Last week the discussion came up of splitting the ironic meeting to alternate time zones as we have increasing numbers of contributors in the Asia/Pacific areas of the world[0]. With that discussion, an additional interesting question came up posing the question of shifting to the mailing list instead of our present IRC meeting[1]? It is definitely an interesting idea, one that I'm personally keen on because of time zones and daylight savings time. I think before we do this, we should collect thoughts and also try to determine how we would pull this off so we don't forget the weekly checkpoint that the meeting serves. I think we need to do something, so I guess now is a good time to provide input into what everyone thinks would be best for the project and facilitating the weekly check-in. What I think might work: By EOD UTC Monday: * Listed primary effort participants will be expected to update the whiteboard[2] weekly before EOD Monday UTC * Contributors propose patches to the whiteboard that they believe would be important for reviewers to examine this coming week. * PTL or designee sends weekly email to the mailing list to start an update thread shortly after EOD Monday UTC or early Tuesday UTC. ** Additional updates, questions, and topical discussion (new features, RFEs) would ideally be wrapped up by EOD UTC Tuesday. With that, I think we would also need to go ahead and begin having "office hours" as during the week we generally know some ironic contributors will be in IRC and able to respond to questions. I think this would initially consist of our meeting time and perhaps the other time that seems to be most friendly to the contributors int he Asia/Pacific area[3]. Thoughts/ideas/suggestions welcome! -Julia [0]: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-ironic/%23openstack-iron... [1]: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-ironic/%23openstack-iron... [2]: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard [3]: https://doodle.com/poll/bv9a4qyqy44wiq92
I think replacing the IRC meeting with an "ML meeting" + IRC office hours is an interesting idea to try, +1 On 6/10/19 4:01 PM, Julia Kreger wrote:
Last week the discussion came up of splitting the ironic meeting to alternate time zones as we have increasing numbers of contributors in the Asia/Pacific areas of the world[0]. With that discussion, an additional interesting question came up posing the question of shifting to the mailing list instead of our present IRC meeting[1]?
It is definitely an interesting idea, one that I'm personally keen on because of time zones and daylight savings time.
I think before we do this, we should collect thoughts and also try to determine how we would pull this off so we don't forget the weekly checkpoint that the meeting serves. I think we need to do something, so I guess now is a good time to provide input into what everyone thinks would be best for the project and facilitating the weekly check-in.
What I think might work:
By EOD UTC Monday:
* Listed primary effort participants will be expected to update the whiteboard[2] weekly before EOD Monday UTC * Contributors propose patches to the whiteboard that they believe would be important for reviewers to examine this coming week. * PTL or designee sends weekly email to the mailing list to start an update thread shortly after EOD Monday UTC or early Tuesday UTC. ** Additional updates, questions, and topical discussion (new features, RFEs) would ideally be wrapped up by EOD UTC Tuesday.
With that, I think we would also need to go ahead and begin having "office hours" as during the week we generally know some ironic contributors will be in IRC and able to respond to questions. I think this would initially consist of our meeting time and perhaps the other time that seems to be most friendly to the contributors int he Asia/Pacific area[3].
Thoughts/ideas/suggestions welcome!
-Julia
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On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 10:02 AM Julia Kreger <juliaashleykreger@gmail.com> wrote:
Last week the discussion came up of splitting the ironic meeting to alternate time zones as we have increasing numbers of contributors in the Asia/Pacific areas of the world[0]. With that discussion, an additional interesting question came up posing the question of shifting to the mailing list instead of our present IRC meeting[1]?
I like it overall, some comments below.
It is definitely an interesting idea, one that I'm personally keen on because of time zones and daylight savings time.
I think before we do this, we should collect thoughts and also try to determine how we would pull this off so we don't forget the weekly checkpoint that the meeting serves. I think we need to do something, so I guess now is a good time to provide input into what everyone thinks would be best for the project and facilitating the weekly check-in.
What I think might work:
By EOD UTC Monday:
* Listed primary effort participants will be expected to update the whiteboard[2] weekly before EOD Monday UTC
Good, but I hope they will just strive to keep it up to date.
* Contributors propose patches to the whiteboard that they believe would be important for reviewers to examine this coming week.
Ditto!
* PTL or designee sends weekly email to the mailing list to start an update thread shortly after EOD Monday UTC or early Tuesday UTC.
Awesome, this is useful with or without an IRC meeting.
** Additional updates, questions, and topical discussion (new features, RFEs) would ideally be wrapped up by EOD UTC Tuesday.
I'd much prefer these things don't wait for the weekly update. Just send the email! :)
With that, I think we would also need to go ahead and begin having "office hours" as during the week we generally know some ironic contributors will be in IRC and able to respond to questions. I think this would initially consist of our meeting time and perhaps the other time that seems to be most friendly to the contributors int he Asia/Pacific area[3].
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Thoughts/ideas/suggestions welcome!
-Julia
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I think this is a great idea (or should I say - set of ideas) which goes beyond making the weekly meeting work for us APAC peeps. I think with this approach we will likely achieve better responsiveness and flexibility overall. I look forward to trying this out. Thank you Julia. On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 12:06 AM Julia Kreger <juliaashleykreger@gmail.com> wrote:
Last week the discussion came up of splitting the ironic meeting to alternate time zones as we have increasing numbers of contributors in the Asia/Pacific areas of the world[0]. With that discussion, an additional interesting question came up posing the question of shifting to the mailing list instead of our present IRC meeting[1]?
