[openstack-helm] List of the current meeting times, and opinion on adjustment
Hi
In PTG, I have put as one of agenda during openstack-helm PTG session, and it was then discussed during the Airship PTG session. The reason is, to encourage current/potential contributors from my region to show up at these community meetings, a little bit more preferable time would be great.
(from https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/airship-ptg-train)
- Meeting times
- Use https://everytimezone.com/
- There is no good time for everyone - lots of folks west coast, europe, asia
- Compromise -- two meeting times on same day, separated ~10 hours apart or some such
- Outcome: +1
- use https://everytimezone.com/ to come up with a few options, including single meetings per week and multiple
- Let people vote on it in the patchset to change the meeting time
- Note: OSH to do something similar
In reality, there are many people who are attending both openstack-helm and Airship meeting. I also totally agree with Pete (PTL) that it makes sense to ensure the meeting time for both projects work together. Therefore, FYI, here is the summary of meeting times for both Airship and OpenStack-Helm
Here is the current Airship Meeting Time
- Airship Design Call (Twice a Week untill airship 2.0 design settled) - Tuesday (1.5h) : 13:00 UTC (09:00 AM EST / 06:00 AM PST / 13:00 CEST / 22:00 Korea) - Thursday (1.5 h) : 15:00 UTC (11:00 AM EST / 08:00 AM PST / 15:00 CEST / 00:00 AM Korea Friday) - Airship Weekly IRC Meeting - Tuesday (1h) : 16:00 UTC (12:00 PM EST / 09:00 AM PST / 16:00 CEST / 01:00 AM Korea Wednesday)
Current OpenStack-Helm Meeting Time
- OSH Weekly IRC Meeting - Tuesday (1h) : 15:00 UTC (11:00 AM EST / 08:00 AM PST / 15:00 CEST / 00:00 AM Korea Friday)
Now we have all the meeting time listed here in this email. I would like to discuss possible available options for the adjustment.
I will start!. Here is my opinion. For me, first of all, 13:00 UTC (10PM) or 14:00 UTC (11PM) would be the reasonable time to have a weekly meetings (I am living in Korea). Current 15:00 UTC (midnight) is a bit difficult time to regularly attend the weekly meeting. It also make me difficult to ask someone else from my region to attend the meeting.
Secondly, as mentioned during PTG, having two meetings on the same day will also be an option. Personally, I concern that having two meetings will put somewhat heavy burden on PTL and core reviewers.
PLEASE share your opinion on possible options for meeting time. Thanks you.
Sadly, there is no magic with timezones :( I am fine with your proposal though.
I believe that there could be another way: - If a conversation needs to happen "synchronously", we could use the office hours for that. The office hours are timezone alternated IIRC, but not yet "officialized" (they are not appearing in [1]). - Bring conversations that need to happen asynchronously over the ML. - Discuss/Decide things in reviews.
That's technically totally workable globally, but it needs a change in mindset. It's also most likely people will get less active on IRC, which will impact the way we "feel" as a community.
Regards, Jean-Philippe Evrard
[1]: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#OpenStack-Helm_Team_Meeting
On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 12:05 AM Jean-Philippe Evrard < jean-philippe@evrard.me> wrote:
Sadly, there is no magic with timezones :( I am fine with your proposal though.
True, there is really no magic with timezones, especially it involves everyone in the earth.
I believe that there could be another way:
- If a conversation needs to happen "synchronously", we could use the
office hours for that. The office hours are timezone alternated IIRC, but not yet "officialized" (they are not appearing in [1]).
- Bring conversations that need to happen asynchronously over the ML.
- Discuss/Decide things in reviews.
I do like your idea. Bringing asynchronous conversation actively to ML and reviews. If one think posting on ML or writing reviews has an equal effect as talking directly to someone in weekly irc meeting, it would give good alternative way.
I did not think of using official hours as a sort of irc meeting for people in different timezone. However, I guess it cloud be done.
That's technically totally workable globally, but it needs a change in mindset. It's also most likely people will get less active on IRC, which will impact the way we "feel" as a community.
True, "feel" part is sometimes a very important factor for people. I think that being part of "official" activity is sometimes important not only for effective communication but also for "feeling" that I am part of community. Being able to attend "official" weekly meeting without too much effort (e.g. keep your eye open till midnight) is an weapon for me to bring more people into the community.
