the impression it's a distant and unachievable position.
This meetup is not compulsory for anyone, so if you can't go, and can't delegate, that is also fine.
Yep, I think having a variety of different sorts of community leaders present is what's needed, it doesn't have to (and realistically, probably can't anyway?) involve every one of the ~hundred teams, SIGs, and other organized groups within the community. -- Jeremy Stanley
On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 6:40 AM Jeremy Stanley <fungi@yuggoth.org> wrote:
On 2019-10-07 08:40:01 +0000 (+0000), Alexandra Settle wrote:
On Fri, 2019-10-04 at 18:07 +0000, Jeremy Stanley wrote:
On 2019-10-04 12:52:34 -0500 (-0500), Eric Fried wrote: [...]
If a PTL will not be present, is it acceptable to send a delegate?
The goal, as I understand it, is to reinforce to attendees in China that OpenStack project leadership is accessible and achievable, by providing opportunities for them to be able to meet and speak in-person with a representative cross-section of our community leaders. Is that something which can be delegated? Seems to me it might convey the opposite of what's intended, but I don't know if my impression is shared by others.
That was indeed my intention with the initial idea proposal. Conceptually, the meetup would be to break down any preconceived notions that individuals may have.
Of course, that isn't to say that there aren't many leaders in the community that don't hold an _official_ position. It's mostly to put a face to a name, to create open communication channels. I'd say it's up the the team's discretion as to whether or not they'd like to delegate the presence at this meetup.
Of course, I should have clarified. I think providing folks the opportunity to meet and speak with a Nova core reviewer is great. It's definitely a type of leadership we prize highly in our community and want to encourage more of. Being "the person who showed up on behalf of the Nova PTL because they're not present" doesn't really make the Nova PTL position any more approachable on the other hand. If anything, it seems to me that it might reinforce the impression it's a distant and unachievable position.
Sure hope it doesn't. I support the concept behind this and would love to be there, but cannot, because I'm unable to travel to Shanghai. Many of the PTL-driven tasks at the event for Manila have been delegated to project maintainers that are attending. I would like to find a suitable lead for this too, along with encouraging all core reviewers that are in attendance to be part of these events: the mixer and the lunch.
This meetup is not compulsory for anyone, so if you can't go, and can't delegate, that is also fine.
Yep, I think having a variety of different sorts of community leaders present is what's needed, it doesn't have to (and realistically, probably can't anyway?) involve every one of the ~hundred teams, SIGs, and other organized groups within the community. -- Jeremy Stanley
Eric Fried wrote:
It would be good to have a rough idea of who will be available at each opportunity. To keep it simple, I created a sign-up sheet at:
If a PTL will not be present, is it acceptable to send a delegate?
Sure! The goal is to provide an opportunity for the Chinese community to meet project team members, not to make it an exclusive event. Anyone's welcome. + we should use those opportunities to promote the on-boarding sessions which will happen later in the week. -- Thierry
On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 6:29 PM Thierry Carrez <thierry@openstack.org> wrote:
OpenStack PTLs, TC members, core reviewers, UC members interested in meeting the local community are all welcome. We'll also have leaders from the other OSF-supported projects around.
Is it possible to include SIG chairs as well? I think it is a good opportunity for people to meet SIGs and SIGs to find people and project teams too.
Thierry Carrez (ttx)
-- May The Force of OpenStack Be With You, Rico Lin irc: ricolin
Rico Lin wrote:
On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 6:29 PM Thierry Carrez <thierry@openstack.org <mailto:thierry@openstack.org>> wrote:
OpenStack PTLs, TC members, core reviewers, UC members interested in meeting the local community are all welcome. We'll also have leaders from the other OSF-supported projects around.
Is it possible to include SIG chairs as well? I think it is a good opportunity for people to meet SIGs and SIGs to find people and project teams too.
Yes, of course (see my other response for rationale). -- Thierry Carrez (ttx)
participants (8)
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Alexandra Settle
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Eric Fried
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Ghanshyam Mann
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Goutham Pacha Ravi
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Jeremy Stanley
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Rico Lin
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Slawek Kaplonski
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Thierry Carrez