Hi all, I'd like to bring the conversation to a wider audience as the current state is really not sustainable. Since I've got involved with Telemetry project early this year, I honestly think our gates have been blocked more than not and most of that has been due to requirements bumps where the dependencies break backwards compatibility and that is not obvious, like major version bump (pyparsing being the current example [0] [1]), or are just not tested before bumped (like the recent Sphinx/WSME episode [2]). While I do recognize Dr. Harbott's concerns around gnocchi [1] I'd like to point out that a) it's still currently our only supported time series database for metrics and b) providing alternative solution has not been an exactly smooth road either [3]. Unfortunately gnocchi is still very tightly coupled in our Telemetry testing (something I'm working on) and not having an operational gate makes it very difficult to even work on those tests across the Aodh and Telemetry-tempest-plugin repos. We have been capping and blacklisting broken dependencies for years, so I'd like to hear what has changed recently so that we do not care anymore but prefer "the latest" over the "latest working". In my understanding the upper constraints was supposed to be "the latest dependencies you can stand up a functional and working cloud with" not "the latest dependencies existing regardless of what they break". Back to Dr. Harbott's remarks of gnocchi being an acceptable requirement [1], without a working gate we cannot even deprecate it. And yet we would need an appropriate deprecation period before removing it. Should we be forced to rip out our only TS database (gnocchi) to be able to focus on developing support for the alternative (Prometheus) I would really like to see TC resolution for this so we can point the impacted users to it, avoiding all the blame falling to the Telemetry project team. I would also like to see the Telemetry job being in the Requirements gate so we get warnings when something is about to break, rather than a jammed gate because of an upper constraints bump. Thanks, Erno "jokke" Kuvaja [0] https://github.com/pyparsing/pyparsing/issues/504 [1] https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/requirements/+/898699 [2] https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/requirements/+/896018 [3] https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/requirements/+/891291