I suppose we can do both. 1) Trying to find if it is possible to have a slightly better official meeting time slot for Asian region 2) Discussing on more leveraging asynchronous way of communication and its effect on the community.
Thank you for the insightful feedback. :)
Regards, Jean-Philippe Evrard
*Jaesuk Ahn*, Ph.D. Software Labs, SK Telecom
On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 8:42 AM Jaesuk Ahn bluejay.ahn@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 12:05 AM Jean-Philippe Evrard < jean-philippe@evrard.me> wrote:
Sadly, there is no magic with timezones :( I am fine with your proposal though.
True, there is really no magic with timezones, especially it involves everyone in the earth.
I believe that there could be another way:
- If a conversation needs to happen "synchronously", we could use the
office hours for that. The office hours are timezone alternated IIRC, but not yet "officialized" (they are not appearing in [1]).
- Bring conversations that need to happen asynchronously over the ML.
- Discuss/Decide things in reviews.
I do like your idea. Bringing asynchronous conversation actively to ML and reviews. If one think posting on ML or writing reviews has an equal effect as talking directly to someone in weekly irc meeting, it would give good alternative way.
I did not think of using official hours as a sort of irc meeting for people in different timezone. However, I guess it cloud be done.
That's technically totally workable globally, but it needs a change in mindset. It's also most likely people will get less active on IRC, which will impact the way we "feel" as a community.
True, "feel" part is sometimes a very important factor for people. I think that being part of "official" activity is sometimes important not only for effective communication but also for "feeling" that I am part of community. Being able to attend "official" weekly meeting without too much effort (e.g. keep your eye open till midnight) is an weapon for me to bring more people into the community.
I suppose we can do both.
- Trying to find if it is possible to have a slightly better official
meeting time slot for Asian region 2) Discussing on more leveraging asynchronous way of communication and its effect on the community.
Thank you for the insightful feedback. :)
Regards, Jean-Philippe Evrard
-- *Jaesuk Ahn*, Ph.D. Software R&D Center, SK Telecom
+1 Trying to find if it is possible to have a slightly better official meeting time slot for Asian region
Thanks, Cheng
From: Jaesuk Ahn [mailto:bluejay.ahn@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2019 7:42 AM To: Jean-Philippe Evrard jean-philippe@evrard.me Cc: openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-helm] List of the current meeting times, and opinion on adjustment
On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 12:05 AM Jean-Philippe Evrard <jean-philippe@evrard.memailto:jean-philippe@evrard.me> wrote: Sadly, there is no magic with timezones :( I am fine with your proposal though.
True, there is really no magic with timezones, especially it involves everyone in the earth.
I believe that there could be another way: - If a conversation needs to happen "synchronously", we could use the office hours for that. The office hours are timezone alternated IIRC, but not yet "officialized" (they are not appearing in [1]). - Bring conversations that need to happen asynchronously over the ML. - Discuss/Decide things in reviews.
I do like your idea. Bringing asynchronous conversation actively to ML and reviews. If one think posting on ML or writing reviews has an equal effect as talking directly to someone in weekly irc meeting, it would give good alternative way.
I did not think of using official hours as a sort of irc meeting for people in different timezone. However, I guess it cloud be done.
That's technically totally workable globally, but it needs a change in mindset. It's also most likely people will get less active on IRC, which will impact the way we "feel" as a community.
True, "feel" part is sometimes a very important factor for people. I think that being part of "official" activity is sometimes important not only for effective communication but also for "feeling" that I am part of community. Being able to attend "official" weekly meeting without too much effort (e.g. keep your eye open till midnight) is an weapon for me to bring more people into the community.
I suppose we can do both. 1) Trying to find if it is possible to have a slightly better official meeting time slot for Asian region 2) Discussing on more leveraging asynchronous way of communication and its effect on the community.
Thank you for the insightful feedback. :)
Regards, Jean-Philippe Evrard
[1]: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#OpenStack-Helm_Team_Meeting
-- Jaesuk Ahn, Ph.D. Software R&D Center, SK Telecom
participants (3)
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Jaesuk Ahn
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Jean-Philippe Evrard
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Li, Cheng1