It is definitely an interesting idea, one that I'm personally keen on because of time zones and daylight savings time.
I think before we do this, we should collect thoughts and also try to determine how we would pull this off so we don't forget the weekly checkpoint that the meeting serves. I think we need to do something, so I guess now is a good time to provide input into what everyone thinks would be best for the project and facilitating the weekly check-in.
What I think might work:
By EOD UTC Monday:
* Listed primary effort participants will be expected to update the whiteboard[2] weekly before EOD Monday UTC * Contributors propose patches to the whiteboard that they believe would be important for reviewers to examine this coming week. * PTL or designee sends weekly email to the mailing list to start an update thread shortly after EOD Monday UTC or early Tuesday UTC. ** Additional updates, questions, and topical discussion (new features, RFEs) would ideally be wrapped up by EOD UTC Tuesday.
With that, I think we would also need to go ahead and begin having "office hours" as during the week we generally know some ironic contributors will be in IRC and able to respond to questions. I think this would initially consist of our meeting time and perhaps the other time that seems to be most friendly to the contributors int he Asia/Pacific area[3].
Thoughts/ideas/suggestions welcome!
-Julia
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+1 to the idea. It will help achieve flexibility. Regards, Madhuri From: Jacob Anders [mailto:jacob.anders.au@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 3:47 PM To: Julia Kreger <juliaashleykreger@gmail.com> Cc: openstack-discuss <openstack-discuss@lists.openstack.org> Subject: Re: [ironic] To not have meetings? I think this is a great idea (or should I say - set of ideas) which goes beyond making the weekly meeting work for us APAC peeps. I think with this approach we will likely achieve better responsiveness and flexibility overall. I look forward to trying this out. Thank you Julia. On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 12:06 AM Julia Kreger <juliaashleykreger@gmail.com<mailto:juliaashleykreger@gmail.com>> wrote: Last week the discussion came up of splitting the ironic meeting to alternate time zones as we have increasing numbers of contributors in the Asia/Pacific areas of the world[0]. With that discussion, an additional interesting question came up posing the question of shifting to the mailing list instead of our present IRC meeting[1]? It is definitely an interesting idea, one that I'm personally keen on because of time zones and daylight savings time. I think before we do this, we should collect thoughts and also try to determine how we would pull this off so we don't forget the weekly checkpoint that the meeting serves. I think we need to do something, so I guess now is a good time to provide input into what everyone thinks would be best for the project and facilitating the weekly check-in. What I think might work: By EOD UTC Monday: * Listed primary effort participants will be expected to update the whiteboard[2] weekly before EOD Monday UTC * Contributors propose patches to the whiteboard that they believe would be important for reviewers to examine this coming week. * PTL or designee sends weekly email to the mailing list to start an update thread shortly after EOD Monday UTC or early Tuesday UTC. ** Additional updates, questions, and topical discussion (new features, RFEs) would ideally be wrapped up by EOD UTC Tuesday. With that, I think we would also need to go ahead and begin having "office hours" as during the week we generally know some ironic contributors will be in IRC and able to respond to questions. I think this would initially consist of our meeting time and perhaps the other time that seems to be most friendly to the contributors int he Asia/Pacific area[3]. Thoughts/ideas/suggestions welcome! -Julia [0]: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-ironic/%23openstack-iron... [1]: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-ironic/%23openstack-iron... [2]: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard [3]: https://doodle.com/poll/bv9a4qyqy44wiq92
On Mon, 10 Jun 2019 at 15:02, Julia Kreger <juliaashleykreger@gmail.com> wrote:
Last week the discussion came up of splitting the ironic meeting to alternate time zones as we have increasing numbers of contributors in the Asia/Pacific areas of the world[0]. With that discussion, an additional interesting question came up posing the question of shifting to the mailing list instead of our present IRC meeting[1]?
It is definitely an interesting idea, one that I'm personally keen on because of time zones and daylight savings time.
I think before we do this, we should collect thoughts and also try to determine how we would pull this off so we don't forget the weekly checkpoint that the meeting serves. I think we need to do something, so I guess now is a good time to provide input into what everyone thinks would be best for the project and facilitating the weekly check-in.
What I think might work:
By EOD UTC Monday:
* Listed primary effort participants will be expected to update the whiteboard[2] weekly before EOD Monday UTC * Contributors propose patches to the whiteboard that they believe would be important for reviewers to examine this coming week. * PTL or designee sends weekly email to the mailing list to start an update thread shortly after EOD Monday UTC or early Tuesday UTC. ** Additional updates, questions, and topical discussion (new features, RFEs) would ideally be wrapped up by EOD UTC Tuesday.
With that, I think we would also need to go ahead and begin having "office hours" as during the week we generally know some ironic contributors will be in IRC and able to respond to questions. I think this would initially consist of our meeting time and perhaps the other time that seems to be most friendly to the contributors int he Asia/Pacific area[3].
Thoughts/ideas/suggestions welcome!
I'm interested to see how it would work. I do sometimes have other commitments that mean I can't attend a meeting, and having a way not just to catch up but get involved would be nice. The main risks that I can see are that it could stifle discussion through latency of email, and it could be a little less accessible than IRC.
-Julia
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participants (6)
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Dmitry Tantsur
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Jacob Anders
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Jim Rollenhagen
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Julia Kreger
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Kumari, Madhuri
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Mark Goddard